r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Routine_Phase_8980 • 3d ago

Hated Tropes ( Annoying af trope ) When the good guys possess perfect defensive position/advantages that was completely ruined by someone's sheer stupidity, pettiness, or selfishness

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I understand that these scenes must happen in order for the plot to continue but they still make me angry till today whenever I think about them because of how easy it could've been avoided. I doesn't mean these scenes are necessarily bad written, just hella hard to watch.

The Jerusalem Wall / The Singing Crowd (World War Z): Israel literally anticipated the zombie apocalypse and built a flawless, massive wall that kept everyone 100% safe. It was the ultimate safe haven. But then people inside started celebrating and singing on a microphone so loudly that it triggered a zombie pyramid, they didn't even stop until the first zombies started coming through. They have less survival instinct than an amoeba.

Ephialtes (300): The Spartans had the perfect phalanx formation at the Hot Gates. They were slaughtering the Persian army with minimal casualties and could have held them off for so much longer. Then this guy gets his feelings hurt because he can't lift a shield, throws a tantrum, and tells Xerxes about the secret goat path.

Grandma Jong-gil (Train to Busan): The survivors fought through hell and literal waves of infected to secure a safe train car. Sure, the crowd inside was selfish for locking them out at first, but everyone was finally safe inside. Then this grandma, fueled by grief and spite over her sister, decides to open the door and let the infected flood the entire car, killing everyone.

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u/Yeoldeelf 3d ago

Was the wall in world war z such a "perfect" defence if loud noises that attract a lot of enemies could bring it down? Of course it helped and the singing was stupid, but regarding how the wall enclosed millions of people, I cannot imagine that level of noise never happening. The wall as a defensive position was not perfect either, since a simple zombieladder sufficed. You could at least have made an outward slope on the top of the wall to improve defense against the only move the zombies had.

It's a little like having impenetrable sand bastion that are impervious to artillery being washed away by water hoses or rain. How is it perfect? Useful certainly but only under certain conditions, that can always be somehow circumvented.

Sometimes it definitely sucks though as a viewer to be "robbed" of an awesome buldwark repulsing various kinds of attacks.

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u/Ok-Cow-1399 3d ago

The book the movie is “based” on features Romero-style zombies, so in the book the wall is actually perfectly effective (the zombies are known to occasionally do the ramp thing in the movie, but at such a slow speed that you as a defender could stop it). The wall still gets slightly breached in the book, but it’s on purpose because of a civil war triggered by anger over abandoning Jerusalem and letting the Palestinians shelter in the safe zone.

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u/BeegBunga 3d ago

"a civil war triggered by anger over [...] letting the Palestinians shelter in the safe zone."

too real

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u/Mummiskogen 3d ago

I haven't read the book but i heard the story is more about geopolitics than actual zombies so that would add up

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u/PilotMoonDog 2d ago

The book is a series of interviews with survivors done 10 years after the end of the war. The interviewer (Brad Pitt's character in the film) works for the UN and is tasked with gathering all sorts of statistics to stop such a thing happening again and does the interviews while he's doing that.

Multiple plot threads including a US Army veteran, An ex Japanese otaku turned monk alongside a blind survivor of Nagasaki. The crew of a Chinese missile submarine that escape with their families. The guilt wracked South African administrator who comes up with the plan to fort up & prepare to take back the infested areas. And others. Would really have made a better mini series than a film. Possibly animated to save on location costs.

The Israeli bit assumes that their intelligence figures out what is going on, quickly finished a containment wall and invites the Palestinians to come inside it. Not for any altruistic reason but to lessen the number of zombies that would be outside it. The settler movement objects to this, and also to infected Jews getting refused entry.

A sensible policy, but not one I could see the real Israeli government implementing.

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u/jamesxgames 2d ago

would be such a good HBO-style miniseries

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u/Citizen_Kong 2d ago edited 2d ago

Apparently the original screenplay by J. Michael Straczynski was much closer to the novel and so good that it was on black list of "best not yet produced screenplays" for a while. Soooo of course the studio let it be rewritten completely to turn it into more of a traditional action movie.

