r/ValueInvesting • • Aug 24 '26

Discussion [Week 26 - 1990] Discussing A Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter (Almost) Every Week

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Full Letter:

http://theoraclesclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1990-Berkshire-AR.pdf

Letter Only

https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1990.html

This week we will go over their investment into buying $400M of junk bonds as well as Buffett’s thoughts in retrospect on the Junk Bond craze of the 80s. His surprise at the economics of the newspaper business rapidly degrading as new technologies and advertising channels open up to businesses, some with better results. Finally the purchase of 10% of Wells Fargo for $290M. Then as usual we go through the stock holdings, segment-by-segment EBIT earnings of the company, and then the larger overview for the year.

Not included in my post are the annual summary to shareholders, most of the look-through earnings that give a few paragraphs on their major business segments (we only cover Buffalo Evening News) although some highlights are in my summary at the end. A long rundown of the insurance segment. Though ⅔ of the Marketable Securities segment is included, the one on their Convertible Preferred Stocks and the mistakes outside sources make in valuing them as well as the philosophy behind holding them. The usual advertisement for acquisition targets, and plans for the annual meeting. Ken Chase being replaced on the board by Susan Buffett. The letter is ended with an unpublished satire by Ben Graham “US Steel Announces Sweeping Modernization Scheme” where instead of improving the business a bunch of extreme accounting tricks are used to change the EPS from -$2.76 to +$49.80.

If you want to read or discuss anything in that second set feel free to read the letter yourselves and comment on it.

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Key Passage 1

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Marketable Securities - Junk Bonds

Our other major portfolio change last year was large additions to our holdings of RJR Nabisco bonds, securities that we first bought in late 1989. At yearend 1990 we had $440 million invested in these securities, an amount that approximated market value. (As I write this, however, their market value has risen by more than $150 million.)

Just as buying into the banking business is unusual for us, so is the purchase of below-investment-grade bonds. But opportunities that interest us and that are also large enough to have a worthwhile impact on Berkshire's results are rare. Therefore, we will look at any category of investment, so long as we understand the business we're buying into and believe that price and value may differ significantly. (Woody Allen, in another context, pointed out the advantage of open-mindedness: "I can't understand why more people aren't bi-sexual because it doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night.")

In the past \we have bought a few below-investment-grade bonds with success, though these were all old-fashioned "fallen angels" - bonds that were initially of investment grade but that were downgraded when the issuers fell on bad times. In the 1984 annual report we described our rationale for buying one fallen angel, the Washington Public Power Supply System.

A kind of bastardized fallen angel burst onto the investment scene in the 1980s - "junk bonds" that were far below investment- grade when issued. As the decade progressed, new offerings of manufactured junk became ever junkier and ultimately the predictable outcome occurred: Junk bonds lived up to their name. In 1990 - even before the recession dealt its blows - the financial sky became dark with the bodies of failing corporations.

The disciples of debt assured us that this collapse wouldn't happen: Huge debt, we were told, would cause operating managers to focus their efforts as never before, much as a dagger mounted on the steering wheel of a car could be expected to make its driver proceed with intensified care. We'll acknowledge that such an attention-getter would produce a very alert driver. But another certain consequence would be a deadly - and unnecessary - accident if the car hit even the tiniest pothole or sliver of ice. The roads of business are riddled with potholes; a plan that requires dodging them all is a plan for disaster.

In the final chapter of The Intelligent Investor Ben Graham forcefully rejected the dagger thesis: "Confronted with a challenge to distill the secret of sound investment into three words, we venture the motto, Margin of Safety." Forty-two years after reading that, I still think those are the right three words. The failure of investors to heed this simple message caused them staggering losses as the 1990s began.

At the height of the debt mania, capital structures were concocted that guaranteed failure: In some cases, so much debt was issued that even highly favorable business results could not produce the funds to service it. One particularly egregious "kill- 'em-at-birth" case a few years back involved the purchase of a mature television station in Tampa, bought with so much debt that the interest on it exceeded the station's gross revenues. Even if you assume that all labor, programs and services were donated rather than purchased, this capital structure required revenues to explode - or else the station was doomed to go broke. (Many of the bonds that financed the purchase were sold to now-failed savings and loan associations; as a taxpayer, you are picking up the tab for this folly.)

All of this seems impossible now. When these misdeeds were done, however, dagger-selling investment bankers pointed to the "scholarly" research of academics, which reported that over the years the higher interest rates received from low-grade bonds had more than compensated for their higher rate of default. Thus, said the friendly salesmen, a diversified portfolio of junk bonds would produce greater net returns than would a portfolio of high-grade bonds. (Beware of past-performance "proofs" in finance: If history books were the key to riches, the Forbes 400 would consist of librarians.)

There was a flaw in the salesmen's logic - one that a first- year student in statistics is taught to recognize. An assumption was being made that the universe of newly-minted junk bonds was identical to the universe of low-grade fallen angels and that, therefore, the default experience of the latter group was meaningful in predicting the default experience of the new issues. (That was an error similar to checking the historical death rate from Kool-Aid before drinking the version served at Jonestown.)

The universes were of course dissimilar in several vital respects. For openers, the manager of a fallen angel almost invariably yearned to regain investment-grade status and worked toward that goal. The junk-bond operator was usually an entirely different breed. Behaving much as a heroin user might, he devoted his energies not to finding a cure for his debt-ridden condition, but rather to finding another fix. Additionally, the fiduciary sensitivities of the executives managing the typical fallen angel were often, though not always, more finely developed than were those of the junk-bond-issuing financiopath.

