r/massachusetts • u/HAV816 • 1d ago

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Question 9 is a veto referendum on the 2024 gun law (Chapter 135): a NO vote repeals it. But here is what does not change either way — Massachusetts still requires a license to own or carry, and safety training to get one. Repeal the law and the pre-2024 rules remain, among the strictest in the country: licenses required, safety training required, sales tracked, red-flag petitions in place.

The 2024 law adds burdens on lawful owners — serialization requirements, expanded bans, a real-time registry — without creating the training standard. Training was required before this law, and it stays required whether the law is repealed or not.
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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Plenty of leftist people agree with Toby.

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u/bad_squishy_ Central Mass 1d ago

I’m pretty far left and I agree with Toby. I want universal healthcare, climate change addressed, equal rights for all, and common sense gun control, but this bill ain’t it. It’s a shit show. I think it needs to be repealed and rewritten entirely.

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u/king_hutton 1d ago

Go far enough left and you get your guns back.

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Most leftist agree with you.

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u/Impossible_Sphinx 1d ago

I'm having such a hard time deciding how to vote because the bill is so lengthy and confusing, and people on both sides are making such dire claims. Even my gun-owning liberal husband is undecided.

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u/bad_squishy_ Central Mass 1d ago

It’s a very poorly written and not very well thought out bill. We had excellent gun control before this. It can’t hurt to make them go back to the drawing board imo.

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u/Equal_Audience_3415 1d ago

You can make them go back to the drawing board, but leave this intact before correcting it.

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u/wreckedbutwhole420 1d ago

That is not how lawmaking works, especially in MA.

If this doesn't get voted down, they are not going to correct it.

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u/Equal_Audience_3415 1d ago

Rewrite it, then replace it.

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

I love how this is your solution. They won’t do it. They will keep this in place if it isn’t repealed. How do I know this? We voted for an audit we still haven’t gotten yet.

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u/king_hutton 1d ago

Under no pretext!

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Um what? There are several organizations that are left leaning that support a no vote on this law. Get out from under your rock?

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u/king_hutton 1d ago

You’re completely misunderstanding what those 3 words mean in this context, but I’m sure those organizations understand.

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Love cryptic Reddit commentators.

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u/king_hutton 1d ago


“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”.

It’s a very common phrase among leftists.

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u/GWS2004 1d ago

Plenty of "leftist" people are really far right.

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u/HackedVirus North Shore 1d ago

Im way further left than you bud, and im voting no on 9. Get your head out of your ass.

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Or maybe they aren’t? Why is it always so black and white with you people?

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u/Theor_84 Greater Boston 1d ago

What do you mean by "you people"

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Hard headed liberals who thing they’re for people but are only for themselves?

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u/Equal_Audience_3415 1d ago

Plenty is kind of strong, but that doesn't make the Civil Rights Coalition any less far-right.

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

You’ve done nothing to prove it’s a far right organization.

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u/Equal_Audience_3415 1d ago

Look it up.

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u/Nipple-Less_Cage-6 1d ago

Read the replies to your comment.

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u/Equal_Audience_3415 1d ago edited 1d ago

The American Civil Rights Coalition is Ward Connerly's conservative, anti-affirmative action organization based in Sacramento, California. It shares the same address as the American Civil Rights Institute.

I used Sourcewatch.org for this information.

Ballotpedia also volunteered this information, though it did look as if the conservative part was recently scrubbed.

Edited to add: Ward Connerly is MAGA and considers himself a "Super Patriot" just like White Nationalists.