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u/IShouldbeNoirPI 2d ago

I always suspected they already had scenario gathering dust and they just bought right to the book to ride on book popularity

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u/SolidusDave 2d ago

Yeah, limited series format. (but still easy to do another series/season if successful).

Every episode could be headlined by a top actor (the interviewed person) for each scenario.

Updated for current geopolitics, tech etc.

Though I would keep the fast/wave-like zombie masses from the movie.

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u/PilotMoonDog 2d ago

Nah. Some of the plot works on them being shamblers. And them being that was a homage to the Romero films. The book is played straight as a real memoir right up to the end when Brooks includes a dedication to Romero.

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u/MillCrab 2d ago

Really does seem like a free space. Wonder what's keeping it from happening

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u/Ifyougivearagamuffin 2d ago

it should have been Ken Burns' Zombies

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u/WashingtonBaker1 2d ago

Told entirely with slow pans across a black&white photograph, accompanied by a grating old timey violin.

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u/SemperMementoMori 2d ago

Not his only documentary, check his work out

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u/eh-man3 2d ago

A truely amazing book absolutely ruined by the movie baring its name.

The audio book is great though. Adds to the framing device.

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u/Shaiky1681 2d ago

I remember having trouble with the official audiobook skipping parts, which I mean yeah sure I can read them, but i remember it being such a jarring experience

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u/Suspicious_Kitchen23 2d ago

Yes, when it was recommended to me, I was told to make sure it was the unabridged version, because the abridged version left out so much.

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u/Ronald-Mc-Daddy 2d ago

The real Israel government would just kill all the Palestinians claiming they were infected before letting a single one into the wall lmao

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u/Woodpecker-Lobotomy 2d ago

The real Israeli government is trying to kill all of the Palestinians for existing, right now

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u/IShouldbeNoirPI 2d ago

More likely to preemptively shoot Palestinians. Well in fact they're already killing potential terrorist in their cribs

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u/Vatnam 2d ago

Isn't there a chapter about North Korea where the regime just rips everyone's teeth out and then locks everyone underground?

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u/Toxic724 2d ago

Yes and the concern is after the zombie war is “won” no contact has yet been made with NK. So the concern is that the infection made it into the caves and opening them up could release millions of zombies into the world.

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u/LeafPankowski 2d ago

Yeah. The book is brilliant. I wish some streaming service would pick it up as an anthology series.

The Israel plot would have to be adjusted though. Probably to Israel intentionally locking them all outside (which I think some other nations do in the book, so it’s not really stretch.)

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u/ClothesOverall3863 3d ago

Yeah that was Max Brooks whole point. He was fascinated by second order consequences

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u/PositivelyIndecent 2d ago

I love the irony of post-war Cuba being a capitalist superpower and Tibet having the highest populated city in the world.

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u/Suspicious_Kitchen23 2d ago

And Russia becoming a theocratic dictatorship with priests, who had originally taken on the task of mercy killing the infected now the governments hitmen. And no one really knowing what happened to North Korea, who's whole population vanishing.

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u/rrenda 1d ago

it's hinted with context clues that all of North Korea is inside a gigantic bunker complex under the Taebaek Mountain Range, nobody knows if the North Koreans successfully screened the infected before sealing themselves in, and there's speculation inside the book that it may be the cause of another outbreak

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u/M1sfit_Jammer 3d ago

It’s a lot of stories… geopolitics is part of that…

Some are stories of survival from individuals and other are stories from people with a bigger set of eyes on the situation

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u/Thin-Nerve6367 3d ago

90% of zombie media is just "humans are the real enemy"

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u/thunderdragonite 2d ago

It’s fine for someone brave to say zombies are the real monster in a movie.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 2d ago

The zombies are the obvious monsters. But they don’t have a choice. Whatever made them get up and move is at fault.