Wall Street cared little for such distinctions. As usual, the Street's enthusiasm for an idea was proportional not to its merit, but rather to the revenue it would produce. Mountains of junk bonds were sold by those who didn't care to those who didn't think - and there was no shortage of either.

Junk bonds remain a mine field, even at prices that today are often a small fraction of issue price. As we said last year, we have never bought a new issue of a junk bond. (The only time to buy these is on a day with no "y" in it.) We are, however, willing to look at the field, now that it is in disarray.

In the case of RJR Nabisco, we feel the Company's credit is considerably better than was generally perceived for a while and that the yield we receive, as well as the potential for capital gain, more than compensates for the risk we incur (though that is far from nil). RJR has made asset sales at favorable prices, has added major amounts of equity, and in general is being run well.

However, as we survey the field, most low-grade bonds still look unattractive. The handiwork of the Wall Street of the 1980s is even worse than we had thought: Many important businesses have been mortally wounded. We will, though, keep looking for opportunities as the junk market continues to unravel.

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The junk bond, corporate raiding craze has reached its peak. Buffett said a couple years ago that it would all come crashing down someday, and now it has. It was the practice of businesses issuing bonds at irresponsible rates that they had low chance of paying back, in hopes of doing massive leveraged buyouts of companies larger than themselves and refinancing the debt and stripping the company for assets once it was in hand. The RJR Nabisco buyout is now seen as the height of the mania, and now the bonds are paying for a fraction of their value, Berkshire has independently decided that the underlying business is now rather creditworthy and the bonds have been over-discounted. They believe the risk-adjusted returns are massively in their favor and they have bought $400M of the bonds.

Buffett has much to say about how the craze came about, the flawed logic that sounds quite similar to the later securitization issues that lead to the 2008 financial crisis (ex. a diverse enough basket of bad loans magically becomes a good investment) and denounces buying any of these securities at their issuance, but instead picking through the wreckage after it comes crashing down for the handful that seem promising. He says that many people used logic that applied to “fallen angel” bonds (investment grade at issuance and later became questionable) onto junk bonds (ones that were garbage from inception and depended on a successful and timely leveraged buyout and even then would be dragging down a larger company that never wanted them).

I felt it was good to include this for a few reasons, one is to highlight an important historical moment in the history of Wall Street, and how Berkshire was there waiting with a big pile of cash to profit off the wreckage. To highlight how almost no asset class should be below your radar, in fact the more detested it is the more likely there are to be good deals there (A common belief of Howard Marks who made a lot of money running a sub-investment grade bond fund). Finally to highlight the right way to go about doing it, finding the few diamonds in the rough instead of buying up the whole asset class, most of which crashed for good reason.

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Key Passage 2

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Non-Insurance Operations - Buffalo Evening News

Charlie and I were surprised at developments this past year in the media industry, including newspapers such as our Buffalo News. The business showed far more vulnerability to the early stages of a recession than has been the case in the past. The question is whether this erosion is just part of an aberrational cycle - to be fully made up in the next upturn - or whether the business has slipped in a way that permanently reduces intrinsic business values.

Since I didn't predict what has happened, you may question the value of my prediction about what will happen. Nevertheless, I'll proffer a judgment:While many media businesses will remain economic marvels in comparison with American industry generally, they will prove considerably less marvelous than I, the industry, or lenders thought would be the case only a few years ago.

The reason media businesses have been so outstanding in the past was not physical growth, but rather the unusual pricing power that most participants wielded. Now, however, advertising dollars are growing slowly. In addition, retailers that do little or no media advertising (though they sometimes use the Postal Service) have gradually taken market share in certain merchandise categories. Most important of all, the number of both print and electronic advertising channels has substantially increased. As a consequence, advertising dollars are more widely dispersed and the pricing power of ad vendors has diminished. These circumstances materially reduce the intrinsic value of our major media investments and also the value of our operating unit, Buffalo News - though all remain fine businesses.

Notwithstanding the problems, Stan Lipsey's management of the News continues to be superb. During 1990, our earnings held up much better than those of most metropolitan papers, falling only 5%. In the last few months of the year, however, the rate of decrease was far greater.

I can safely make two promises about the News in 1991: (1) Stan will again rank at the top among newspaper publishers; and (2) earnings will fall substantially. Despite a slowdown in the demand for newsprint, the price per ton will average significantly more in 1991 and the paper's labor costs will also be considerably higher. Since revenues may meanwhile be down, we face a real squeeze.

Profits may be off but our pride in the product remains. We continue to have a larger "news hole" - the portion of the paper devoted to news - than any comparable paper. In 1990, the proportion rose to 52.3% against 50.1% in 1989. Alas, the increase resulted from a decline in advertising pages rather than from a gain in news pages. Regardless of earnings pressures, we will maintain at least a 50% news hole. Cutting product quality is not a proper response to adversity.

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This is Buffett acknowledging that the whole newspaper industry is facing headwinds that he had not foreseen, that it is impacting the bottom line of the Buffalo Evening News, and that he believes it will get worse in the future and maybe won’t ever get better. As technology advances, advertisers have more channels to advertise, and those relying on newspaper ads are falling behind in market share to those using other methods. I would hazard a guess that this may be related to the near full adoption of color TV in American households by the late 80s. Families are now glued to their TVs, getting their news from them as well as their entertainment and being advertised to the whole time, and the advertisements are also much more flexible and powerful with color and video which a newspaper cannot provide.

