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u/37025InvernessTMD 1d ago
Superb shots! I love these style of shots.
Film captures far more emotion that digital IMHO.
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u/fragilemuse @fragilemuse 1d ago
Shit, these are all so amazing. You have a serious talent for this type of photography.
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u/space_rhinos 23h ago
Amazing photos reminds me a lot of the opening scenes of the film La Haine. Truly spectacular work.
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u/idemandpasta @yeahokaycolin 1d ago
Arizona caca? In Belgium?
What am I missing?
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u/DandyLullaby 1d ago
The coalition of the current political parties is called the arizona coalition.
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u/DandyLullaby 1d ago
It is cause the colors of the parties involved are in the Arizona state flag.
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u/aagjevraagje 1d ago
Pfoe you really have to know your aardrijkskunde to follow Belgian politics
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u/DandyLullaby 1d ago
I can just imagen the journalists scrolling through flags to pick the nickname for the coalition… what about the Comoros flag?
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u/DC8008008 1d ago
in Spanish that's Arizona shit lol
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u/Manonono_ 1d ago
And that’s exactly what it says in French too ;)
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u/jofra6 23h ago edited 21h ago
Kind of, caca is a normal word for poop in French, while it is considered very impolite in Spanish.
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u/DandyLullaby 23h ago
The person could even be Spanish, Brussels is very multi cultural with a lot of expats and immigrants from all over the world especially in the European district
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u/abcdefghijklnmopqrts 21h ago
I wouldn't say it's ''normal'', it's very childish but not particularly vulgar (that would be ''merde'')
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u/jofra6 21h ago
Reread what I wrote. Caca in Spanish is roughly analogous to merde in French. Yes, technically Spanish has mierda, but it's much stronger than a normal « merde ».
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u/abcdefghijklnmopqrts 21h ago
Yes, let's have a heated argument on reddit about different slang terms for feces. Seriously though, I don't see why you think we disagree? I wasn't arguing that caca is not vulgar in Spanish.
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u/Gillennial 1d ago
Congrats these are really good!
I tried to capture some picture during the same protest using a vintage ENG camcorder, I couldn't get anything remotely as good as your work here.
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u/kushoida 1d ago
I think I was actually next to you at some point, under the roof next to the metro entrance, is it possible ?
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u/Gillennial 1d ago
That’s possible. I remember seeing an analog camera at some point 🙃
Let me know if you see yourself somewhere in these footages: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DeSvo7NIIDl/
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u/Tight-Classroom4856 1d ago
Crazy pictures! The round police shields are so vintage!
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u/shadefreeze 18h ago
I'm confused considering I'm Belgian. These are standard equipment, depending on the need. There are all sorts of shields.
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u/mark_hor 1d ago
What is the context of the 4th image? Who are the people in the helmets, and why do they (seeming to be civilians) have people detained?
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u/RevelsInDarkness 1d ago
They are not civilians, but police. The orange band around their arm has a blue and white logo on it, which is the official logo of our Belgian police force.
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u/hitekris 1d ago
Yo, these are amazing. The first frame would make any photog worth their salt jealous.
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u/Danebensein 1d ago
Honestly a very depressing subject. The close-up on the burning pile of bikes is peak post-European big city bleak.
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u/Erwindegier 1d ago
Do you wear a press jacket? You’re right in the middle of the violence
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u/kushoida 1d ago
No press jacket but it’s not a warzone, a visible camera tells enough
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u/Logan_MacGyver 1d ago
What were they about?
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u/Various_Sleep4515 17h ago
Young people realising that things never change. These kinds of protests are once a decade.
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u/Logan_MacGyver 15h ago edited 15h ago
Last year they were weekly in Budapest. But the energy was more let's bring some beers and a Bluetooth speaker and chill. No energy'
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u/shadefreeze 18h ago
Omg "press jacket" as someone from Belgium this is crazy to me 😅 this is just protest gone too far.. It's ironic cause this is what America should have looked like after all the shit the government has put people through. We just protest a lot, and unfortunately, sometimes that comes with extremists that start destroying everything they can.
