Name a country that has better food than England

[u/downtune79]

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[u/Straight_Depth6701]

Fish and chips are your only true contribution to culinary history.

It's not like you have no good food. Yorkshire pudding is amazing, a full breakfast is great(except black sausage, ick).

The problem is that your bad food is so bad. The only proper curry you have isn't British. Your regional food like haggis is a joke. And you have "food" called dog's body, boiled baby, and spotted dick.

What the fuck do you expect the rest of the world to think?

[u/spannerfish2 → u/Straight_Depth6701]

No idea what boiled baby or dogs body are. And I've lived here for 50 years. Spotted dick is a thing, although not had it for years o-er.

But have you ever had proper cawl (lamb and veg soup) and crusty bread after a long hike in the Brecon Beacons? Or freshly caught dressed crab in Cromer? What about real cornish double cream icecream on the harbour wall in Mousehole?

And btw British Asian food has been a Friday/Saturday main stay since the 60s but the first mention of curry anywhere was in an English cooking book in something like 1750.

Tell me though, do you think Katsu Curry is not Japanese?

Edit: spelling because my phone is twat

[u/Straight_Depth6701 → u/spannerfish2]

Let's go in order.

Boiled baby and dogs body (along with a lot of other disgusting names) are fat pudding. Like mostly fat.

Have had it, not an original British dish. If you think nobody made a lamb and veg soup before, your delusional.

I live in Washington, there's no fresh caught crab that can compare to Dungeness.

Curry came from India, you dumb twat.

Katsu is Japanese. The curry is Indian. Neither are British, and India never should have been. Fuck colonialism and cultural appropriation. Which, factually, are both British.

[u/triz___ → u/Straight_Depth6701]

“Do you think nobody made a lamb and veg soup before!!!?? Also breaded chicken is Japanese”

🙃

[u/Straight_Depth6701 → u/triz___]

I'm Japanese. Panko breaded cutlet is a Japanese dish. It originated in WW2 and was invented in japan because of food shortages.

You have so many opinions and none of them are based on fact.

Any of my other factual statements you want to embarras yourself about?

[u/Team503 → u/Straight_Depth6701]

You're Japanese? I thought you lived in Washington - are you a first generation immigrant? If not, then you're a Japanese-American, which everyone on the planet otherwise would just call "American".

Oh, and katsu curry was the result of the British Navy's influence, and it came about way before WW2. It was restaurants in Tokyo trying to appeal to Western businessmen and sailors adapting what they knew of Western food traditions. Curry was a regular part of the British Naval menu because it introduced thiamine, and thiamine deficiency disease was an ongoing problem for them at the time.

https://beyond-nippon.medium.com/katsu-currys-round-trip-from-britain-to-japan-and-back-c33c1edf8f05

[u/Straight_Depth6701 → u/Team503]

Someone can respect their heritage, no matter where they live. You're obviously as white as the driven snow, so you don't have to think about things like this.

[u/Team503 → u/Straight_Depth6701]

I’m an immigrant who moved halfway across the planet in search of a better life. Assume what you please. You can avoid the point as much as you like, but that doesn’t stop it from being there.

[u/therealhankypanky → u/Straight_Depth6701]

It seems like your position on what counts as a national/cultural food is pretty inconsistent

We can agree that Katsu is a Japanese food. But it is originally an adaptation of French cuisine (also, earlier than WW2).

On the other hand you say that the UK’s only proper curry isn’t British.. which ignores dishes like Phall (a British interpretation of Bangladeshi food) and Tikka Masala (interpreted of Indian food), and what most westerners would know as Vindaloo (adapted from Goan cuisine which was itself heavily influenced by Portugal). All of these which were British inventions. All have been around in the UK about as long as Katsu in Japan.

If Katsu is Japanese (which we agree on), how is it the case these curries are not British?

[u/Straight_Depth6701 → u/therealhankypanky]

Because curry, as a term and a dish, is inherently Indian. You can colonialize the world, but you can't claim that you discovered what they had.

[u/therealhankypanky → u/Straight_Depth6701]

Okay but then by that same logic, Katsu can’t be Japanese. The word Katsu is derived from the Japanese loan word for cutlet. It’s a Japanese modification of a French dish. Hell, the concept of bread was introduced to Japan by the Portuguese so without them, Panko wouldn’t exist - a necessary ingredient for Katsu. Without borrowing from Western food canon Japanese Katsu doesn’t exist.

Nobody is saying all curries are British, nor are they claiming that the British discovered curry. But you are applying wildly inconsistent standards to what can and cannot be said to be a national/cultural food.

Your view is also kind of restrictive in the way it completely ignores how food culture travels, intermingles, and evolves. There are countless examples of foods originating in one country becoming something new in another and becoming a part of that places food.

[u/Straight_Depth6701 → u/therealhankypanky]

So you're saying that if I put salt in any dish it makes it the recipe of the first human who licked a salty rock.

Katsu is a Japanese invention. Curry is an Indian invention. If you can't see that then you're blind.

[u/therealhankypanky → u/Straight_Depth6701]

That’s not what I’m saying at all and I think you know that.

My point has very clearly been that a particular dish can be said to be a nation’s/culture’s food despite the dish being inspired, influenced, or adapted from another nation’s/culture’s cuisine.
I’m saying Katsu is Japanese. Specific curries (eg Tikka Masala) are British based on the same logic.

You seem to be determined to misinterpret what is being said, and arguing in bad faith. There doesn’t seem to be a point trying to engage with you. I’d say it’s been a blast … but it hasn’t.

[u/triz___ → u/Straight_Depth6701]

I wrote one short sentence and mocked one statement you made. Are you high or just really really upset?

[u/triz___ → u/[deleted]]

Crazy I bet nobody else had ever done that before 😂

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[u/spannerfish2 → u/Straight_Depth6701]

So pizza isn't American then? You are arguing for arguments sake and, having to revert to name calling shows you're aren't very good at it either

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And you have zero irony

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