A quick look-ahead shows that while this fall lasts a few years, they do eventually recover from the $43M EBIT this year not just to the $46M of last year but into the mid 50s before the Buffalo Evening News falls off the reports in 2000 as the spread of the internet lowers the prospects of the industry even further.

This is the first hint of modern technology making some of Berkshire’s former star players futures very uncertain. World Book is another one who is on a timer although Buffett has failed to notice it. This is different than textiles which died off to globalization, the same work simply being done elsewhere, instead this is an industry which needs to adapt or die and Buffett hasn’t always been a trailblazer when it comes to adapting to new paradigm changing technologies.

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Acquisition Stock Purchase of the Week

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Marketable Securities - Stock

Lethargy bordering on sloth remains the cornerstone of our investment style: This year we neither bought nor sold a share of five of our six major holdings. The exception was Wells Fargo, a superbly-managed, high-return banking operation in which we increased our ownership to just under 10%, the most we can own without the approval of the Federal Reserve Board. About one-sixth of our position was bought in 1989, the rest in 1990.

The banking business is no favorite of ours. When assets are twenty times equity - a common ratio in this industry - mistakes that involve only a small portion of assets can destroy a major portion of equity. And mistakes have been the rule rather than the exception at many major banks. Most have resulted from a managerial failing that we described last year when discussing the "institutional imperative:" the tendency of executives to mindlessly imitate the behavior of their peers, no matter how foolish it may be to do so. In their lending, many bankers played follow-the-leader with lemming-like zeal; now they are experiencing a lemming-like fate.

Because leverage of 20:1 magnifies the effects of managerial strengths and weaknesses, we have no interest in purchasing shares of a poorly-managed bank at a "cheap" price. Instead, our only interest is in buying into well-managed banks at fair prices.

With Wells Fargo, we think we have obtained the best managers in the business, Carl Reichardt and Paul Hazen. In many ways the combination of Carl and Paul reminds me of another - Tom Murphy and Dan Burke at Capital Cities/ABC. First, each pair is stronger than the sum of its parts because each partner understands, trusts and admires the other. Second, both managerial teams pay able people well, but abhor having a bigger head count than is needed. Third, both attack costs as vigorously when profits are at record levels as when they are under pressure. Finally, both stick with what they understand and let their abilities, not their egos, determine what they attempt. (Thomas J. Watson Sr. of IBM followed the same rule: "I'm no genius," he said. "I'm smart in spots - but I stay around those spots.")

Our purchases of Wells Fargo in 1990 were helped by a chaotic market in bank stocks. The disarray was appropriate: Month by month the foolish loan decisions of once well-regarded banks were put on public display. As one huge loss after another was unveiled - often on the heels of managerial assurances that all was well - investors understandably concluded that no bank's numbers were to be trusted. Aided by their flight from bank stocks, we purchased our 10% interest in Wells Fargo for $290 million, less than five times after-tax earnings, and less than three times pre-tax earnings.

Wells Fargo is big - it has $56 billion in assets - and has been earning more than 20% on equity and 1.25% on assets. Our purchase of one-tenth of the bank may be thought of as roughly equivalent to our buying 100% of a $5 billion bank with identical financial characteristics. But were we to make such a purchase, we would have to pay about twice the $290 million we paid for Wells Fargo. Moreover, that $5 billion bank, commanding a premium price, would present us with another problem: We would not be able to find a Carl Reichardt to run it. In recent years, Wells Fargo executives have been more avidly recruited than any others in the banking business; no one, however, has been able to hire the dean.

Of course, ownership of a bank - or about any other business - is far from riskless. California banks face the specific risk of a major earthquake, which might wreak enough havoc on borrowers to in turn destroy the banks lending to them. A second risk is systemic - the possibility of a business contraction or financial panic so severe that it would endanger almost every highly-leveraged institution, no matter how intelligently run. Finally, the market's major fear of the moment is that West Coast real estate values will tumble because of overbuilding and deliver huge losses to banks that have financed the expansion. Because it is a leading real estate lender, Wells Fargo is thought to be particularly vulnerable.

None of these eventualities can be ruled out. The probability of the first two occurring, however, is low and even a meaningful drop in real estate values is unlikely to cause major problems for well-managed institutions. Consider some mathematics: Wells Fargo currently earns well over $1 billion pre-tax annually after expensing more than $300 million for loan losses. If 10% of all $48 billion of the bank's loans - not just its real estate loans - were hit by problems in 1991, and these produced losses (including foregone interest) averaging 30% of principal, the company would roughly break even.

A year like that - which we consider only a low-level possibility, not a likelihood - would not distress us. In fact, at Berkshire we would love to acquire businesses or invest in capital projects that produced no return for a year, but that could then be expected to earn 20% on growing equity. Nevertheless, fears of a California real estate disaster similar to that experienced in New England caused the price of Wells Fargo stock to fall almost 50% within a few months during 1990. Even though we had bought some shares at the prices prevailing before the fall, we welcomed the decline because it allowed us to pick up many more shares at the new, panic prices.

Investors who expect to be ongoing buyers of investments throughout their lifetimes should adopt a similar attitude toward market fluctuations; instead many illogically become euphoric when stock prices rise and unhappy when they fall. They show no such confusion in their reaction to food prices: Knowing they are forever going to be buyers of food, they welcome falling prices and deplore price increases. (It's the seller of food who doesn't like declining prices.) Similarly, at the Buffalo News we would cheer lower prices for newsprint - even though it would mean marking down the value of the large inventory of newsprint we always keep on hand - because we know we are going to be perpetually buying the product.