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u/Anon_Acad 1d ago
Great work!
An incidental query: at what threshold of violence does it make sense to stop calling it a protest and more along the lines of vandalism and terrorism?
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u/kushoida 1d ago
There’s a deep feeling in the youth of not being listened to and considered by politicians. It’s a mix of anger, pessimism and nihilism. You can see it spreading in Europe.
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u/Takahashi-2030 1d ago
Spreading in Europe? Spreading everywhere you mean. Ah yeah, not in China and RuSSia, because when you open your mouth over there, you spend the rest in your life in jail, until you die from some form of “pneumonia”.
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u/michownz 1d ago
Wtf is this bullshit? All this is, is an anti western movement. The youth doesn't care at all about "not being heard".
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u/Weak-Assistant5335 20h ago
you can’t expect the youth to keep protesting peacefully if the government only listens when the protests hurt them in their wallets
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u/grav0p1 1d ago
I have one for you: how much oppression would you tolerate before resorting to violence?
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u/debackerl 23h ago
There is oppressed is many African states, there is in Russia, in Belarus, there was in Hungary. I'm Belgian myself, there is nothing defined by 'oppression' here.
Far left people feel oppressed in a liberal state, and liberal people feel oppressed in a far left state. But it's not real oppression as stated above. I'm not entering politics in this sub, just trying to give a neutral view without taking one side.
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 20h ago
This is Belgium, a liberal democracy with a strong rule of law. These people are not being oppressed in any way, you clearly have no clue what's going on or any conception of what actual repression looks like. Source: I'm Belgian myself, born and raised.
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u/AJ__2003 18h ago
Makker ik weet niet of je dit beseft maar dergelijke protesten beginnen niet met brand en vernieling. Er wordt niet geluisterd en de regering hun austeriteit blijft keer op keer het geld zoeken bij de armen, de werkende mensnen broodnodige openbare instelling of sociale veiligheidsnetten. De begroting zou in 1 jaar gedicht kunnen worden als we gewoon stopten met Francken zijn nutteloze speeltjes te geven
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 17h ago
Dat is nog altijd niet hetzelfde als onderdrukt worden. Er zijn verschillende manieren waarop mensen hun ongenoegen kunnen uiten, waaronder (sociale) media, verkiezingen, jezelf verkiesbaar stellen, emails aan je vertegenwoordigers, vreedzame protesten op straat, staken, etc. Die dingen zijn allemaal legaal. Brand en vernieling is niet legaal, en het is niet omdat mensen hun goesting niet krijgen dat dat plots verantwoord is. Er zijn nu eenmaal moeilijke beslissingen die genomen moeten worden, en die beslissingen worden genomen via democratische spelregels waar elke burger invloed op kan uitoefenen en een mening over mag uitdrukken. Dus om te spreken van onderdrukking is absurd.
Moesten politici en politie de wet niet meer respecteren, moesten vreedzame betogers massaal in de gevangenis gestoken worden, moesten er geen verkiezingen meer zijn, of geen vrije meningsuiting meer, dán mag je spreken van onderdrukking, en dán kan je geweld, vernieling en brand eventueel verantwoorden in de naam van democratie.
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u/AJ__2003 17h ago
De wet is niet enige indicatie van moraliteit en wat juist of fout is. De onderdrukking in veel Naties door hun staat is per definitie wettelijk maar niet moreel. Illegaliteit is geen goed argument om acties te verantwoorden op moreel vlak (denk aan extremen zoals verzet tegen de Nazi's etc)
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 17h ago
Terecht punt dat de wet niet de enige indicatie van moraliteit is. Maar in een goed functionerende democratische rechtstaat - wat België nog steeds is volgens internationale benchmarks - is de wet wel een zeer belangrijke indicator van moraliteit. Het hele concept van een liberale democratie is net om moraliteit vast te betonneren in (grond)wetten, en individuele rechten van mensen onvervreemdbaar te maken. Die wetten en rechten zijn er zodat conflicten opgelost kunnen worden en rechten verdedigd kunnen worden zonder geweld. Pijnlijke of onpopulaire beslissingen nemen is niet hetzelfde als onderdrukking, zolang de democratische normen goed blijven functioneren. Ik ben zelf geen voorstander van de beslissingen die de regering maakt, maar die beslissingen vereenzelvigen met onderdrukking vind ik te ver gaan. En mensen mogen gerust op straat komen, maar niet om andermans eigendom te vernietigen. Want dat is zowel illegaal als immoreel.
