It's also possible that consuming over 100 tablets a day completely fucked his stomach... it wouldn't surprise me if banging as many supplements and vitamins into himself as possible didn't also have some side effects.
Yeah, people on here say he consults with doctors. There is no doctor worth their degree that will recommend you take 100+ supplements daily. Most people with decent diets will have zero deficiencies in vitamins and minerals.
Well, is there a study that shows that taking all 40 provide benefits and there are no side effects from consuming that many compounds a day (not withstanding all the other chemicals they are mixed with, contained in etc)?
No, so, in the name of the experiment that is Bryan Johnson, it's perfectly possible that his experiment with pharmacologically active compounds has side effects: almost all of them do. Sure I'm speculating, but so is anyone who says that it's completely innocent.
They only have benefits if you are deficient in those nutrients. Otherwise, you piss out the extra. Very few people living in the first world are actually deficient in nutrients barring a few typical cases or folks with actual health problems. Also, your chart doesn't talk about benefits. It list what those things do in your body. If you already have those nutrients, more isn't better and is often time detrimental.
All of which is fixed with one simple multivitamin, or better yet, a good diet. Not 40 separate supplements. You will also notice I mentioned a few typical cases so you just regurgitated what I already knew. My problem with this guy isn't what he is trying to do, it's his anti science way of doing it. Suppose he does live a long time. Which supplement did it? You would never know because this is an uncontrolled experiment with hundreds of confounding variables on an N=1 population. Any results would be completely ignored by the scientific community. If he wants results, he should spend his money on actual research using the scientific method. He is a billionaire tech bro who was good at one thing and is deluded into thinking he is the best at everything and is desperatly dumping his body full of a bunch of stuff that could even cause harm in the wrong amounts.
Much of them aren’t common nutrients or nutrients at all (some are drugs, others are uncommon things like cocoa flavanols), and the ones that are nutrients commonly found in food may be close to impossible to work into his specialized (vegan) diet. Each of these supplements were found to or are strongly suspected to help with longevity and health, and he’s taken many ineffective or counterproductive ones out of his stack.
You can view the stack here (I believe the list in this article is accurate)
Look, I'm not saying that each alone isn't beneficial. What i doubt is that taking 40 little pills, all mixed with all kinds of other compounds, and which all also INTERACT with each other when they're in your body, is completely innocent.
I find it bonkers how many people are defending this guy: the whole point it is an experiment, and any one who knows even the FIRST thing about medical science knows that all compounds have side effects; especially when you make cocktails out of them.
I stand corrected, but how many pills is he consuming everyday?
Either way, it's a crazy amount. Just the stuff that is used to mix these things is not well studied when it's consumed at such a high amount, so regularly, over such long periods. It would be nuts if it didn't have some kind of side effects. These pills are not pure, and even if they have been scientifically tested they have not been tested in combination.
There are so, so, so many drugs, vitamins, and nutrients that you do NOT take together because of how they interact. This guy is - yes - experimenting. Experimenting does not automatically mean he is going to live for a long time; most experiments fail. The guy may have inadvertently fucked up his stomach - what is so controversial about that statement?
You don't think the billionaire with some of the best private doctors on the planet hasnt thought of any of the things you have? That they wouldn't use the most pure organic forms of supplements without random chemical binders? You're being ignorant and think somehow these obvious factors wouldn't be considered when they decide what he takes. It's laughable actually how much of an armchair expert you're being lol
Man - the guy is EXPERIMENTING! What is with all these folks that assume because someone's a billionaire they can't also get things wrong?
You know all those folks paying billions to cryogenically store their bodies? It's an experiment - sci-fi - it's built out of speculation. I'm not claiming to be an expert; far from it - but just because some guy has got money doesn't mean he suddenly becomes an exception to what it means to EXPERIMENT.
You don't know the results in advance! Even if they go for the 'purest' drugs, even if he gets all of his pharmaceuticals made in-house, that still doesn't mean that what he is doing is supported by current research, because it hasn't been done before: it's an experiment; negative side effects wouldn't be surprising. They'd be likely
I find it so so bizarre how many people are on here defending some guy just because he's rich!
Sure, but an N=1 experiment with no controls and this many things being tested at once is completely useless for scientific purposes. You can learn absolutely zero from his "experiments". He would be better served investing his money into actual medical science.
“There is no doctor… who would recommend” Did he specifically say they recommend the 40 supplements he takes? Or is he taking 40 supplements and also working with doctors who basically have to work with what they’ve got? Yea they’re probably not recommending it, but they can’t exactly stop him and they’re still gonna consult with him
Please show me the doctor and the tests that they ran that shows he is short on 100+ nutrients and needs to use that many supplements. Then show me the research that that doctor used to support that opinion. You will be looking for a while because there is no such research supporting this.
Go ask the doctors bud, youll have to do your one research instead of whining at me. Niether of us are educated on the topic no matter how much you pretend.
My wife is a doctor, can confirm, she said this guy is a nut who likely only hired doctors who agreed with his ideas, or he did this against their advice. She works with zero doctors and said, "even starving kids in Africa are unlikely to need 100 supplements per day."
So just to be clear, you said to ask doctors. I asked a doctor, she said you were wrong. Now you’re telling me that her opinion is anecdotal, but that his doctor’s opinions (that we don’t know) are not anecdotal. Fascinating.
I don't need to do the research because I didn't make the claim that 100+ supplements a day was good for me. The onus is on the person making the claim and since you were supporting that claim, you need to provide the evidence or I would be right to dismiss it. I don't take "he consulted a doctor, trust me bro" as evidence. Also, many dead celebrities have consulted their doctors too. Doctors can be bought.
Yes, you are literally conceding to a doctor by default. Doctors can be wrong. As others pointed out this guy's work is too much at once, but since he pays the bills the doctors do what he wants. I don't think there is any malice but I have to many women in my life who have horrow stories of trying to get doctors to take some of their issues seriously. My grandma convinced multiple doctors to get her on so many meds we had to detox her.
Doctors are people but if this guy was serious about his work you need more than a sample size of 1. This is pseudo science at best as there is no way to control which treatment is doing anything with all of them going on.
So unless you want to work on clarifying more, yes you are appealing to an authority, which is a fallacy. We all do it, I'm not trying to insult you.
I'm sorry, I've spent the last four years studying prescribing cascades: there is no doctor in their right mind who would recommend taking over 100 pills a day. It's just nuts. Maybe it's good, maybe it isn't: the whole point is it's an experiment, no? It's called polypharmacy, and it's a very very well known issue around prescribing both medications as well as supplements, if you're taking more than 10 different pharmacologically active compounds you're in the danger zone. So no, I'm not making stuff up.
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u/MountainAd8203 Jul 06 '26
It's also possible that consuming over 100 tablets a day completely fucked his stomach... it wouldn't surprise me if banging as many supplements and vitamins into himself as possible didn't also have some side effects.