Identical reasoning guides our thinking about Berkshire's investments. We will be buying businesses - or small parts of businesses, called stocks - year in, year out as long as I live (and longer, if Berkshire's directors attend the seances I have scheduled). Given these intentions, declining prices for businesses benefit us, and rising prices hurt us.

The most common cause of low prices is pessimism - some times pervasive, some times specific to a company or industry. We want to do business in such an environment, not because we like pessimism but because we like the prices it produces. It's optimism that is the enemy of the rational buyer.

None of this means, however, that a business or stock is an intelligent purchase simply because it is unpopular; a contrarian approach is just as foolish as a follow-the-crowd strategy. What's required is thinking rather than polling. Unfortunately, Bertrand Russell's observation about life in general applies with unusual force in the financial world: "Most men would rather die than think. Many do."

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This was probably the largest acquisition by Berkshire, the buying of 10% of a great bank at a fair price. As he says in the letter they only buy 10%, $289M because that is the most they are legally allowed to own. He says they view this as comparable to buying 100% of a bank 1/10th the size except without all the headache of needing to call the shots and find the managers, instead they are already in place.

He spells this out as a sort of “heads I win, tails I don’t lose much” situation. He runs the numbers on the worst case scenario the market fears, a natural disaster or real estate crash on the west coast of the US… He comes to the conclusion that even in the worst case scenario this is still a good price, and in any other scenario it is a great price.

He also gives some wisdom here on his general stock picking philosophy, that he views a stock he buys into dropping or failing to rise as a good thing, and it shooting right up as a bad thing. Even though many of us see it the opposite. It is natural to have a gut reaction to being proven right or proven wrong quickly by the market, to buy something and have it drop 20% and be scared from buying more. But he says we need to invert that instinct. That the price shooting right up means your window to buy a great business at a good price closed before you could take full advantage, and it dropping after you start buying means you will be able to buy even more than you thought with a lower risk and higher reward. This is also something he hammers home in the BPL letters, often after years of great gain he laments that he wished the stocks he was buying didn’t go up so he could have bought more of them and that in the long term the returns would have been greater.

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Common Stock Ownership

No. of Shares Company Cost ($000s) Market ($000s)
3,000,000 Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. $517,500 $1,377,375
23,350,000 The Coca-Cola Company $1,023,920 $2,171,550
2,400,000 Federal Home loan Mortgage Corporation $71,729 $117,000
6,850,000 GEICO Corporation $45,713 $1,110,556
1,727,765 The Washington Post Company $9,731 $342,097
5,000,000 Wells Fargo & Company $289,431 $289,375
Subtotal $1,958,024 $5,407,953
All Other Common Stockholdings $326,656 $351,268
Total Common Stocks $2,284,680 $5,759,221

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Segment by Segment Breakdown

Segment 1989 EBIT Earnings 1990 EBIT Earnings % Change
Insurance $219.20M $300.40M +37.04%
Fechheimer $12.62M $12.45M -1.35%
Kirby $26.11M $27.45M +5.13%
Scott Fetzer - Manufacturing $33.17M $30.38M -8.41%
World Book $25.58M $31.90M +24.71%
See’s Candies $34.26M $39.58M +15.53%
Buffalo Evening News $46.05M $43.95M -4.56%
Nebraska Furniture Mart $17.07M $17.25M +1.05%
Wesco Financial - Minus Insurance $13.01M $12.44M -4.38%
Wesco Financial - Insurance $14.28M $14.92M +4.48%
Mutual Savings and Loan $4.19M $4.10M -2.15%
Precision Steel $2.77M $1.99M -28.16%
Total Operating Earnings $393.41M $482.48M +22.64%

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Metric 1989 1990 % Change
Cash & Cash Equivalents $205.13M $247.02M +20.42%
Marketable Securities $5,261.60M $5,685.98M +8.07%
Return on Equity (RoE) 18.42% 18.68% +1.41%
Shareholders' Equity $4,925.13M $5,287.45M +7.36%
Earnings Before Investment Gain $299.90M $370.75M+23.62%
Realized Investment Gain $223.81M $33.99M -84.81%
Net Earnings $447.48M $394.09M -11.93%

*RoE not provided, manually calculated as (Earnings from Operations Before Taxes / [Shareholder Equity from prior year - Unrealized appreciation of marketable securities from prior year])

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As predicted last year, the gain in marketable securities wasn’t “real” gains, the market had a large pullback. Many of their marketable securities are now held at lower prices than last year, net earnings is down from last year. The realized investment gain is 84% lower than it was last year. The marketable securities is up 8%, or $424.38M, but between a $289M investment in Wells Fargo only $135M was real gains, the Coca Cola position was up $368M, so the rest of the portfolio had a performance of about -$233M besides Coca Cola.

Operating earnings was up 22.6%, Earnings before investment gain was up 23.6%. This is mostly down to the insurance segment having a great year, with EBIT earnings $80M more than the prior year which is just about the entire gap. See’s Candys and World Book also had double digit growth in earnings, everything else was down or single digit growth. The preferred metric, book value is up 7.4%, compared to the S&P 500 which returned -3.1% in 1990 this is still a good performance in my opinion.