The humans in a zombie movie? Well, the ones that choose to do horrible things are at fault. That’s the real monstrosity.

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u/Suspicious_Kitchen23 2d ago

Right, the human's ranged from the con man who sold fake "zombie cures" now in hiding to soldiers who sacrificed themselves so that civilians had a chance to escape.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 2d ago

In Night of the Living Dead, the Black protagonist lives through the zombie outbreak only to be murdered by cops.

It’s almost like Romero was tryin’ to say something…

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u/Jeo_1 3d ago

The book is 100 times better than the movie. 

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u/Hesitation-Marx 2d ago

Underselling it, tbh.

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u/Jeo_1 2d ago

101 times better. My bad

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u/MorgessaMonstrum 3d ago

I'd say the story is almost exclusively about geopolitics (during a zombie apocalypse), as told by individuals each experiencing it from their perspective.

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u/MillCrab 2d ago

The book is definitely a lot (on a literary level) about exploring how different types of governments react to evolving crises. There's a lot more "success" and resilience in the book than the movie, which is basically just a runaway zombie apocalypse thriller. The book isn't eeally

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u/EXusiai99 2d ago

Not really, because realistically they wouldnt have let the Palestinians in on the first place.

While it's true that Israel letting them in is more to reduce the potential amount of zombies outside of their borders than humanitarian reasons, there are other, more direct ways to achieve that.

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u/Bignholy 2d ago

Do keep in mind the book is 20 years old now. There was still some concept of peaceful resolution back then, before the world collectively lost its shit.

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u/hortonian_ovf 2d ago

Book Israel (implied but not confirmed) to fall to the zombies because the ultra zios start a civil war over offering sanctuary to Palestinian returnees and withdrawing to their UN resolution borders. And the end state is a unified one state solution after the zombies.

Movie Israel lets the arabs in and everyone dies because the arabs sang too loud.

What did the writers mean by this?

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u/Suspicious_Kitchen23 2d ago

I thought it was the Israeli's and Palestinians all singing together?

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u/No_Kangaroo_9826 2d ago

I've read the book so many times and cannot express my loathing for this movie

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u/cpt_hatstand 2d ago

Yep, was gutted when I saw it, what is great about the book is the way it's just different accounts and short stories that kind of link together, but are individual experiences of the zombie war and documents of the events that happened on national/regional scale due to mismanagement and geopolitics.

It could of been a brilliant movie, it was instead, mindless wank.

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u/No-Way7911 2d ago

They had to make sure that you knew the singing Arabs were the stupid bad guys in the movie

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u/Molotov003 3d ago

The movie is a perfect example of bad writing but I don't know why people think that the singing was the dumb part considering that much louder helicopter noise was happening before that, one would make the assumption that speakers are not as loud as helicopter noise and yet people keep labeling the singing as the dumb part. 

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u/Efectodopler117 2d ago

I assumed it was because the singing was made by the zombies target: humans, not some ramdom machine noise (not defending the scene, i just thought it was worth mentioning)

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u/CosmoMimosa 2d ago

Sure, but later in the movie the zombies are attracted to a frenzy towards the sound of a broken vending machine dumping sodas on the ground. So it's established in the film that they respond to any and all sound

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u/Different-One1895 2d ago

In their defense no one can say no to a good cold beer. Maybe they thought its a beer machine.

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u/carbonera99 2d ago

They could have avoided the zombie apocalypse by giving the undead hordes Heineken on tap, crazy how nobody thought of this.

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u/BolunZ6 2d ago

And the zombies so drunk they will end up fighting each other.

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u/StopTheEarthLetMeOff 2d ago

They did mention those zombies were in a dormant state awaiting any sort of stimulus to respond to at that point. The ones running around outside could get desensitized to the helicopters if they were constantly flying around. 

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u/Spacekingonly 2d ago

Pop machines count as human noises.

