r/TopCharacterTropes • u/FullBrother9300 • 14d ago

Hated Tropes (Hated trope) Remember all these stories and characters we followed for so long? Welp now it’s all reset.

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1: using another flashpoint to create the tomorrowverse (Justice League Dark: Apokolips war) after 80-90% of the cast is killed off and billions lives are fated to die Flash and Constantine hatch up a plan to kill baby Darkseid to prevent the entire story from happening which just leads to an entirely different universe being formed and even erasing some characters from existence.

2: Jim travelling to the beginning (Tales of Arcadia series) after multiple characters die including Toby Jim uses a magic gem to travel back to the very first episode but instead lets Toby find the amulet… this changes things how?

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u/CollectionMammoth304 14d ago

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure

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u/Err0r404Unknown 14d ago

jojo is mostly because the universe, for all intents and purposes, "reset" with each part. We have entirely new casts of heroes and villains with only a couple returning characters each part, so a universal reset isn't as out there as it can be for other shows

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u/WorryingMars384 14d ago

Yeah it’s not a reset in the traditional sense, it’s more like a reboot which is why it generally works.

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u/peachypeachypeach543 14d ago

This is very true and really is to Araki's credit as he is able to tell a variety of stories, but he did completely reboot the universe after Stone Ocean. I really think Steel Ball Run (and JoJolion and JoJoLands) really showcase Araki's talent and skill as a writer because he is able to do the reboot successfully. He explores the new universe while keeping just enough of the core concepts and names and such that you can see what came before but enjoy it in a way that never feels stale.

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u/ShadowKingthe7 13d ago

It does confuse pretty many people because the reboot came immediately after the universe reset. They think SBR is the resetted universe

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u/WorryingMars384 13d ago

I mean it is in a way, but it’s so totally different is why it works. It’s not an undo all the character development and set everyone exactly as we know to square one even if the original universe is gone.

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u/peachypeachypeach543 14d ago

Yes but Steel Ball Run was a complete reboot of the universe. I think Araki does a really great job of exploring the rebooted universe (in SBR and then JoJolion and JoJoLands) while keeping enough nods to the previous iterations to keep it fresh but also giving nostalgia for what came before.

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u/Err0r404Unknown 14d ago

my favorite was def that old guy painting Crazy Diamond on the street. holy jumpscare

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u/peachypeachypeach543 14d ago

I loved that little touch. Araki finds the most fun and original ways to pay homage to his previous works and show connective tissue between them.

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u/michael22117 14d ago

Not to mention there are plenty of characters that are all but their mainline universe counterparts

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u/peachypeachypeach543 14d ago

And Araki does that in such a way that it doesn't feel like the character was cut and pasted or that the new story is a rehash of a previous one. For example, Phantom Blood/Stardust Crusaders Dio feels very different than SBR Dio, has a different storyline, etc.

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u/Top-Opportunity-6576 14d ago

SBR Dio (late spoilers) actually helps the protagonists (not necessarily out of altruism, but because he wanted the parts for himself), although his AU counterpart still tries to bamboozle them in the end and is a bit more sociopathic. But I still wish Diego & Hot Pants could have survived and gotten together because they were such a fun pairing, in the same weird way that Jolyne & Anasui were.

Also, he had a legitimate reason to be a dick. OG Dio's only reason was "lmao fuck the Joestars"

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u/SamiTheAnxiousBean 13d ago

they were talking about the end of stone ocean

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u/I_hate_myself069 14d ago

Small correction, but Stone Ocean’s reset isn’t a complete reset. The universe only charged in one way: ‘What if Enrico Pucci never existed?’. So in the new timeline, only main cast of Part 6 are different, since all of their lives were severely impacted by Pucci. Everyone else should be more or less the same. Except Jotaro, who didn’t get divorced and had better work-life balance, since most of Dio’s former minions worked for Pucci.

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u/nobadabing 14d ago

There’s been no allusion to the Irene-verse in the new continuity, so everything Steel Ball Run-onwards is probably a different continuity until proven otherwise

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u/I_hate_myself069 14d ago

Yeah??? Irene-verse isn’t related to SBR verse, we already knew that. This post is about universe resets. Which did happen at SO’s end. So I mentioned it.

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u/Neveed 14d ago edited 14d ago

That means that all the following parts do not take place in the same timeline we see at the end of Stone Ocean.

Because SBR and Jojolion are clearly not just the same world without Pucci. Especially SBR which occurs before Pucci is even supposed to be born and is what takes place instead of the events of Phantom Blood.

But then it's weird and confusing that Araki ends part 6 with an universe reboot leading to an alternative history, and starts part 7 with a different, unrelated universe reboot with a different alternative history.

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u/MrAuster 13d ago

SBR was intended to be another thing unrelated to JoJo's, but Araki changes his mind and made SBR the seventh part of JoJo's

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u/schrelaxo 13d ago

No it wasnt.

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u/karateema 14d ago

That was always the case

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u/Cal-Eats-Rocks 14d ago

I misunderstood that ending. I could’ve sworn that the difference with the new universe was that the jojo curse was nonexistent and that’s why the names were different (Jolyne’s name not fitting the Jojo naming convention) showing that the bloodline won’t be fated to fight some bizarre vampire or other threat.

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u/I_hate_myself069 14d ago

That bit about Irene not being JoJo is correct, but other JoJos still exist. Since DIO would’ve done his bullshit even if Pucci wasn’t around.

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u/Cal-Eats-Rocks 14d ago

I think I like this more than what I had interpreted. The jojo curse was broken rather than never existing in the first place. That’s a better ending I think

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u/CollectionMammoth304 14d ago

Yeah but it still kinda invalidates like 99.99% of part 6 and yet nobody complains because of how well its handled

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u/Fireflyholylight 14d ago

Only parts 1-5 happen with the ending of 6 being the end of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventures due to Jolene being renamed Irene :D In series 2 we get horses, fruit, and robbery yay

Part 10 never

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u/FishWithLegsAndArms 14d ago

I think it works because its not a complete reset. Everything else happens, except the protagonists of this specific part have better lives. 

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u/Fluffiddy 14d ago

Fujimoto really tried to do a Stone Ocean ending 😭✌️