r/SipsTea • • 5d ago

Chugging tea Well, I’m 42, with zero savings. Definitely have less than $900 in my checking.

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u/VineStGuy 5d ago edited 4d ago

I lived most of my life in survival mode. Finally got $ saved up to buy a house when I was 44. Started saving for retirement. Then BAM. Diagnosed with throat cancer at 46. Whatever I had saved is now replaced with crushing medical debt ensuring I'll never retire.

Edit to add: I beat the cancer. I am 4 years with no-active cancer. It's just all the scans and tests I need to do several times a year to keep tabs on it is expensive.

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u/nginn 5d ago

That sucks big time. I think I'm your position I'd likely hold it until the doctors/hospitals/medical companies either worked with me or allow the accounts to charge off and be bought by a collection agency that may settle for much less. I don't know the figures for medical debt specifically; but I know the average collection agencies pay for credit card debt, for example, is something like four or five cents for every dollar owed.

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u/xyodune 4d ago

Saw this happen to a older man, he got cancer in his balls and had them cut off. Ended up working at Walmart full time after multiple treatments that didn't work. It sucked seeing him come in almost immediately after that surgery to work and being bullied by some of the other workers.

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u/SkittlesNTwix 4d ago

Who tf bullies someone like that. Total POS’s. Very sad.

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u/xyodune 4d ago

Alot sadly, they loved making jokes about him having no balls I lost it a few times and stood up for the guy but he was already defeated and broken so it just kept happening cause he was an easy target.

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u/Still_Hamster9963 4d ago

People are really sick. What happened to this society where people no longer empathize with anyone?

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u/doubled783 4d ago

Look at who's running your country. Removal of empathy and humanity at the top.

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u/Still_Hamster9963 4d ago

Exactly what I was inferring...People have been given permission to not care, to be racist and coldhearted.

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u/A-Can-of-DrPepper 1d ago

They never got the crap kicked out of them for saying things like that when younger. Thats usually why, imo anyway.

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u/OkOpportunity9626 2d ago

Very cruel!!

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u/These-Prune-1529 4d ago

Evil damn people everywhere. Ty for sticking up for him.

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u/rottenpennybun 14h ago

its wild to see when people beat someone when they are already down. I am seeing it more and more. People are absolutely awful garbage.

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u/OkOpportunity9626 2d ago

Bullied?? How pathetic !! I hope he’s managing well, these days!

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u/MsMarvelsProstate 4d ago

Ignoring medical debt doesn't work as well when you need continuous care. If you get hit by a bus and spend a 4 weeks in the icu it could work. But if you need to come back once a month for treatment they are going to stop giving it to you if you aren't paying.

Plus there is the debt they gained simply by being sick and losing out on potential income during that time.

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u/buzzlightyear77777 4d ago

society failed. rich people go on 500 million yacht holidays, while the average joe cannot pay his medical bills.

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u/Still_Hamster9963 4d ago

Yup, and that "Big Beautiful Bill" put the nail in the coffin of anyone who is not rich.

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u/hotleadburner 4d ago

The coffin is not nailed until we give up. There are ways forward, but they will require sacrifice -- even if it's just your time to start with. But giving up is what nails the coffin, giving up and losing the memory and will to fight.

I know everyone reading this has that capacity. You would not have made it through this long if you didn't.

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u/Still_Hamster9963 4d ago

That's true, and the first thing everyone can do is vote on November 3rd!

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u/mumonster 4d ago

But it’s CaPiTaLiSm ☹️

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u/Xaraxa 4d ago

My dream is to be hit by public transportation one day and live off that sweet lawsuit windfall.

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u/mystery_hole 4d ago

I ran up credit cards when I was 19, because I figured I wouldn't own a home in the 7 years it'd take to fall off. Medical debt is even less severe, as it regularly gets bought out by good Samaritans after it hits collections.

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u/ds-unraid 4d ago

Just curious, why did you think it was OK to borrow money that you did not intend to pay back? I'm not here to judge. And honestly, they take enough money from us through interest. Just genuinely curious. I'm trying to build a list of things to teach my future kids.

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u/Wrong_Visual5077 4d ago

A word of caution before I tell you this: do NOT tell your kids about it.

Look up Quantitative Easing, Fiat Currency, Fractional Reserve Banking, and Prime Rate to see how the Federal Reserve and banking systems are used to, quite literally, bleed people dry.

And no, they have absolutely no intention of ever revaluing the currency they stole the value from in the first place.

We live in a full-blown kleptocracy, and I will tell you right now it is much, much better that your children don't know that, because if we had been taught that when we were younger, we would've refused to play.

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u/ds-unraid 4d ago

Just added these to my Obsidian notes. I appreciate it. I love rabbit holes like this. It's good to know what's going on behind the scenes. I wonder if this is the same thing that's on the us debt calculator website . There was a PDF document showing how we were being robbed since the federal reserve came to fruition.

