r/MadeMeSmile • • 7d ago

Good Vibes When Margot Robbie noticed a fan was hearing impaired, she switched to sign language to chat with him

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u/coffee_ape 7d ago

Deaf culture is a trip. Because you have degrees of deafness, on top of that, you have pride. A sense of pride and community for not getting the cochlear implant, you retain your identity. I have family members that are deaf and I’m an honorary coda kid.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms 7d ago edited 7d ago

It bugs me, to be honest. I'm effectively deaf (without hearing aids) since childhood, and it sucks. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I can't grok the whole identity aspect of it, or the attitude among some that it's wrong to cure deafness. It feels like a very weird form of cope to me. 

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u/EveningAnt3949 7d ago

Agree about curing deafness is a good thing. As for identity, I'm not deaf or hearing impaired, but sign language is fascinating to me. I can understand that peopel who are fluent in sign language want to preserve that part and think of it as part of their identity.

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u/E-2theRescue 7d ago

I'm 50/50 on treating deafness.

It's kind of a weird thing. Where hearing is a blessing, being deaf is a curse - where hearing is a curse, being deaf is a blessing.

Neighbor kids screaming? Being deaf is a blessing, having hearing is a curse.

Your own kid screaming? Having hearing is a blessing, being deaf is a curse.

Construction next door? Having hearing is a curse, being deaf is a blessing.

Walking past an active construction site? Having hearing is a blessing, being deaf is a curse.

It's such a weird thing the more you think about it.

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u/johnyordinary 7d ago

Using an electronic aid would mean you could selectively choose to switch it off , for the plusses like not hearing other peoples kids..

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u/ViaDiva 6d ago

these things suck. you can't filter for that kinda thing and instead everything just sounds extra loud

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u/johnyordinary 6d ago

OFF switch!

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u/EveningAnt3949 7d ago

Buy noise cancelling headphones.

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u/Baroa 6d ago

So proper ANC Headphones can fix all the downsides?

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u/TheOneRatBoyJones 7d ago

Do you have a deaf community? That makes the difference.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms 7d ago

That's probably a big part of it, true. I really never had a community. It likely makes more sense when you're with like-minded people. 

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u/Lord_Borgimus 7d ago

Tribalism is in EVERYTHING it's ridiculous.

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u/bluemax413 7d ago

Survival is a powerful motivator.

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u/MissJoey78 6d ago

Tribalism? What do you mean by this? It’s natural for those who share a language to want to be together.

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u/Lord_Borgimus 6d ago

Oh no, not what I meant. It's the pride they were talking about of refusal on cochlear implants and what not. Not the practicality aspect.

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u/MissJoey78 3d ago

Except hearing aids and implants are not cures. Implants have risks and neither work for a lot of people. They also resent the push for “trying to fix themselves”… adapting to a hearing world. Learning to talk (if possible) gives the hearing person access to them, not the other way around. Lipreading is constant guesswork and exhausting. Practicality is building a community of a shared language rather than trying to assimilate to a world quite inaccessible to them.

It’s a world of hearing people trying to “fix” the deaf person rather than learning sign language for them. Thing is-glasses and Lazik CAN be a cure for those who can’t see. It just doesn’t work that way for those that can’t hear.

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u/DreamweaversGrimoire 2d ago

I dated a scientist who got their PhD in Rochester, which apparently has one of the largest deaf communities in the US. He and I had a really great conversation about the ethics of whether or not I would “cure” my child if they were born deaf and he enlightened me on how people in that community find it to be mutilation or even comparable to the selective genetics breeding program America had for a short period of time trying to end certain mental disabilities or traits (as well as try and staunch the black community). Truly so fascinating that they identify so strongly with their disability that it’s considered ableist and ethically immoral to try and improve it.

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u/coffee_ape 2d ago

You hit the nail right on the head. That’s exactly it, it’s their identity. Hearing people’s thoughts be damned because they are not in the deaf world/community to understand it. It’s not our place. I respect it ethically.

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u/DreamweaversGrimoire 2d ago

Well I’d imagine ignoring other people’s opinions are pretty easy if you’re deaf! Maybe they’re onto something….

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u/MrlemonA 7d ago

There is no pride in refusing a cure/remedy surely. If it makes the problem go away and youre not doing it its basically self inflicted 

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u/Plastic_Squirrel6238 3d ago

As far as I understand, the issue with this way of thinking is that most deaf people don’t think of themself as needing to be fixed, or cured.

Particularly those who were born deaf, they’re not anything less than because of their deafness. It’s just a part of who they are, and a part of their experience of the world. There’s nothing wrong with them as they are.

The problem, insofar as there is one, is that society is not fully accessible to deaf people. For example, in the UK, sign language is only just being added to the available highschool courses.

Furthermore, it’s a mistake to think of hearing aids including cochlear implants as “cures” - they aren’t appropriate for everyone, they can cause pain and discomfort, and overwhelming sensory overload.

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u/MrlemonA 2d ago

Not bothered about wording, or how they see it. Its a loss of a sense, call it what ever you like itll always be better to have it and claiming otherwise is objectively incorrect 

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u/Plastic_Squirrel6238 2d ago

But it’s not a “loss of a sense” if you’ve never had it.

Thats like saying you and I have lost the sense of echolocation - from the perspective of bats and dolphins, we’re lacking there.

From the perspective of birds and bees, we’re lacking the ability to see UV light - is that a loss of a sense too?

Perhaps you want to say deaf people “should” hear because hearing is a human sense. Well, biology isn’t neat and diversity is natural. Deaf people are as human and whole as the rest of us.

There’s absolutely nothing “objective” about the situation. The important thing is to listen to deaf people’s own experiences- and the reality is that a significant portion of the deaf community, particularly those born deaf, are happy, or at least fine, being deaf- but just wish for a more accessible world.

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u/MrlemonA 2d ago

Doesn't matter that you never had it, ofc its a loss. Im not going to agree with you here, there is no gain in pretending having no hearing is a good thing.