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u/Galrentv 14h ago

Something people seem to miss consistently is sexual vulnerability. Up skirts, wardrobe malfunctions, posing and phrasing are all used to make female characters appear as sexually available and reciprocal as possible. Shirtless buff men doesn't touch that at all

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u/Cosy-Little-Goblin 13h ago

That's because shirtless buff men are for the men in a power fantasy kind of way and the vulnerable half naked women are also for men in a sex fantasy kind of way. It's all made for the male gaze.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 9h ago

And the female gaze is like "we want sensitive, vulnerable lean muscular men with without *too much* muscle.😇"

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u/Theory89 7h ago

It's quite hard to draw "sensitive" and "vulnerable".

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 7h ago

Just give him soulful eyes and a quivering lip.

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u/whatevernamedontcare 8h ago

You can say skinny on reddit.

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u/HabaneroPepperPlants 6h ago

Nah slender strong and skinny are different things

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u/Throwaway28222222 6h ago

Lean? Get that shit away from me

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u/Galrentv 13h ago

That's why BL focuses on vulnerability

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 9h ago

Yeah, but the men in that are so far away from real men. It's not really "sexualizing men".

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u/DepressedDynamo 8h ago

That makes no sense. The men being fictional means it doesn't count as them being sexualized..?

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 8h ago

It's not that their fictional, it's that they barely resemble real men at all, and the artists and fans of that stuff don't use real men as a template for it.

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u/whatevernamedontcare 8h ago

That's exactly how sexualization works. Look at sexualized women. None of them look like women real or act like it. It's pure sexual fantasy set aside from reality.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 7h ago edited 7h ago

Well, yes, but when the guys who love anime girls are disgusted by real women and their imperfections, people think it's weird.

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u/SapphicPandoraBox 6h ago

People also think the fujoshis are weird. Dude youre trying to pull a double standard that doesn't exist.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 6h ago

Right, but that other comment said "BL focuses on vulnerability" like it was an example of sexualizing men "the right way".

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u/NotTheFirstVexizz 8h ago

Yea a lot of “this is how we should sexualize men” examples confuse me, and I don’t know if it’s because progressive people are frequently queer and a lot of people against the constant sexualization of women are women, but a lot of it just seems like people sexualizing flat chested women labeled as men instead of men.

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u/369122448 8h ago

You can't really divorce desire like that from culture; most of how we understand sexuality, and even beauty generally, is informed by thousands of years of women being a sexual commodity while men weren't.

So when you now have people wanting to sexualize men, you're left in an odd spot where that's not really been a concern for men for a long time; women were the ones who had to perform historically, with their actual interest in men not really being considered.

Lacking a language and cultural history of sexualizing men, people will often default to the visual language we do have for sexualisation; that of women's.

Add onto that, sensualization, though technically unisex and applicable broadly, had also been largely applied to women, and so can feel feminine as well.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 7h ago edited 7h ago

It's like what Elaine on Seinfeld said-"The female body is a work of art. The male is utilitarian. It's for getting around. It's like a jeep."

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u/Fourteen14XIV 10h ago

THIS THIS THIS SO MUCH FUCKING THIS! Scant clothing doesn't have the same purpose on women and men, so everyone saying "see how men dehydrate themselves for movies" doesnt work cause they are doing it for different reasons while pandering to the same demographic.

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u/BalanceImaginary4325 9h ago edited 9h ago

Is golden kamuy Good reference, research material to do good fan service for women??

They have a male character chest so big to the point button on his Shirt broke? And Hotpot scene

If you’re curious, search golden kamuy on YouTube specifically the hot spring and hot pot scene?

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u/Reasonable_Yam_327 8h ago

Accidentally watched the piss scene and it convinced me to watch it

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u/BalanceImaginary4325 7h ago edited 7h ago

As person who watched all 4 seasons I hope you like watching sus scenes of Buff men doing stuff to other buff men

Also You’re gonna learn a lot of stuff about the ainu culture

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u/Reasonable_Yam_327 7h ago

Im gay

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u/BalanceImaginary4325 7h ago

You’re gonna love The manly buff men fan service of series alongside the comedy and historical Learning experience

As person who loved the series I’m going to say it’s really good and highly recommend it