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u/AshleytheTaguel Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

To be fair, Star Trek wasn't a result of perpetual progression. There was an apocalypse first.

It's also important to note how a lot of the whole neoliberal ideals of perpetual progress and the end of history have some roots in classist sentiment and the necessity of moral luck. The political pendulum is always going to swing and the solution to a better world is to lift everybody up. We are not free until we're all free.

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u/USSMarauder Aug 12 '26

A WW3 so destructive it apparently killed all organized religion, killed capitalism, and left English as the only language regularly used around the globe

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u/Tekuila87 Aug 12 '26

Isn't that what the universal translator is for? They're all speaking whatever language they know and understand each other fluently?

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u/Oboro-kun Aug 12 '26

I might be wrong but I seem to recall universal translation is pretty recent, like post first encounter with the vulcans, and by that point it seems we mostly spoke English 

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u/Tekuila87 Aug 12 '26

They only showed very little of the post WW3 world and that was in the former United States.

Them speaking English isn't really out of the question then, no?

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u/Daxx22 Aug 12 '26

Well the reason for English is the context of it's a show meant for English speaking watchers.

Technically they could be speaking whatever language that became dominate, but it is accurate to say there is a dominate "Human" language that the Federation speaks. By natural extrapolation of English being the dominate language today for most international interactions, it's a natural assumption.

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u/fumar Aug 13 '26

Which show do they go into some of the post ww3 stuff? I assume it was Enterprise?

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u/Tekuila87 Aug 14 '26

I mean first contact did.

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u/AbeRego Aug 12 '26

I think that was invented for aliens. In one of the reboots, the translator is shown doing a relatively primitive live translation of an alien speaking, implying that it was new tech in Kirk's time.

We also know that Picard is French, but speaks English with a British accent. The cannon explanation for that is that French died out as a regularly spoken language, and British English spread into Europe.

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u/Tekuila87 Aug 12 '26

I hadn't remembered that in the original series, thank you for bringing that up.

Starfleet academy and HQ are located in San Francisco so I still think majority English makes sense.

English is also already one of the most used languages in the world. I can see it going that way to be honest.

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u/AbeRego Aug 12 '26

I'm not sure how the original series handles the translator; I've only seen a handful of episodes. I'm sure it's mostly just used to explain how they can speak with all these different aliens without issue

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u/lpmiller Aug 12 '26

it's basically magic till it's not, but canon explanations came much later, a lot in TNG, more in Enterprise.

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u/summonsays Aug 12 '26

And the Russians invented everything.

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u/micromoses Aug 14 '26

Zefram Cochrane doesn’t sound like a Russian name…

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u/summonsays Aug 14 '26

Ah well, you must be mistaken. His second cousin was my great great great grandmother's fifth cousin twice removed! 

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u/ChamferedWobble Aug 13 '26

WW3 started in 2026 in the Star Trek universe…

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u/Dadpurple Aug 12 '26

I mean.... some of that doesn't sound too bad right now, maybe we're onto something?

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u/Gellert Aug 12 '26

Eh, it all made sense in the good old days when the Eugenics Wars were part of the cold war, Cochrane gave the Vulkans warp drive and WW3 rendered Earth effectively lifeless while Earths colonies watched in horror.

Then ST:First Contact happened...

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u/__nohope Aug 12 '26

Starfleet speaks "federation standard" which seems to just be English, but never fully specified in canon. Although I would imagine English in 200+ years is going to be a wee different, at least conversational English. I propose an English language reform. Modify vowel sounds by modifying the vowel character instead of suffixing words with an E. End the GIF debate by eliminating soft Gs. Find a better purpose for the letter C than being either a K or an S in disguise. Get rid of "ph". Make the same combination of vowels make the same sounds in each and every word.

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u/gsfgf Aug 12 '26

Though they're actually wrong about their history, and the "war" was a global mass delusion that involved dancing in front of their primitive Communicators.

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u/ParticularUser Aug 12 '26

And there was an utopia first in Warhammer 40k.

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u/dogs_gt_cats Aug 12 '26

Darn you Horus!

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u/Gellert Aug 12 '26

Waaay earlier than that. The Emperor starts his crusade because the lead up to the birth of Slannesh ended the true golden age of man.

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u/DefiantLemur Aug 13 '26

Now let's not pretend that the horrors of the Age of Technology didn't exist during that time period. There was definitely really messed up shit going on that made the Imperium look great by comparison in many places.

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u/Ragnarok314159 Aug 13 '26

Slaanesh being born ushered in the Vaseline age of man.

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u/MorganWick Aug 12 '26

Yeah, the elites were only able to delude themselves into thinking society was progressing because what it was really doing was marginalizing those that didn't subscribe to their values.

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u/morpheousmorty Aug 13 '26

Yeah, any plan that involves an apocalypse first will not end with a eutopia. If the pandemic taught me anything it is people do not rise to the occasion.