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u/shadefreeze 18h ago
Americans wont go this far even when they mess with their elections.. We do this when the price of bread goes up 😅
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u/-some-dude-online 20h ago
“You clearly have no clue what actual repression looks like. Source: I’m Belgian myself, born and raised”
This is the funniest shit I’ve read all day.
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 20h ago edited 19h ago
Yeah ok that came out wrong lol. I meant about not having a clue what's going on here. In another comment OP was casting doubt on my claim there was no oppression going on, so I felt compelled to point out I'm from there.
Edit: but your comment confirmed my point, it's ridiculous to claim that the Belgian government oppresses its citizens. Thank god we don't know what actual repression looks like.
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u/AJ__2003 18h ago
Het respons op veel protesten en de steeds verslechterende materiele condities van de onderste lagen van de samenleving zijn onderdelen van de repressie. Dat jij deze niet voelt of direct meemaakt wil niet zeggen dat die er niet zijn
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 17h ago edited 17h ago
Er zijn veel kanalen waarbij elke burger zijn of haar ongenoegen kan uitdrukken zonder dingen in brand te steken. Er is bovendien geen overheid die bewust die materiële condities creëert, of die de wet overtreedt om burgers het zwijgen op te leggen.
Ik wil niet ontkennen dat materiële condities verslechteren voor veel mensen, maar dat onderdrukking noemen is gewoonweg niet correct.
Edit: daarbij, de respons komt er niet op de vreedzame protesten, maar op de gemaskerde mensen die rel komen schoppen. Schandalig, want daar zijn de echte betogers de dupe van en dat brengt hun terechte grieven in diskrediet.
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u/AJ__2003 17h ago
Welke rechten of consessies zijn oprecht volledig verworven via officiele staat gesanctioneerde kanalen? Denk je echt dat het weekend en vrouwenrechten bijvoorbeeld door brave bedeesde vredevolle burgers verworven zijn?
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 17h ago
Ja. Bij de arbeidersbeweging is zeker geweld aan te pas gekomen, maar om te zeggen dat geweld doorslaggevend was is niet correct. Arbeiders zijn zich beginnen organiseren in vakbonden, partijen en mutualiteiten, en hebben via massamobilisatie en electorale druk concessies kunnen afdwingen. Ik zou net zeggen dat concessies pas gekomen zijn nadat de socialistische beweging zich is beginnen houden aan de democratische spelregels en het systeem van binnenuit heeft veranderd, in plaats van revolutie te prediken. Sociaaldemocraten, niet revolutionaire communisten hebben voor die sociale verworvenheden gezorgd.
En bij de vrouwenbeweging is net helemaal geen geweld te pas gekomen, rare bewering.
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u/blackglum maxfairclough 1d ago
None. How’s that working out for anybody that does?
These people aren’t oppressed. They have access to the west. They are hooligans looking for an excuse to riot.
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u/grav0p1 1d ago
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u/Greebo-the-tomcat 1d ago
Not saying a lot of people aren't struggling, but they're not oppressed.
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u/grav0p1 22h ago
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u/Red_bellied_Newt 1d ago
Terrorist is a political term, so whenever the government wants.
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u/BelgianBeerGuy 1d ago
Call it vandalism
People have the right to protest, and they should if they think it’s justified.
But this shit is helping nobody.
Politicians don’t care if a rando’s store is put on fire and robbed because of “acab”.