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u/mystery_hole 4d ago

You must be new to politics or the world at large. I couldn't give less of a shit of what I did to JP Morgan by not paying, when they were actively protecting Epstein and helping him funnel millions and terrorize hundreds of minors.

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u/ds-unraid 4d ago

Huh? I was genuinely asking what the plan was. But I also understand that at that age, planning isn't a step in the process.

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u/deltalitprof 2d ago

What happened when you wanted to buy a car?

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u/deltalitprof 3d ago

That would pretty much blow any credit you'd need if you accidentally did get to the point of buying a car or buying a house.

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u/nginn 3d ago

Incorrect. It's very difficult for medical debt to impact credit reports (in the US at least)

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u/bball2407 2d ago

Sucking big time is how he got throat cancer!

I’ll see myself out

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u/JohnnySpartacus 5d ago

Any reason you can't declare bankruptcy? Medical debt is not like student loan debt. You can wipe the slate clean.

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u/VineStGuy 4d ago

Because I continue to acquire it. Year after year.

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u/ILiveInAVan 4d ago

I pay $10-50/mo for my medical debt with a cancer hospital. If you can, just keep accruing it with one facility. I’m fortunate they also don’t charge interest on the debt.

Some hospitals wipe debts after receiving donations and give relief to those on long timeline payment plans.

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u/Impressive_Recon 4d ago

My extremely hot take (if you’re in the US), just don’t pay your medical debt.

Sure, your credit might end up looking bad (some creditors/banks ignore medical debt), but it’s not like you’re buying a new house or a new car if you’re spending all your retirement and savings into medical debt.

The debt will end up getting sold to an agency that will reduce it to a fraction of what it is and then if you still can’t pay that, then let them legally take it away from you.

But before it even gets there, almost every hospital in the US provides financial assistance or charity care (if you qualify). If you’re dipping into your retirement/savings and genuinely can’t afford it (and not spending frivolously on other crap or gambling) then you will get approved for it.

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u/NoSingularities0 4d ago

Some states don't even allow medical debt on your credit report at all. Hospitals in the U.S. don't go bankrupt unless they're poorly ran, i.e. don't meet the minimum requirements of care for Medicare, so they're making money even with all of the unpaid medical debt. There's a reason that medical insurance premiums still go up 10% or more every year even though insurance companies are capped at 20% gross profit (at least 80% of all insurance premiums must be spent on medical care by law, only the remainder can be used cover company expenses like IT, office space, and employee salaries).

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u/Spundinkles 4d ago

Imagine having to consider that, just in order to receive vital health care. Some countries are just f'ed I swear!

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u/Huge-Fox-3105 4d ago

Shit ain’t free

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u/Spundinkles 4d ago

I mean ... You're not wrong. But I pay the cost gladly, knowing I have the help when I needed, without having to worry about the cost.

If you factor in the amount a Dane (I'm Danish) pays for health care over tax, and what an American pays via health insurance, medical bills etc. Danes pay less - On average.

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u/MOOSE_999 4d ago

Americans have turned health care into a for profit industry.. So sure, shit ain't free, but it shouldn't be for profit..

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u/GregAbbottsGoodLeg 4d ago

I have a family history of dementia in both sides. When I’m ready to retire I’m gonna mule for the cartel & play up the dementia angle at my inevitable trial. New American retirement plan! 🤷‍♂️😭

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u/CheapMycologist5351 4d ago

Lemme be the driver? I need a solid 3rd income rn.

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 4d ago

I’ll be your alibi! Do you want to be innocent or guilty?

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u/CheapMycologist5351 4d ago

Hmmmm...surprise me! I like to be kept on my toes 😆 🤣 😂

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 4d ago

Meet me in the conference room. I have a plan.

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u/CheapMycologist5351 4d ago edited 3d ago

😉 cant WAIT! Keep me updated?! ❤️ have a good one!

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u/Plane-Tune-820 4d ago

Honestly not the worst idea I've ever heard

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u/walaska 4d ago

don't worry, drones already stole that job too

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u/Dremora_Lord 4d ago

They tuk er jerbs!!

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u/Pussy_On_TheChainwax 4d ago

Hey I saw this movie! Clint Eastwood was great

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u/TransportationFull77 1d ago

I saw that Clint Eastwood movie

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u/Unique-Coffee5087 1h ago

You're a genius right now!

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u/Secret-Raspberry3063 4d ago

Crap I’m so sorry

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u/mj732 5d ago

Damn tht brutal

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u/hyperimpossible 4d ago

Life is not fair

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u/aROSEsurely-41813 4d ago

Wow….you and my husband: exact same circumstances. Except he is 42 with throat cancer. Been off work for over a year already. Still waiting for Social Security disability. Cashed in his 401K to survive in the meantime and pay medical costs! He’s looking at going back to work Spring/Summer 2028 and start all over again! What a shame, right? Hey that’s life though (at least we had what we did have saved to get us through this hardship!)

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u/buzzlightyear77777 4d ago

current society is a joke. we can die but we cannot fall sick

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u/Darksider123 4d ago

medical debt

The US really is a hellscape

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u/Lost-Sentence8204 4d ago

This sucks. I'm so sorry.