Finally an even quicker lookthrough of the quick lookthrough earnings…

First a quick discussion of off-book earnings, when owned securities use their cashflow for anything except dividends it does not show up on Berkshire’s income statement but does make Berkshire richer, buybacks and capex give value to the business GAAP accounting doesn’t account for. Retail had a bad year but Borsheim’s did great (even though they hide their numbers from me), a discussion of the jewelry mailing system I mentioned last week is had here. NFM’s sales are up 4% and earnings 1% (Rose is now running a competing shop) and has set up a See’s cart in the shop which outperforms many of See’s full stores. See’s had slightly more volume but also increased prices and lowered costs leading to the 15.5% earnings growth, also a store was going to have its lease terminated but a letter campaign from customers changed the landlord’s mind. (See Key Passage 2 for Buffalo Evening News commentary). Fechheimer had a major retirement and although he says performance improved, earnings were flat due to “several unusual items” whatever that means. At Scott Fetzer, World Book’s decentralization is paying off even with lower volume, Kirby increased sales 20% but only increased earnings 5% as its production of its new model isn’t fully optimized, the manufacturing segment’s earnings are down 8% but we are just told its doing great and the air compressor unit had record sales.


r/ValueInvesting • • 5d ago

Weekly Megathread Weekly Stock Ideas Megathread: Week of October 12, 2026

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What stocks are on your radar this week? What's undervalued? What's overvalued? This is the place for your quick stock pitches or to ask what everyone else is looking at.

This discussion post is lightly moderated. We suggest checking other users' posting/commenting history before following advice or stock recommendations.

New Weekly Stock Ideas Megathreads are posted every Monday at 0600 GMT.


r/ValueInvesting • • 5h ago

Discussion If Nvidia bails out CoreWeave again, it reveals how deeply AI’s fate is tied to CoreWeave

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When CoreWeave's bond yields spiked on Thursday, Jensen Huang said, "Their cost of capital is actually decreasing."

That’s a pretty weird thing for a supplier’s CEO to say about a customer’s borrowing costs.

If Jensen Huang publicly defended major customers like Microsoft or Amazon, that would be understandable. They buy Nvidia GPUs at enormous scale.

CoreWeave, however, is only a second-tier cloud provider. Investors have been debating how much damage its failure could do to the AI industry. Yet Jensen's comments suggest that CoreWeave's financial health matters a lot to Nvidia..

If Huang steps in again to help CoreWeave get through its financing problems, that would tell us something important: Nvidia's growth is less robust and diversified than the market assumes. Even the financing problems of a tier-2 cloud provider seems critical to Nvidia.

So, if you're wondering whether AI stocks are still worth buying at these prices, I'd watch two things:

1. Neocloud bond yields

These companies borrow heavily to buy Nvidia GPUs and build data centers. If borrowing gets too expensive, they can't keep expanding at the same pace. And that could eventually hit demand for Nvidia's chips.

2. Model companies' valuations

They're further down the AI chain. Their valuations depend on how much money investors think they'll make from AI. If those expectations start to crack, it could become harder for them to raise money and keep spending on compute.

Forget the noise. These two indicators are all retail investors need to judge whether AI stocks are still worth buying at current prices.


r/ValueInvesting • • 2h ago

Discussion Will Google be largest valuation in a decade?

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The more I research Alphabet, the more I think it’s incredibly well positioned.

Google DeepMind is developing Gemini Robotics, an intelligence layer that could become the brain powering humanoid robots from multiple manufacturers. Essentially, the Android of robotics.

Then there’s YouTube. Even the BBC, Britain’s national broadcaster, has announced a major partnership with them. YouTube is just TV now. I could live without Netflix, no problem, but could I live without YouTube lol, no way. I’d literally pay $50 per month or more to have Yourube.

Then AI agents. Google has billions of users across Android, Chrome, Gmail, Maps, Photos and Search. Who’s better positioned to distribute AI agents almost instantly?

What am I missing? Do you agree?


r/ValueInvesting • • 10h ago

Discussion Anthropic debt-to-equity restructuring seems inevitable

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The Anthropic S-1 has revealed the dire financial situation that the company faces over the next few years.

They have ~$5B of revenue that cost ~$2.5 per $1 earned.

They have over $400B of non-cancellable contracts with Broadcom, Google Cloud, AWS and MS Azure.

They have also seen sequential growth dropping from 100% to 50% (ie constant revenue growth in $).

In the wider ecosystem, the debt capital markets have seen a deluge of AI-related bond offerings, over $500B. There is only so much debt that can be absorbed before yields starting rising dramatically, and we are already getting sketchy in corners of the AI-landscape (eg CoreWeave).

Let’s assume Anthropic raises $100B from their IPO and we’ll assume they pay $0 in fees.

That leaves a $300B shortfall, in a business that has revenue of $5B that cost ~$12B to generate.

The non-cancellable obligations are to: Broadcom ($160B), Google Cloud ($110B), AWS ($110B) and MS Azure ($30B). If Anthropic cannot pay these contracts, they will be functionally insolvent.

Let’s assume that Anthropic does become functionally insolvent. Their options will be bankruptcy or a (distressed) debt-to-equity restructuring. Restructuring would see existing shareholders diluted to ~0, and ownership split between their creditors according to the particulars, but let’s assume it’s split roughly in proportion to the remaining contractual obligations.

Broadcom, who would receive the largest share of Anthropic equity, probably do not want to own Anthropic because of their role as an independent hardware manufacturer. However, Google would—and Google Cloud has a long established relationship with Broadcom; it seems plausible that they could reach some agreement to swap Broadcom’s claim against Anthropic for continued TPU contracts. That would make Google Cloud the majority shareholder of Anthropic, with Amazon and Microsoft as minority shareholders.

