Reminds me of the time my aunt (Vietnam vet) was looking at a new gun at home, and tried "dry firing" it. It was loaded. She thankfully only put a hole in the floor.
Yep, this is why I ALWAYS stress to keep everything unloaded at all times and follow gun safety... the amount of pain si.ple mistakes cause is just... ugh
A loaded gun is loaded. An unloaded gun is loaded. A disassembled gun is loaded. The rubber band gun you found in the toy chest in grandma's attic is loaded. Every gun is always loaded.
I've never heard about treating a disassembled gun as it were loaded. The way I was trained was once the slide and barrel are removed from the grip you basically have 3 distinct chunks of plastic and metal, and safe to clean at that point
For someone like you who has had sufficient training, this is correct. For any regular or casual people interacting with guns, they need to have a mindset that all guns are always loaded.
Lost 2 classmates of mine before high school due to people treating loaded guns as though they were unloaded. Shit's serious.
The original draft of my comment included a joke I've heard before, "a disassembled gun is maybe unloaded. Maybe", but I didn't like the flow. This flows better, the joke (the overzealousness re: the rubber band gun) is more obvious, and I figure that telling laypeople something that results in them exercising more caution than strictly necessary is fine. If you don't know enough about firearms to know that a disassembled gun is safe to clean, then you don't know enough about firearms to know if the gun is completely disassembled and you should treat it as loaded.
Very true, wasn't sure where the joke began in your comment. I was afraid new best practices had started being taught since I was trained, i like to keep up to date.
Very fair. It's not a best practice as far as I know, but it's been a hot second since I've done any training so I suppose it could have changed. I doubt it, though.
I don't know the details, its not something I want to pry on with his family. I just know he went to clean his gun and at some point it had discharged.
Probably using something like this. The rods connect and you push the brush down the barrel from the end to clean it. But if the the gun is loaded you can push the bullet back onto the firing pin and fire it.
I was taught in my licensing gun safety course to clear every firearm you put hands on, even if you just watched a trusted friend clear it themselves. And muzzle/trigger discipline at all times of course.
You are right there is nuance. My grandparents, who don't have to worry about children (no more young grandkids left, and great grand kids are a few years away at least) keep their guns more accessible to access quickly (not loaded, and still away, but not in a safe hidden, I believe they keep a pistol in a bedside drawer with the amo next to it). But that nuance can be lost on people very easily(the average person isn't very smart) and it's so much better to be overly safe than to think your doing enough and to have an accident happen.
THIS IS REDDIT WE MAKE GENERALIST STATEMENTS EVERYBODY MUST FOLLOW.
GUNS AND AMMO DONT MIX!
SOMEWHERE AN IRRESPONSIBLE PARENT LEFT OUT A GUN AND AN EQUALLY IRRESPONSIBLE CHILD TOOK IT!
SOMEWHERE ELSE SOMEBODY KILLED THEMSELVES TRYING TO CLEAN A GUN, HOW COULD THEY HAVE KNOWN THE GUN WAS LOADED BEFORE THEY POINTED IT AT THEMSELVES IT’S AN IMPOSSIBLE ASK! WHEN I CLEAN A GUN I ALWAYS LOOK DOWN THE BARREL AND PULL THE TRIGGER!!!
Medications make the home even less safe, about six-hundred people die from accidental firearm discharges, while about 75,000 people a year die from accidental medication overdoses both prescription and non-prescription.
Sounds like we need to regulate medications even further, require people to go through a background check for purchasing medications, maybe buy a license too.
Why is it gun chuds never have beyond a 7th grade understanding of statistics? Drownings happen SO MUCH MORE around water, why haven't we looked into it? While we're at it, car accidents are almost always near the road, COINCIDENCE? You can't compare shear volume of occurrence, we're talking about the RATE of occurrence.
You or someone in your home is more likely to die by your own home defense gun than you are a home intruder.
I was, and again you bring forth your in depth 7th grade understanding. Half the US population don't live with a gun, and of that half even less have one for home "defense". We can pretty safely assume everyone takes medication at some point in the year.
You are not this dumb, you're just stubborn. I'm not here to teach you basic math.
Oh please, I'd never support a pedophile. Nothing was debunked, you picked 2 pieces of information that have nothing to do with what the argument is about and are incapable of figuring it out on your own, so why should I help you.
This is why I hate that some striker fired firearms require you to pull the trigger for disassembly vs. some others require you to cycle the slide & thus empty the chamber just in case
There's a reason the first things you check are always the chamber and if relevant magazine, and until and every weapon is carrying Schrödinger's cartridges—until you've actually persoanlly, yourself, confirmed their presence/absence you cannot safely assume anything. They are always loaded unless proven otherwise.
Then even when you've proven otherwise you still treat them as loaded to the greatest extent allowed by whatever activity you're engaging in with the firearm, because it's good habit and mistakes happen.
Honestly I dont know too much about it. She went through training like other soldiers but never deployed to a combat position. I think she spent most of her time in places like Saigon doing support work.
Assuming you're from the US, Australia, or New Zealand, that's because women weren't even allowed in combat roles until the 21st century (2016 for the US, 2013 for Aus, and 2007 for NZ). But despite that they were still required to go through firearms training, so that they could effectively defend themselves in the event that their deployment did get attacked by enemy forces.
Thats on her for "dry firing" it though. The first lesson of gun safety is always assume a gun is loaded and treat it as such. Everyone should know that
She doesn’t know that all guns are loaded. You could look in the chamber, see no bullet, realize no bullet has ever been in any kind of proximity to that firearm, but its still loaded
oooh and me when my dad was loading his .30-06 large bore in the kitchen (????) and it blew a hole through the fridge, popped all the light bulbs and landed in a jar of PB in the pantry in the room behind the fridge.
This is why matches have a "safe handling area" where ammo isn't anywhere near, and why the administrators immediately have contestants unload and show clear after a stage.
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u/gualdhar 25d ago
Reminds me of the time my aunt (Vietnam vet) was looking at a new gun at home, and tried "dry firing" it. It was loaded. She thankfully only put a hole in the floor.