Yeah a lot of people in this thread are just mind numbingly stupid. "But women think shirltess men are hot too??"
Kind of telling that men in this thread are so used to women being goon bait characters that they cannot comprehend the idea that being hot is not the same as sexualization.
Women can be attracted to buff shirtless men, but buff shirtless men usually still get proper characterization. They don't exist solely as a sex object in the media in question, they are an actual proper well-fleshed out character, not some himbo fan service character for women. I don't know why people have a hard time grasping this difference.
To add on a little something I noticed too; when they are (the male characters) portrayed as purely “goon bait” and not have proper characterization, it’s almost always because it’s a satire of female characters always being sexualized, and not actual sexualization on the same level as those female ones. A little difficult for me to put it into words, it just feels like it’s played for a joke with men, but with women it’s just… the artists comfort zone? I don’t think it’s necessarily on purpose, just easy to fall back to and easy to keep doing instead of trying and potentially failing to be compelling (or even respectful at times)?
I’ve been watching Kaiju No 8 and I think they actually do this pretty well. Hoshina has a scene where he’s training in secret and you can see him outside of his uniform. He’s a lot more buff than you would expect, but they don’t hyperfocus on it, they just let it be. They show him looking hot, doing hot stuff, but he also has a character. He isn’t just there to be the boss or show off his body. It’s something that happens rarely and I think it’s a great example of female gaze fan service. You get lots of characterization, a reason to like him as a person, and every once in a while you get a little visual treat.
The only critique I have is that Mina hasn’t really been given much characterization in the anime yet (I haven’t seen the whole thing) She’s very mysterious and doesn’t talk much but Kafka’s primary motivation is to be by her side. Why? The anime is actually interesting enough for me to keep watching to find out.
As a bisexual woman, I would love female characters that are hot AND interesting. I just can’t get into a character that’s a walking pair of tits. If you want to make a sexy female character—go for it! But don’t let that be all she is 😭
This makes me think of Genshin Impact. There are plenty of female characters that were fan-servicy outfits but they still get good characterization. I don't think it's as bad as you might assume. I haven't seen enough media to know if all the "sexy" female characters get treated with respect...
I love that when you said that I genuinally couldn't tell what specific anime you were talking about surely a power like that would narrow it down a bit
I would just like to say, stories that do that usually don’t write their men well either, or even have an above average story for that matter. (I’m not arguing against what ur saying, they definitely still get characterization, I’m just saying it’s usually not very good 🫡)
I think yall are fighting over something that Ingraded in our biology and for that its pretty stupid subject to talk about like it was a cultural thing that could be changed.
Yeah I agree its common courtesy. But its clear this discussion it about how we can change the urges to its roots or something. They gonna be there. How its gets handled is on both the shower for feeling freely dressed and the viewer for controlling their desires, but it is on both regardless of gender.
It’s not common courtesy. I just don’t get turned on every time I see him naked and vice versa. Because our naked bodies aren’t inherently sexual. You are talking like a rapist. Like of course if a woman’s naked body is shown it has to turn you on. But Not every possible sexual stimulus is always a sexual stimulus in every instance.
This is cultural. I can guess what culture geographically/socioreligiously you grew up in just by how you’re talking. But the rest of the world (including some of your own countrymen) DOES NOT think that way.
I mean. A lot of this is that men think that their idea of what is sexual are uncontrollable, when they’re determined by your viewpoint. Your cultural viewpoint.
If a boy is raised in Florida, he won’t see a swimsuit top and shorts as sexual. If he’s raised in puritan North Dakota, or the Middle East or Southeast Asia, he will. If you only see women naked in sexual scenarios, you’ll get turned on every time you see them. Which isn’t normal. Not every naked time is sexy time. It’s mostly getting changed or cleaning up time.
It’s just that men tend to think that how they view women is determined by their biology and it’s not. Society and culture teaches you how to deal with those urges AND WHEN TO FEEL THEM and the people who make you feel them.
Guess our genders are different. I was getting hard on from seeing girls in barely bikinis before I even knew there was 2 established sexes. I never knew why till I grew older. Thats all the proof I need to know how everything works. And just throwing the word rapist around doesnt make u more right btw. We are different to the biological level, and all your social justice vendetta wont change that. Best we can do is improve our morals instead of fighting thw wrong fight, and ps i feel bad for ur significant other. To be wanted as much as you want the other in every way not just sexual is pure bliss. Accommodations seems like a seed of relationship failures
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u/thebagelslinger 6h ago
Yeah a lot of people in this thread are just mind numbingly stupid. "But women think shirltess men are hot too??"
Kind of telling that men in this thread are so used to women being goon bait characters that they cannot comprehend the idea that being hot is not the same as sexualization.
Women can be attracted to buff shirtless men, but buff shirtless men usually still get proper characterization. They don't exist solely as a sex object in the media in question, they are an actual proper well-fleshed out character, not some himbo fan service character for women. I don't know why people have a hard time grasping this difference.