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u/HackerGamer8 2d ago

I thought it was because most stealth scene that had zombies were in quiet places like the lab and Korea airbase. So any sounds that were new will be considered activity nearby

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u/erogenouszones 2d ago

That could be the residual human

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u/Sure_Fly_5332 2d ago

Could also be because the helicopter moves around too much for a large crowd to accumulate. And it also spends time outside of the walls.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

Sure but how does that make it dumb for the people to sing at that moment? They didn't know, only Brad knew and that's what I'm asking, in the context of the movie is not like they knew not to sing and they did it anyways. The whole movie was dumb but what annoys me is that some people frame the singing as the dumb part when logic was thrown out of the window since way before that, like OP's post. 

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u/Omegalazarus 1d ago

Oh when people call it the dumb part, I always thought they meant dumb part of the movie. 

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u/Mysterious_Cut_1404 2d ago

Ooh, that actually makes the scene a little more unsettling when you think about it! If the singing was meant to lure humans in, it’s creepy in a whole different way, even if the execution was questionable.

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u/HondoShotFirst 2d ago

Why would the singing be meant to lure humans in?

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u/Heimerdahl 3d ago

people keep labeling the singing as the dumb part.  

Because the movie clearly tells us that the singing was the problem. That's the focus of the scene. 

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

Which again is just bad writing, is not like the zombies didn't know people were already there so it wasn't people that made them more aggressive, it wasn't noise that made them more aggressive, it was specifically singing? These zombies get weirder the more you think about it, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the singing either because Brad's character specifically says "the singing is too loud, is too loud" emphasizing noise as the issue, whatever the movie says what the issue was it was dumb and nonsensical which ultimately is my point. 

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u/Cantor_Set_Tripping 2d ago

Singing that was being broadcast over speakers. And singing is a uniquely human noise. Helicopters and machines making noise doesn’t sound like “food” to zombies. Like my dog will chill while yard work is happening, cars driving by, appliances running, but when he hears my wife’s voice he peaks up and runs over to her. The singing being too loud may have been that it was human voices being too loud. Also, not that I think this is actually anything, they place a weird emphasis on the loud microphone feedback noises in that scene.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

Look, all im triying to say is that post like OP frame the people as dumb but I think is the writing/plot that is dumb, the people singing didn't know that it would make the zombies more aggressive (nobody knew until halfway through), they didn't go out of their way to sing they just did without knowing that it  would have consequences and then the plot decides that we need some action so it makes it a problem, which is and issue with the plot not the people in context of the movie. If anything those people singing because they felt safe is the most logical part within the context of the movie and yet many people act as if they were stupid, ignoring the fact that nobody knew that would happen. 

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u/Cantor_Set_Tripping 2d ago

But your entire comment wasn’t about the OP post, but picking apart the writing of the movie. All I did was provide some possible reasons why the writing may not have been as garbage as the claim

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

My original comment was, I said "I don't know why people think that the singing was the dumb part" sorry if I got confused while responding to you but many people replied to me assuming I didn't know why the singing attracted the zombies when my issue was with people calling the singing part dumb.

To me discussing the logic of human voices angering the zombies feels like giving the movie more credit than it deserves when in reality it reads as "it happened because the writers wanted it to happen" no more, no less, they knew there were humans in there they didn't knew how many but they seem to be in a perpetual state of aggression and just because they noticed that they were more people than they originally noticed made them more aggressive? Do the zombies have more intelligence than they show? All of these questions seem kinda pointless to me, if I'm being honest my interpretation by watching that scene is that they just really hate music 🤷🏽‍♂️ 

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u/goodbyetrex 2d ago

There were so many good stories in the book. I get that it read more like a history book than a screenplay, but we have great screenplays based on historical events. Missed opportunities

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u/yournamehere10bucks 2d ago

Found footage was alk the rage back then. Why not an anthology film with vinettes for each segment?

