r/Music • u/ebradio • 6h ago

article Taylor Swift sparks chart-blocking accusations with new “Patient Zero” alternate versions

https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-sparks-chart-blocking-accusations-with-new-patient-zero-alternate-versions
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u/DynamiteDuck 4h ago

No one becomes a billionaire without loving money first and foremost

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u/Fractal-Infinity 4h ago

Ask yourself, who gave her that money? Did she steal them, did she exploit people? It was unavoidable since The Eras Tour generated so much demand, hence income. She made her money fair and square. Blame the society for allowing that, not her for simply doing her job.

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u/DynamiteDuck 4h ago edited 3h ago

Ask yourself, would me saying that about any other billionaire offend you enough to type all that?

LOL I actually just read all your response now because I certainly didn’t the first time… Did you really just give the Nuremberg defense for fucking Taylor swift?!? LMAO 🤡

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u/Fractal-Infinity 3h ago

Taylor made her money fair and square, what is your problem? Apparently she paid her taxes, she paid her crew very well, etc. What are you expecting her to do, to give up her wealth because you say so? If you were in her position, you would quickly change your tune. Just stop the hypocrisy.

As a matter of fact, she is not sitting on a billion. A large part of her wealth is how much her assets (like her music catalogue) worth in case she is selling them.

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u/emckelvy 2h ago

Yeah, no shit. Elon doesn't literally have a trillion dollars, it's the assets he has that make him worth that much. You can say this about literally any billionaire.

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u/DynamiteDuck 3h ago

Whatever you got to say to make yourself feel better about simping for billionaires. Not the life choice I would make, but you do you

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u/Fractal-Infinity 3h ago edited 3h ago

That's not simping for billionaires, I'm defending what's right. Why would her wealth even bother you? If she didn't steal from you, you should mind your business. Regular people like you and me made her rich. You're crying billionaires are bad. But there is a nuance.

For me it matters how you made your money. And surprise, Taylor Swift made her money only from her music. She didn't steal from anyone. Are you mad because she is so damn successful? That's your problem.

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u/DynamiteDuck 3h ago

Believing billionaires shouldn’t exist full stop and believe if you are one you care about money first and foremost does not mean I’m mad about Taylor Swift, it means I think she’s a bad person and I think you’re a clown for defending her.

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u/Fractal-Infinity 3h ago

I actually agree that billionaires shouldn't exist. That's a society problem. But why blame Taylor for basically getting money from people for her artistic products (albums, merch, show tickets, etc)? Blame the system, not the gamer.

I liked Taylor way before she was a billionaire. Personality wise she is almost unchanged. She is still treating people with respect. She still has some people working for her for almost 2 decades. Nobody working for her ever said anything bad about her. I assume they signed NDA clauses but even then, such clauses didn't prevent the truth from escaping.

I would agree that TS is richer than necessary, but that also gives her room to make substantial donations in the future. She is already giving back to society that made her rich.

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u/BocolateBipped 3h ago

I mean this in good faith but can we lay out the reasons shes bad. I understand she makes pretty mediocre stuff but as far as i can tell she just resells the same shit and people keep buying it. Its not akin to underpaying or exploiting labour which is the usual thing. However I am also severely mentally injured due to a mind phreaking incident last year.

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u/DynamiteDuck 3h ago

Yeah for sure, in my opinion, (and this is fully my opinion, I never once said her being bad is a fact) the gap billion being a successful multimillionaire superstar and billionaire is so massive that to achieve it you have to love and focus on money more than anything else in life. And I fully believe if you love money first, you’re an awful person. I’m not religious but “the love of money is the root of all evil” is like the most poignant shit ever.

I’m not even going to go into all the airplane stuff and how awful that is for the environment or preying on kids with multiple variants and stuff, because that just run of the mill advertising/media stuff, I’m just talking the billionaire level thing. That’s enough for me.

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u/BocolateBipped 3h ago

Fair enough i agree

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u/No-Transition-8375 3h ago

To be fair, she made her money only from her music because she bombed in almost all her attempts to break into the film business. Taylor’s corporate machine knows how to pivot and give her fans apologetics to use in comment sections like this one.

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u/Fractal-Infinity 3h ago

I disagree. Taylor knows she is not an actress but a musician. Her attempts to break into the film business were like a side quest. As a storyteller, she is obviously attracted by the visual side too. That's why she started directing her own music videos. Case in point: Anti-Hero, The Fate of Ophelia, Opalite, Patient Zero. To be honest, these videos look professional and high quality.

Taylor’s corporate machine knows how to pivot and give her fans apologetics to use in comment sections like this one.

That sounds like those conspiracy threads from snark subs. Her fans have their own brains to think for themselves. No Taylor corporate machine ever gave "apologetics" to her fans. That's false and ridiculous. We all see that Taylor made her money from music because that's what she does best.

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u/Fire_Tiger1289 3h ago

She’s still a shitty person

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u/Fractal-Infinity 3h ago

Just your opinion. There are countless facts (not opinions) that prove that she is a nice person. Facts > opinions.

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u/Artistic_Lobster_684 1h ago

there are also countless facts (not opinions) that prove that she is a shitty person. facts>opinions

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u/BeansArePastaSauce 23m ago edited 16m ago

Doing her job?!?! Surgeons do their job, grocer workers do their job, sanitation workers do their job. These services are needed and we need good people doing those jobs. Taylor’s “job” is not needed and no one “needs” her doing it. You make it sound like she’s “just doing her job” as a pediatric oncologist.

And hell yes she exploits people. She created and encourages parasocial relationships with her fans. Many of those fans were/are young girls. They have a deep deep dependency on her to bring community, joy, and meaning into their life & in order to do that (and in order to keep
up and keep status in the fandom), many fans buy whatever and all that she sells. And she knows this. It’s toxic and exploitive.

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u/AliceJane1999 15m ago

A funny comparison since most Americans go bankrupt from having no choice but to pay the surgeons and oncologists hundreds of dollars an hour, not from buying a $20 Taylor Swift album of their own volition.

But I’m of the opinion that of the billionaires, Taylor is one of the least exploitative, with all of her worth coming from her own work or that of well-compensated collaborators and staff.

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u/SNTLY 1h ago

did she exploit people?

Yes. Categorically yes.

It's literally impossible to become a billionaire without someone else being exploited somewhere in the equation.

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u/No-Transition-8375 3h ago

I don’t think she necessarily loves money first and foremost.

I think she loves her parents, but her parents love money first and foremost. So she’s trying to earn enough to get their love. Just one more dollar, one more fan, she’ll be there for sure.

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u/DynamiteDuck 3h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/qz4xtp6tS48b4mjKmB
I was hoping for the Big Lebowski “that’s fucking interesting man. That’s fucking interesting.” But Dennis will have to do