r/movies • • Aug 17 '26

Spoilers Has any sequel successfully pulled off a hero's heel turn into villainy? Spoiler

Plenty of standalone movies have a character fall from grace, or be revealed as a villain all along, but this rarely happens with an established character in a sequel. On paper it's a solid twist because you've already grown to trust that character in previous films, but it's really hard to pull off without feeling like a betrayal of a character arc. The Mission Impossible series has one that was received very poorly, and the only reason I hear about Pacific Rim Uprising these days is people talking about how unearned the heel turn from one of the characters felt.

I struggle to think of an example where it was done successfully in a movie. There's more examples in TV I think since there's a much longer time to build a change in a character over multiple seasons, so I'm not really considering those. Since it did start with a movie series, though, and there really isn't too much of an extended character arc given in the show, the example I can think of that kind of works is Sharon Carter in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It was still super underdeveloped and it doesn't seem like they're going to do anything with it, but I can at least track the betrayal logic since there was kind of a meta angle about how that character had been forgotten by the movies. But even that's rather clunky.

I'm also talking specifically about situations where it wasn't clearly telegraphed by the source material or the rest of the franchise. Anakin becoming Vader was already known to the audience, for instance. I'm on the fence about whether something like Dune counts, since it's in the source material and the first two films are kind of just one long movie. I'm particularly interested in situations where it clearly wasn't the plan in the first movie but was written into a sequel.

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u/rnilbog Aug 17 '26

And in Death Wish 9 he wishes he was dead. 

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u/Snarkyforlife Aug 17 '26

“I wiiiiiiiiish I was dead”

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u/Ofreo Aug 18 '26

No dice.

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u/dphamler Aug 18 '26

This ain’t ova

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u/SupaKoopa714 Aug 17 '26

It was nice how they wrapped it up in the last movie, Death Wish 12: Wishing for Death, when 103 year old Charles Bronson is blowing out the candles on his birthday cake, uses his birthday wish to wish for death, and then all of a sudden a nude supermodel bursts out of the cake dual wielding solid gold 1911s and blows his head off.

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u/ShahinGalandar Aug 18 '26

one of the movies of all time

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u/ScreenTea0 Aug 18 '26

Don't forget Death Wish X - In space

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u/pipian Aug 18 '26

Tag line: You can't wish if you can't breathe

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u/Veggiesaurus17 Aug 19 '26

I’ve spent way too much time upvoting all of these comments 😂

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u/HarveryDent Aug 18 '26

How many wishes does this genie give out anyway?

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u/globefish23 Aug 18 '26

And in Death Wish 19, Kersey still looks fake.