I am still trying to reason through the potential consequences of a transaction of this nature. Anthropic represents an enormous amount of cloud compute demand, so their insolvency would likely have enormous ripple effects.

This is all predicated on the financial trap that Anthropic finds itself in. It should be noted that OpenAI is in a similarly dire position, and the fallout from their own financial trap would likely be happening within the same time period. That could complicate the situation further.

Assuming that Anthropic does become insolvent, I think that competition regulators will be the biggest hurdle to this takeover transaction.

I haven’t seen this spoken about elsewhere, so I am curious what other value-minded investors make of it. Almost guaranteed that there will be blood in the streets should it happen, though.

Disclaimer: I own GOOGL (~40% port) and AMZN (~5% port) shares.


r/ValueInvesting • • 10h ago

Stock Analysis TSMC’s world and we are all just living in it

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TSMC’s profit jumped 69%, reporting net profit of NT$763.06 billion, about $23.55 billion beating estimates yet again. Gross margin came in at 66.4% which was a little short of what I was hoping for. Capital spending guidance is rising, and overseas fabs are expected to dilute margins further compared to the highly efficient fabs in Taiwan. The surge in memory prices and other components involved within advanced chips is also a new challenge in maintaining margin without losing demand, however due to TSMC’s immense lead and domination within advanced chip making, their unmatched pricing power is really proving itself with how they are able to pass these prices on to customers, proven within their numbers.

TSMC is one of the best run businesses in the world. An incredible management, proven over decades, with the very best experts in their field and extremely efficient capital allocation when looking at their ROIC. My favourite thing about them is their independent/non rival nature. They do not compete with their customers in their customers markets at all. solely focusing on the manufacturing/foundry side of things, which is a huge advantage for two reasons.

Firstly, by not making their own CPU designs, GPU designs, HBM designs etc, all these companies can feel safe in handing over their best files/designs etc without the fear of having key secrets/info extracted to a competitor for their own potential benefit. Would Micron or SK Hynix want to rely on Samsung as their main manufacturing partner? Would Amd like to give over their designs to Intel for Manufacturing their GPU’s/CPU’s? The same applies to Nvidia too (Intel tried to crush Nvidia which Jenson has said himself in the early days) The comfort of handing over crucial IP to a partner who isn’t a potential competitor, is an under appreciated long term structural advantage for TSMC when looking at who the alternatives/their competitors are. Of course we see reports of things such as Nvidia potentially using intel for certain designs down the line and so on, but so far very little to suggest the principle of my point is invalid, more that they are so short on capacity with everyone relying on TSMC, that trying out alternatives is the only option.

The second huge advantage of focusing just on the manufacturing, is the specialisation and hyper focus in one of the most complex and capital intensive industries globally. Advanced chip manufacturing is extremely difficult, with huge, next to impossible barriers to entry for anyone at this point, including Hyperscalers. This is proven through poor yields for years from Intel/Samsung even with many billions of dollars of investment. Now that may change for them of course, in fact it seems likely, however what will TSMC be doing during this period, will they be standing still? They will be doubling down at a compounding rate that the other two competitors will not be able to compete with/match from a capital standpoint, an expertise & skill standpoint a scale standpoint and more.

Samsung competes at a high level in several key markets eg Memory, Phones, electronics etc. Intel also have their attention split with huge stakes and demand on the table within the CPU Market, which requires a lot of attention when competing against AMD and Arm based architectures that are being adopted by hyperscalers etc, and have reported better efficiency than x86 architecture. Both of these companies, who are miles behind TSMC to begin with, are supposed to catch up while also succeeding in all these other key markets of theirs too? With TSMC’s huge existing lead in every single metric from the workforce they have, to the scale, and much more, I just don’t see a world where they keep spending tens of billions every year on new fabs/more advanced future generations of chips and have any threat with it being their only focus. It seems the only sales they will lose, are the ones they won’t have the capacity to take on. Does any company have any incentive to chose Samsung or Intel as their partner over TSMC if supply was of abundance? I believe any progress the two competitors show, will dwarf the progress TSMC have during the same period due to the fact they can put all their time, focus, skills, capital etc into this one big area that they are already far superior in.

Stepping away from TSMC, something interesting happened this week in the memory market as Chinese memory chips are rattling Korea’s market. Ive been reading that China’s CXMT is advancing new memory designs, which have helped push South Korea’s KOSPI index down 9.0% in a month. The concern is substitution/increased supply to a Market which has been propped up on scarce supply. If a cheaper rival can match commodity memory, incumbents like Micron and SK hynix lose pricing power while altering the supply and demand mechanics in the HBM market, therefore bringing down memory prices. By how much is still very unknown so too soon to jump to conclusions but worth keeping an eye on. We will see how things play out and will be an interesting watch for sure. Definitely not an area I would feel comfortable knowing the outcomes off as an investor (HMB market)


r/ValueInvesting • • 9h ago

Discussion Who will join the MAG 7

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Let’s call it the Magnificent 9 (MAG 7 plus TSMC and Broadcom)

Looking across the entire stock market, which company do you think is most likely to become the next multi-trillion-dollar giant and join this elite group?

I’m thinking over a 5–10 year horizon, particularly as AI, robotics and automation reshape the global economy.

Which company has the strongest potential to become a dominant, multi-trillion-dollar business.