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u/goodbyetrex 2d ago

10/10 would watch

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u/SenritsuJumpsuit 2d ago edited 2d ago

They could have easily made it hop between POVs then have those events meet eachother somehow for a third act

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u/goodbyetrex 2d ago

Absolutely agree. I think they were trying to go for a Battlestar Galactica kind of thing :(

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u/OverwhelmingOdds_ 2d ago

Project zomboid can vouch for this... 

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u/LemonParticular9478 2d ago

Exactly! If the movie already expects us to believe the helicopter noise makes sense, blaming the singing feels like nitpicking the wrong thing. The writing has bigger problems than that scene.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

Thank you! I feel like I'm going crazy with the amount of people responding to me thinking that I'm confused about what made the zombies more aggressive 😭 

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u/Sure_Fly_5332 2d ago

The helicopter moves around. Zombies going to that source would not necessarily need to go into the walls of the city. They might go around the city to get to the other side for the helicopter. Or they might recognize it as inaccessible, as it is flying in the air.

The singing was a persons voice, and was not seen. You climb up and over a wall to assess the source.

There is clearly a level of thinking/logic on behalf of the zombies, as they ignore the sick and wounded. Furthermore, they possess the ability to go dormant due to a lack of stimulus, and get agitated when others near them get wounded.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sure but how does that make it dumb for the people to sing at that moment? They didn't know, only Brad knew and that's what I'm asking, in the context of the movie is not like they knew not to sing and they did it anyways. The whole movie was dumb but what annoys me is that some people (like OP's post) frame the singing as the dumb part when logic was thrown out of the window since way before that.

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u/standardtissue 2d ago

according to the plot, the singing was the dumb part. you're describing a hole in the plot logic.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sure but how does that make it dumb for the people to sing at that moment? They didn't know, only Brad knew and that's what I'm asking, in the context of the movie is not like they knew not to sing and they did it anyways. The whole movie was dumb but what annoys me is that some people (like OP's post) frame the singing as the dumb part when logic was thrown out of the window since way before that.

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u/hortonian_ovf 2d ago

Movie Brad Pitt did directly frame the singing as the problem.

I think the dumber part is that even with the Israeli Exceptionalism lens on, movie Israel did not consider ANY sort of decoy

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

Sure but how does that make it dumb for the people to sing at that moment? They didn't know, only Brad knew and that's what I'm asking, in the context of the movie is not like they knew not to sing and they did it anyways. The whole movie was dumb but what annoys me is that some people (like OP's post) frame the singing as the dumb part when logic was thrown out of the window since way before that. 

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u/Apart_Republic_1870 2d ago

Maybe the zombies are just really in to music.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

They just wanted to hear better 🥺 

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u/martianunlimited 2d ago

The main character brought his mobile phone, not silencing it, and his wife called him in the middle of the mission, when he knows that the zombies are triggered by sound. I instantly noped out of the movie at that point and started treating the movie like a dark comedy... (comedy as in the literal Shakespearean definition of a comedy)

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u/Deetwentyforlife 2d ago

The issue is that the singing (i.e. the speakers) were stationary. This caused a continuous build up in one specicifc spot on the wall closest to the noise, which allowed the creation of a ramp.

The helicopters were doing what helicopters do, moving around, so even if zeds were chasing the noise, they would just be running around in circles until the helicopter outpaced them and they went dormant or went after a different helicopter in a different direction.

Not saying this is amazing writing, just providing a reasonable explanation.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

I'll just copy and paste my response no another comment (sorry I'm tired): The book is amazing, I guess that's why to me triying to figure out the logic behind the zombies in this adaptation feels like giving the movie more credit than it deserves, it should be clear what the zombies can or can't do and why, if it wasn't the noise and if the zombies get more aggressive the more people they notice I feel like it would have happened way before the singing which further contradicts their own logic, and if it was them hearing the voices then why they were there acting all calm in the first place? Like is there a number of voices needed for them to lose their shit? They were relatively calm before the singing so to me it reads as if they just don't like songs which is hilarious if it's true. 

