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Hated Tropes (Hated Meta Trope) Plot Holes that are not Plot Holes. There is an explanation if you bother to watch the movie

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"Plot Hole": Why didn't Thanos just make the universe bigger to end overpopulation!

Explanation: Thanos wants to kill half the population to end overpopulation right? If he created more resources, the universe would just become overpopulated all over again. He explains this in his villain monolog. There are parts of his plan that make no sense (he's called the Mad Titan for a reason), but this one is actually explained. His plan was also to punish people for their greed, and making more food would not be much of a punishment. He also has a savior complex which makes him double down on his plan to prove he's right

"Plot Hole": Why wasn't the Death Star's exhaust port fortified!

Explanation: It fucking WAS. They had laser cannons surrounding the port because the Empire knew it was a weak point. The imperial general saw the rebels and chose to do nothing about it. He says "I think you overestimate their chances". Luke needed help from Han Solo, the disembodied voice of Ben and the Force in order to get the torpedoes into that tiny hole. Han even says that the shot was "one in a million".

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u/Blupoisen 3d ago

I mean I think the bigger reason is that Thanos wanted to prove he is right, also

Why did Voldermort used known artifacts for the Horcruxes instead of just a random coin, people sometime treats it like it is a plot hole when it can be easily explained

Voldemort is an arrogant fool with god complex he would probably consider putting part of his soul in a meaningless coin would be beneath him

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u/Tetchord 3d ago

Also Voldemort probably thought his Horcruxes would be more powerful if they were important objects the same way he fixates on the number of them being 7. And he's not wrong, the diary, the locket and Nagini do fight back in a way that a coin or an old tin can probably wouldn't.

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u/explicitlarynx 3d ago

Horcrux floorboard out there giving people splinters

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u/Polite_Werewolf 3d ago

Not to mention that doing it with more important objects means there's a higher chance that those items will be preserved and protected. Since he wanted to keep them separated, it's not like he could personally protect them and probably wouldn't trust anyone else to protect them either. So, secretly making those items horcruxes would mean his enemies are unknowingly keeping him alive.

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u/BesottedCoot 3d ago

“Probably wouldn’t” is very funny here

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u/Infamous_Creme8671 3d ago

I just finished rereading Half-blood Prince like 10 minutes ago. Dumbledore explains why Voldemort used the artifacts. There's half a chapter dedicated to it.

Voldemort used them because of their extreme historical value, as nothing less would be good enough for him.

I think the plothole is why kept leaving most of his horcruxes around unprotected.

Only the snake, cup and locket was given any real security.

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u/Chijinda 3d ago

The diary was also given security; he entrusted it to one of his lieutenants. He did not anticipate Lucius being as careless with the diary as he was; and iirc it's mentioned in the books that one of the reasons that Voldemort bullies Lucius much more than other Death Eaters is because he is furious with Lucius for screwing up the task of protecting the diary.

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u/HunterNika 3d ago

These kind of things usually pop up due to the movies. Cause the movies often leave out certain lore details that would tie together the whole thing.

As for the security. He banked on the mystery surrounding his past. The ring was hidden at a rather forgotten spot that only those knew who remembered his full name and made the connection with his ancestors and of course, it was hidden magically but Dumbledore is quite a rival to him. The book was more or less meant to be exposed. The real head scratcher is the Ravenclaw diadem. Was he really soo full of himself that he thought he was the only one who found the... Room of hidden things? With the stuff of several generations of students in the room?

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u/MalThun_Gaming 3d ago

The Room of REquirement also has an explanation -

Think about how often some student made their way into and through that room. In that state. A room of nothing but junk, tossed aside, contraband that students were trying to hide. How many times have they seen that singular diadem? Just sitting out there, in the open, untouched?

He wasn't banking on no one else knowing about the room. He was banking on people not caring about what seemed like junk in the room.

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u/lirwolf 3d ago

The diadem was nondescript, Harry actually picks it up in book 6 completely unaware of what it is. 

It’s also possible that in his infinite hubris, he just assumed the room generated all that stuff for him to hide his horcrux

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u/ThatsNashTea 3d ago

The ring also has an incredibly powerful jinx put on it, so much so that Dumbledore touching it was enough to slowly kill him over the next several months, and it was only slow because Snape was able to isolate it mainly to his hand. The whole point of Snape killing him was an act of mercy and to prevent Voldemort from getting ownership of the Elder Wand. 

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u/lirwolf 3d ago

It wasn’t simply handling the ring that cursed Dumbledore, he put it on when he realised it had the resurrection stone. He says he lost his head and put on the ring without thinking. We see the aftermath in Snape’s memories at the end of book 7, Snape is furious at the stupidity of wearing it.

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u/Nyzer_ 3d ago

The real head scratcher is the Ravenclaw diadem. Was he really soo full of himself that he thought he was the only one who found the... Room of hidden things? With the stuff of several generations of students in the room?