If you could pick just one company to join the MAG 9, who would it be and why? (For example AMD or even Palantir)


r/ValueInvesting • • 5h ago

Stock Analysis EMBC makes the needles people with diabetes use every single day, yet Wall Street is pricing it like it's about to go out of business

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Embecta makes the pen needles and syringes diabetics use every day. One ugly quarter in May torched the stock from the teens to single digits. The business still prints cash, it is paying down the debt it was born with, and it just bought its way into new products. At 4x earnings I think the downside is mostly priced in and the recovery is not. Base case $11, 3 year target $21. I am long.

The company. Embecta was spun out of Becton Dickinson in 2022. BD sent it into the world carrying a heavy debt load, so it has always looked ugly on the balance sheet even though the underlying business is boring and profitable. It is the global leader in insulin pen needles and syringes. Unsexy, repeatable, consumable demand.

Why it is this cheap (I am not hiding from it). On May 5 the company missed badly, cut full year guidance hard, and slashed the dividend to almost nothing. The stock dropped about 58% in a single day. The problem was real: weakness and share loss in the US pen needle market, which is the majority of revenue. That is the bear case, and it is why you can buy a profitable company at roughly 4x earnings today. The question is not whether the quarter was bad. It was. The question is whether one bad year permanently impairs a consumable medical supplier. I do not think it does.

The bull case.
The GLP 1 fear is overblown. The market treats Ozempic and friends as an extinction event for insulin. But people who stop GLP 1s tend to regain the weight, the trial data shows most of it comes back within a year of stopping, and the behaviors snap back with it. The "everyone gets cured" narrative is priced in and wrong.
Diabetes does not disappear. Type 1 patients need insulin for life, full stop. That installed base does not churn. Embecta sells the picks and shovels underneath it.
It is fixing the balance sheet and widening the moat. Management is deleveraging quarter after quarter, authorized a buyback, and closed the Owen Mumford acquisition to push beyond pen needles into broader drug delivery. Every dollar of debt paid down is value moving from lenders to shareholders.

Valuation. At $6.28 against this year's reduced earnings, you are paying roughly 4x. Historically this business earned well north of where guidance now sits. If US volumes stabilize and earnings recover toward prior levels over the next couple of years, even a modest re rate to a 7x to 8x multiple gets you into the high teens to low twenties. That is the $21. My nearer term $11 is just the market admitting the company is not going bankrupt. Neither number needs a miracle, they need execution.

Catalysts. Fiscal Q4 and full year results land in November. That is the first real read on whether US pen needles are stabilizing. After that: continued debt paydown, Owen Mumford contribution, and any sign coverage picks back up. Almost nobody follows this name right now (about 2 analysts), which is exactly why it can move fast when the story turns.
Risks (read these). The US share loss could keep bleeding. Management burned credibility with the May guidance cut, so the next guide has to be believed. There is active securities litigation tied to that period. It is a microcap, so it is volatile and thin, and it can gap both ways. Size it accordingly.

Position: Long $EMBC, 3 year hold.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1h ago

Discussion CVX Stock - A good hedge for Oil/War?

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Hi All,

My port is mostly Tech/AI and I was considering buying some CVX as a hedge if the Oil prices more or a full scale war breaks out. Maybe like 5% of my PORT.

BULL case: AI/Tech hedge from oil prices, High dividends , According to the CEO Deisel supply is contrained till 2027 so even if the war ends tmmrw the oil prices may not go down.

Also looks like we have drained govt reserves and crude oil refinery constraints in middle east/russia

BEAR case : A lot of growth is already priced in.

Any other bear cases? Also any opinons on if this is a good/bad hedge?


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Indonesian stocks dive 11% as MSCI weighs market reclassification; are there any high quality Indonesian companies that are undervalued due to this?

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r/ValueInvesting • • 1h ago

Investing Tools Looking for Value Investors to Test a Stock Screener I’m Building

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Hey everyone!

I’m a computer science student and value investor currently developing a stock screener designed specifically for value investing.

The idea is to automatically screen stocks in real time based on fundamental metrics and use AI to help evaluate potential undervalued opportunities. This works using a user inputted inject prompt to automatically give a rating. The idea is NOT to use AI to invest but to use AI to speed up the screening process.

I’m looking for a few value investors who would be interested in testing the platform, providing feedback, and helping shape its development.

I’m especially interested in hearing what features and metrics other value investors would find useful.

If you’re interested, feel free to DM me! I’d love to hear your thoughts and potentially get you involved in early testing.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion MAG 10, which to buy in this dip?

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With the recent sell-off, I’m curious where everyone sees the best value among the Magnificent 7 plus AMD, Broadcom and Micron.

Which of these 10 companies looks the most attractive at current valuations? And which, despite the dip, would you still avoid?

Interested in hearing people’s reasoning, particularly around AI growth, competitive moats and valuation.


r/ValueInvesting • • 16h ago

Stock Analysis DECK at $85.71: A better investment than AVGO, MU or NBIS

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I know Deckers versus Broadcom, Micron and Nebius is an odd comparison. They aren’t competitors. I’m comparing them because I have the same dollar to invest in one of them.
At Friday’s $85.71 close, Deckers trades at about 11.5 times the midpoint of its FY2027 earnings guidance. It had $1.6 billion in cash and no outstanding borrowings at the end of June. Over the last four reported quarters, it generated roughly $1.12 billion in operating cash flow after capital spending. Against its market value, that’s around a 9.6% cash-flow yield.

That doesn’t mean I’ll earn 9.6%, and no borrowings doesn’t mean no obligations. But it’s a good starting point. I’m paying for a business that already produces cash, with HOKA and UGG still giving it room to grow.