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u/Purple_oyster 4d ago

That is the system in the USA get seriously sick and your savings are gone. You need universal medical

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u/Livid-Apple4385 4d ago

If you believe in anything spiritual, please know I am praying for your health and hoping that you get better soon!! ❤️❤️

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u/Alternative-Hall7067 3d ago

Man that sucks so bad. I’m happy you beat the cancer. Fuck cancer.

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u/Reasonable_Cod9709 1d ago

You beat death this time. That’s a W all day long.

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u/VineStGuy 1d ago

Feels pretty great to win a round with death. We all lose to it eventually.

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u/Leather_Pride3586 4d ago

American? 

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u/trashtv 4d ago

Land of the free for sure. It's great again!

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 4d ago

I had to cash out my 401k when I lost my job at 40, The kicker was having to pay tax on it. Sold my condo at a loss, too. And then I got sick, and then Covid hit before I could get another job.  Now, years later, I'm renting a room and barely making enough to buy food, nevermind saving for retirement. Don't know wtf I'm going to do.

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u/when-i-was-your-ag3 4d ago

Damn, why don't your insurance covers that?

When I had cancer I only payed 350 euro.

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u/VineStGuy 4d ago

Yup. American. I pay $250 a month out of my paycheck for insurance. Then I’m responsible for $10k every year. Dental insurance is the worst. It’s the opposite of medical. At least medical caps out w my insurance. Dental does not. It’s easy as an American to have $20k-$50k for teeth

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u/fifthgroupholidash 4d ago

Probably American. Our healthcare system is bonkers.

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u/softwareredditor 4d ago

This is all by design. The entire system is intentionally designed this way. Whether it's to harm people on purpose or not is irrelevant, it's about extracting all the wealth out of us.

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u/TheFlashisGone2 4d ago

How were you diagnosed? Blood test, or something else?

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u/VineStGuy 4d ago

A dentist saw I had a lump. I thought it was an infected impacted wisdom tooth. Told me to go to the ENT. They knew it was cancer immediately. It was stage 2. I beat it since it was caught early.

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u/TheFlashisGone2 2d ago

That’s so crazy!!! I’m so glad you’re ok.

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u/TrustDaTruth 4d ago

I hope you get well soon

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u/VineStGuy 4d ago

I beat the cancer! It’s just you have to get so many tests and scans every 6 months to ensure it stays gone. That’s why the debt keeps adding to the pile.

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u/TrustDaTruth 4d ago

That is great news! Congratulations friend! Enjoy every moment of your life, these kind of things remind us that we should not get stuck with unnecessary stuff that we face in our lives and most of the time we go with the flow, end up forgetting what actually matters. So please don’t forget that part if you face with any issues/struggles.

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u/desertmermaid92 4d ago

Would it be worth it to lower your earnings if necessary and move to a state where you’d qualify for Medicaid and not have to pay a dime out of pocket?

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u/xjimmysaintx 4d ago

I’d just let the cancer do its thing if it were me tbh

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u/OccasionNew3198 4d ago

Don't go breaking bad.

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u/richsonreddit 4d ago

yay, America

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u/slsflannery 2d ago

that sucks man but I'm glad you beat the cancer 🙌🏼

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u/OkOpportunity9626 2d ago

Beating the cancer is the absolute, & the very best!!!congratulations!
I realize the importance of owning your own house is a significant thing!! But, first, your health is everything !
Hopefully, in the near future, you’ll be both healthy,& be able to buy that home of yours !! Gif bless , & best of luck! 🙏☮️!

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u/VineStGuy 2d ago

Oh, I bought that house. It was a year later I was diagnosed.

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u/OkOpportunity9626 2d ago

Oh; that’s so disappointing ! I still hope you’re coping, & managing to keep your house !

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u/Normal_Opposite_9864 4d ago

how did you nothave insurance at 46?

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u/VineStGuy 4d ago

This is a complete misnomer. Thinking someone that has health insurance means everything is covered. No, it doesnt. Every plan has an out pocket limit and that can fluctuate depending which charge is in-network and out-of network. I do have health insurance. I still have to pay $10k + a portion of prescriptions out of pocket every year after my $250 a month out of my paycheck.

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u/Normal_Opposite_9864 4d ago

lol. yeah. thats not debt homie. your hsa should easily cover your out of pocket

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u/VineStGuy 4d ago

That's incredibly out of touch thinking everyone can afford to save in a HSA. That's still your money, you're just prepaying if you can afford it. I can't afford to save $10K a year to pay my yearly debt.

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u/durangotang 4d ago

I am sorry to hear about your situation.

As a supplemental, easy on the system treatment, I'd look into Fenbendazole, Ivermectin, or Menbendazole. And probably alkalyzing the body. Just search X or Facebook, there's lots of groups.

Best of luck in your health journey. I've been there with medical debt. It sucks, but you've got to do what you have to do, and at the end of the day, it's just money.