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u/Glalev 3d ago

The issue isn't with the noise, the helicopter is fine for example, it's the constant loud noise with an obvious unmoving source. Zombies are dumb, but their reaction to sound is 'move towards' so they try to follow helicopters. The speakers the singing is comming from, though, aren't moving so all the zombies running at it gradually pile up.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

Sure but how does that make it dumb for the people to sing at that moment? They didn't know, only Brad knew and that's what I'm asking, in the context of the movie is not like they knew not to sing and they did it anyways. The whole movie was dumb but what annoys me is that some people (like OP's post) frame the singing as the dumb part when logic was thrown out of the window since way before that.

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u/Glalev 2d ago

Oh I'm not commenting on that plot point on its merits. I'm only pointing out why the helicopter wasn't a problem (it moves) as opposed to the singing (doesn't move) which was, as far as in-universe explanation goes. By all reasonable metrics, the movie is a terrible adaptation of a book I quite enjoyed.

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u/Molotov003 2d ago

The book is amazing, I guess that's why to me triying to figure out the logic behind the zombies in this adaptation feels like giving the movie more credit than it deserves, it should be clear what the zombies can or can't do and why, if it wasn't the noise and if the zombies get more aggressive the more people they notice I feel like it would have happened way before the singing which further contradicts their own logic, and if it was them hearing the voices then why they were there acting all calm in the first place? Like is there a number of voices needed for them to lose their shit? They were relatively calm before the singing so to me it reads as if they just don't like songs which is hilarious if it's true. 

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u/Korbiter 2d ago

Ita never used in history because you can't do it. Its physically impossible. Material physics means the soft and gooey zombie foundation would have given way long before the Zombie ladder was any higher than half of what it needed to be. You literally, cannot pile human bodies that high. Hell, you can't even pile clay that high without the foundation trying to viscously escape.

The Zombie ladder cannot be defended against, because it breaks all known laws of material physics, or that Zombies suddenly gain tungsten bodies when under pressure

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u/fake_geek_gurl 2d ago

To be fair to the movie, the zombies in the book also defy material physics whenever it's plot convenient.

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u/Heimerdahl 3d ago

The movie doesn't mention it, but there have been small outbreaks throughout history in the setting (detailed in the book's predecessor). So it's not entirely unreasonable that when Israel decided that this was a real threat and started construction of the wall, they would have looked for the records (including for example a Roman legion facing the undead in Britain (or maybe Germania, can't remember). In the movie, they get some info from that military camp in Korea. 

One clue that they in fact had some idea is the height of the wall. 

If you assume that you're dealing with regular zombies, who don't do the piling up, you'd have no reason for your wall to be higher than maybe 3m or so. 

Then you could cover a much larger area, could create multiple layers of defense, etc.. 

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u/Havengul_Undying 2d ago

Movie is entirely unrelated to book and cannot be used as cannon for the movie.

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u/BorgDad42 2d ago

Fun fact, the author of the book, Max Brooks, is Mel Brooks' son. When I got my copy signed around 2010, I asked him what his dad thought about it all, and he said he'd write the answer in my book. When I looked, he'd written "My dad's just glad I have a job". 😅

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u/Separate_Bed_2615 2d ago

Ants do it all the time.  Not just ants but tons of bugs do this

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u/Yeoldeelf 2d ago

Fair point, the 10th man didn't have all the info. 

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u/Early-Ad4131 2d ago

I mean, that supports the theory that the wall wasn't perfect if they don't even know what it's defending against.

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u/how_me_a_frog 2d ago

An overhang is a pretty basic feature for a defensive wall. We have known this since forever.

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u/PhoenixApok 3d ago

Just another part of how the movie butchered the source material

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u/Here_to_rp_2 2d ago

I mean it did work until Brad Pitt went inside.