If you go somewhere and you have to hide your face, everyone knows you’re gonna do shit that isn’t correct.IMO, this isn’t protesting, this is vandalism.
(Those 90% of the good guys protesting peacefully, they have my respect, those other shits, they can rot wherever)
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u/-some-dude-online 20h ago
You clearly were not present. When you see multiple policemen beating on a single young small female protestor your urge to break stuff kind of intensifies.
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u/BelgianBeerGuy 19h ago
Weird flex to start breaking stuff when you see a woman in distress instead of trying to help her in a non violent way
But hey, you do you.
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u/Gillennial 1d ago
I was there on that protest, filming the events. Police was systematically blocking all the exists except one, one that was filled with tear gas. If you wore protection, they consider you as vandals, if you complied to having your face and lungs burned then you could proceed to the next gas trap. That happened to all the people who weren't protected by syndicated crowd, so as soon as the brightly coloured crowd was gone, the police would start gazing everybody else.
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u/flannhell 17h ago
When the time comes, you will find yourself wanting to do more than stand around holding a sign or tick a box on a ballot
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u/donnismamma 1d ago
Depends on how hard these kids are being squeezed by the government. In this case it's an appropriate response given the circumstances.
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u/No-swimming-pool 1d ago
Oh we're already way past that point.
These people don't have anything to do with the protest, they just want to break stuff.
As for the protests, it's sad that stuff gets more expensive, but that's usually the case after uncontrolled overspending.
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u/camu_photo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Depends on the skin color of the participants and whether or not it actually has any potential to scare rich people. Either way, I don't think we should be talking about politics here, photography has always been apolitical, and we should keep it that way.
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u/Natural-Break-2734 1d ago
Ye keep politics out of it please there are subs for this. Belgian subs are non stop debates about this. The pictures are beautiful btw
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u/Spyk124 1d ago
Politics in your photo journalism? No way !
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u/camu_photo 1d ago edited 1d ago
We're talking to people whose idea of a great photo is a gas station shot on 800T lol
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u/GoldenEagle3009 1d ago
Belgium? You wouldn't say from these photos.
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u/SeenB4 1d ago
So you're a Belgian that never went to Brussels then?
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u/GoldenEagle3009 1d ago
Sadly I have been. However bad it may be, it usually doesn't quite look like this.
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u/Zamzamazawarma 1d ago
You're stating the obvious, sadly mfs from the other side of the pond will see this and think this is what a normal day looks like in Europe.
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u/discokilledfunk 1d ago
That first pic is hard. Dude in sheisty and fire going on in the background.
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u/camu_photo 1d ago
These are great, especially 3 and 10! I like that you didn't include any photos in which the protesters are clearly identifiable (they're ofc primarily responsible for their own OpSec but this is still neglected by most protest photographers). It's sad that the comments are filled with bootlickers lol.
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u/Strawglobe73 1d ago
I see they take matters into their own hands and are now making things better by... demolishing. Up fact.. after the protest Brussels will look even more like the country their parents came from. Its all nostalgia.
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u/Antarcaticaschwea 1d ago
unreal. I cannot imagine. photography has never been life threatening for me. beautiful photographs
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u/Andres_is_SwEaTy 1d ago
De boel afbreken en in brand steken noem je niet protesteren, maar relschoppen en vandalisme
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u/ceruleanstones 1d ago
A.k.a, a protest. Protests include more than merely peaceful protests. If it didn't, calling a protest peaceful would be redundant
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u/DoktorBohr 1d ago
Normally when protests descend into burning infrastructure and/or people's possessions they are called riots. For example, the LA riots, Watts riots, Paris '68 riots, the Paris riots of 2005, etc. Reluctance to apply the term to the movement depends on one's political investment in the group participating.
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u/Goobylul 1d ago
Protest and riots aren't the same thing bud. Protests are peaceful by definition.
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u/Economy_Hair_1275 1d ago
It was exclusively Belgians. And they were right to protest. Fuck our government and how they treat our kids
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u/Apprehensive-Bar6595 1d ago
this right here is a photographer