I think he thought it made him one of an elite few. If nobody else was accessing the Room during his time at Hogwarts, it might be something that only one person finds every generation, if that. So he went and left proof of his claim as one of those few.

Hogwarts was his first true home, don't forget. And even to a little psychopath like him, that meant something. It was genuinely one of the very few parts of his childhood he actually treasured.

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u/Begone-My-Thong 3d ago

To be fair the diadem was damn well hidden, and putting additional protections could draw attention to it. Sometimes subtlety is best.

Even Dumbledore didn't know about the Room of Requirement, especially the hidden objects room.

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u/TheDeridor 3d ago

Protection signals importance, maybe lack of security was a way to hide them. But I don't remember the horcruxes well enough to know of that makes sense here

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u/Brief-Ad-181 3d ago

voldemort left his horcruxes unprotected because he was arrogant enough to think that nobody would ever discover them

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u/Luis2611 3d ago

But he didn't leave them unprotected, though.

The diary he gave to a trusted lieutenant assuming he would've cared for it, a mistake for sure, but it is giving it protection.

The diadem he hid in a place not even Dumbledore knew how to access and where nobody would actually think it was real instead of junk like everything else there.

The ring was in a place nobody would know unless they knew his real name, hidden with magic and with a powerful curse on top of it.

The locket was in a cave you could only access by flying, under several layers of occulting enchantments, a potion that made you go insane and you had to drink and an army of zombies as the last defense.

Nagini was always with him.

And the Cup was in a secure vault in a place no one had been able to rob until he robbed it in Book 1.

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u/yellowvincent 3d ago

I think it could had been solved in the sense that for it to work correctly you need a magical object that is strong enough where you store your chunk of your soul and that using something that is more common like the diary is more fragile and more prone to being destroyed in the process of making the horrocrux.

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u/The2ndUnchosenOne 3d ago

Why did Voldermort used known artifacts for the Horcruxes instead of just a random coin, people sometime treats it like it is a plot hole when it can be easily explained

Ironically, your explanation is incorrect. Horcruxes HAVE to be an object of siginificance to work. I dunno if that detail made it into the movies, but it is in the books.

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u/carefreedude 3d ago

I also assumed you don't want the horcrux to be too common because it needs someone to help revive that portion of the soul and it would be a bit embarrassing if a horcrux couldn't be revived because the coin used to make it got lost in someone's couch. 

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u/Blupoisen 3d ago

Voldemort: ok Peter now use the coin I gave you to bring me back

Peter: oh, that's what it was for?, I kinda spent it on vending machine

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u/SubstantialBake1050 3d ago

Isn’t this explained outright in the books? He was obsessed with Hogwarts history and purposely picked important relic from its founders because he thought they were pretty rad.

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u/Cassiyus 3d ago

It is actually really funny to think of Voldemort using some random muggle coin and it getting stuck in some vending machine. Like bro why did you trade my soul for a Dr Pepper?

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u/Ambitious-Major777 3d ago

A bigger plothole is the ministry of magic combining all powers in one entity and not being a tyrranical government secretly way worse than the death eaters, the death eaters being a militia and order of the phoenix being a loosely state aligned militia

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u/Zephian99 3d ago

It was always his Ego that made him lose.

He lost because He had to fight the prophecy about him. He had to be the one to end it. If he had sent any of his Deatheaters it would had been the end, possibly. (Fate could have intervened and the prophecy could had unfolded in a different way, it's a story afterall.)

But there were many instances where his ego trumped his role has the Dark Lord, so his fault to be a Lone Tower of Darkness was his entire reason it came crashing down on him. The man's Ego fed his existence and that came falling when facing a force where the "Hero" didn't need to do everything himself.

Technically speaking, if I got it right, he only destroyed one Horcrux himself, every other one was done by another or in conjunction, even Tom destroyed one himself. So the man with an ego lost because he couldn't not focus on the target of "His Prophecy" while the rest slowly destroyed each fragment of his soul.

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u/happygocrazee 3d ago

Also, it's magic. I imagine you can't just put part of your literal soul into something that holds no meaning for you.

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u/Zwischenzug32 3d ago

It would have been more boring and he wouldn't have felt as needed if he didn't have to keep snapping every 50 years or so

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u/BigXThaSpud 3d ago

Pretty much every "Why didn't Voldemort just do-" plothole, can be explained by Voldemort being a massive drama queen and autistic mfer who needed things to happen just as he planned.

Why didn't he just make more horcruxes when he found out Harry was hunting them? Because 7 is a magically powerful number, and he decided on it years ago. Why didn't he just have BCJr. kill Harry and bring his blood to him at any point in the 4th book? Because he had to be the one to do it.

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u/Ambitious_Pizza_8408 3d ago

He couldn't have made more Horcruxes because his soul was already extremely damaged from the 7 he had made, and it was very risky to make even one more. Given that nobody in history other than him had even made more than one Horcrux.