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u/Puzzle-Necked 2d ago

Survivors in a zombie apocalypse when the main character shows up for the first time

https://giphy.com/gifs/yuDPTeq06pwxcqwvRC

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u/xdeltax97 3d ago

It’s another reason why the book was 1000% better, which had Romero style zombies without super speed and fast transformation bullshit

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u/NCRNerd 2d ago

The zombie pyramid is kinda bullshit, since after a certain height the ones at the bottom should have been getting turned into paste by the weight of the ones on top and slip-slip-sliding the rest of the pile along on the carpet of gory lube. Plus no concertina wire or rim up top? Just dumb all around. No parapet? Extra dumb.

Plus no way the wave dispersal pattern of that speaker was louder than a chopper. Idiotic writing and multiple gimmies needed to make the story work, when there's supposed to be only 1 gimmie in "near reality" or "gritty" stories. Which, in WWZ's case is "zombies exist".

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u/Key-Cry-8570 2d ago

I feel a perfect defense would have involved firebombing all the hordes of zombies before they could even get close to the wall.

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u/Mister-builder 2d ago

Then you just have fire zombies.

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u/Sanquinity 2d ago

This one always baffles me. When you build a large wall, why not...at least have an outward slope or some kind of overhang at the top? When I used to play 7 days 2 die, and first noticed there were spider zombies that could climb walls, and that zombie corpses could pile up, the first thing I did was put an overhang on my walls. It's just the very basics of defending against such an attack.

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u/Sure_Fly_5332 2d ago

But in WWZ, its fine! She said 'it's okay' before she started singing.

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u/mihael_ellinsworth 2d ago

In the old days, castle was said to be imprenetrable, best defense against anything all-around. Well, that until Trebuchet was invented.

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u/Kitchen_Safe6405 2d ago

As the one historian would say "Wheres your ditch?" The most simple resource free defense. They could've excavated a couple large deep ditches and even take them out while they're down there.

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u/Time_Transition4817 2d ago

Or have a wall with a no-go zone for civilians behind it to keep quiet. Also better to keep clear for military operations

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u/gicjos 2d ago

I always remember Ned Stark telling his sons that a wall is only useful if you can protect it

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u/thepvbrother 2d ago

First step? Build a moat. It can be a dry moat. Pile everything you dug up on the inside of the perimeter, pack that down, and build your walls on top of that.

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u/EmeraldDream123 2d ago

I don't even care about the singing what pisses me off is that NOBODY NOTICES.

Just put a couple of guards on the wall and the whole disaster probably could have been avoided.

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u/Then-Mechanic-1099 2d ago

It was a huge deviation in the novel. Israel (later called Unified Palestine) managed to secure their border from the undead literal weeks before zombie apocalypse although a civil war between the government forces vs Orthodox Jews happened but they managed to quell the insurgency.

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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 2d ago

It was. At no point wall was brought down. Some just walk over it and infected people inside (at least that is what I remember), so Israel should still be perfectly safe, they just have to wipe out 1 city next to a wall.

Also propably nobody thought that this would happend as it was physicly impossible. Zombies should be crushed under their own weight.

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u/Fetid_Baghnakhs 2d ago

Now i will say warhammer space marine 2 has given me an advantage in this regard. But i fwel like the concept of "chuck an explosive into the big fucking horde of zombies that are all climped together" would be a pretty universal concept. Or just. Start shooting. The ladder would fall. Did they really not consider this at any point? Fuckin dumbass movie lmao.

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u/Korbiter 2d ago

Also, since the Zombieladder is made of human bodies, its physically impossible. The bottom bodies would have been crushed to muck way before the ladder was half as tall as it needed to be. There is no physical way to pile human bodies that high, the pressure alone would force the 'foundation' to give way long before. Its like trying to make a ten storey tall ladder using jello with no reinforcement: the bottom would turn liquid and flood away.

The wall is the perfect defense, the wallmakers were just unaware the Zombies could break literal material physics and turn their bodies to tungsten when crushed.

Also, what were the patrol choppers doing? This was their entire purpose, and they just hovered there looking smug.

This is one of those scenes they made just to make the movie look cool (it shows because they keep using it for marketing)

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u/NightFire19 2d ago

zionist propaganda unfortunately