Broadcom is the hardest one to pass up. Its custom chips and software may turn out to be far better long-term businesses than footwear. I’d happily own it at the right price. I’m less comfortable with the expectations around AI spending and with the customer financing arrangement disclosed in its latest filing. The roughly $29 billion figure is a maximum contingent exposure if the racks are fully deployed, not a loss or a debt balance. I still have to account for it when judging the risk.

Micron may do very well while memory supply is tight. My problem is deciding what its earnings look like through a full cycle. A low multiple on unusually strong profits can be deceptive.

Nebius is an exciting business, but building AI infrastructure takes enormous amounts of capital. I want to know what existing shareholders will own after all the funding needed to build it.

Deckers has its own problem, and it’s one I don’t want to gloss over: in its latest quarter, sales rose 5.7% while operating profit fell from $165 million to $155 million. EPS barely rose, helped by a lower share count. If HOKA slows further, UGG weakens or inventory starts piling up, 11.5 times earnings won’t necessarily be a bargain.

My 12-month base case is $124.50, but it needs both higher earnings and a higher valuation multiple. If EPS reaches my $8.30 estimate and the multiple stays at 11.5, the stock would be worth only about $95.50. That’s a much less exciting outcome. My probability-weighted model gets just above my 40% return hurdle, so I’m not treating that number as a sure thing.
I prefer DECK for a two-to-five-year hold at these prices. Over ten years, Broadcom could easily be the better company to own. For now, I think Deckers asks me to pay less for cash flows I can already see.

Next week’s results matter. I’ll be looking at HOKA and UGG sales, inventory and operating profit before celebrating any EPS beat.
What am I missing: is the market overlooking durable brand earnings, or is it right to expect a bigger slowdown? Nevertheless DECKERS is a MUST BUY

Sources: Deckers’ latest results · Broadcom’s quarterly filing · Micron’s results · Nebius’ Q2 shareholder letter


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Humor Humor: congrats. This week we are gonna see a lot of new long term investors joining this subreddit.

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….. last week they were AI 0DTE traders.

(this joke will self-destruct in one hour)


r/ValueInvesting • • 20h ago

Discussion Since Coreweave has a majoy deal with Anthropic which secured the best junk rating, will this help Coreweave recover?

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This is a very good news for anthropic.

although KBRA (non-Big-Three) is generous here, if it was S&P, Moody's, or Fitch , the rating would likely be B+ to ccc.

still this is one of the only good news happened to anthropic lately.

i wonder if this helps coreweave


r/ValueInvesting • • 23h ago

Discussion I think AI could eventually destroy the terminal value of Adobe, Autodesk, and other design software

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I think AI-assisted reverse engineering of software will eventually kill the business model of companies like Adobe and Autodesk.

There are already hundreds of free alternatives to AutoCAD and Adobe's Creative Cloud. Look at Artcraft. One guy has managed to recreate near perfect versions of a huge range of professional design tools and release them for free.

As AI models improve, replicating increasingly complex software will only get easier and cheaper.

Over the very long term, I struggle to see how you can charge significant amounts for design software when anyone can reverse-engineer existing products, release free open-source alternatives, or simply have AI build the tools they need.

How do you assign a terminal multiple to a business whose core product might eventually be freely replicable?

I'm not arguing Adobe or Autodesk will lose their customers tomorrow. But stock valuations depend heavily on cash flows decades into the future, often assuming some form of perpetuity.

I don't think that assumption necessarily holds for design software anymore. And if there's no reliable perpetuity, terminal values should be considerably lower.

Am I missing something, or is the market seriously underestimating this risk?


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Gartner Report : AI Spends, and impact on Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon and Meta + neoclouds

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Hey Everyone!

I was reading up on the Gartner report that caused the neoclouds to selloff. I think it has ramifications on some of the companies with broader appeal like Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon and Meta

Gartner estimates AI providers will spend about $7 trillion on AI infrastructure between 2026 and 2030, and AI revenue over that period will only be about $3.6 trillion
I had a couple of questions:

  1. A big chunk of this spend sits with Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon and Meta. Do they actually have the capital to fund their share, probably $3.5 trillion or more, over the next few years? They are already at about $760bn this year, and I am not sure they have the cashflow to accelerate the buildout
  2. Gartner’s numbers assume spending accelerate. If business and consumer AI revenue doesn’t scale, won’t companies just slow down rather than overinvest by a few more trillion?

Overall, I understand the buildout isn’t yet generating a return, which is a fair callout, and we’ve known this for a while. I don’t think the Gartner report told us much that’s new. What do you guys think?


r/ValueInvesting • • 9h ago

Stock Analysis Coreweave Empresa "trampolim"

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Desde já bom dia/ boa tarde.

Pesquisando um pouco a fundo a coreweave dá para entender que a empresa foi um "trampolim" para a nvidia crescer receitas em relação aos concorrentes (AMD) e demonstrar uma demanda financeira "forte"...

O que acontece é que nesse processo a coreweave tem-se enterrado em dividas levando a uma divida gigantesca e perspectivando a uma divida ainda maior e irei explicar o porquê..

Os chips da Nvidia tem uma "Data de Validade" sendo que essa data é de 1/2 anos ,a primeira compra massiva que a coreweave fez a nvidia foi dos Chips H100 ,o que acontece é que muito provavelmente em 2027 ou 2028 irão ter que trocar esses Chips por uma versão atualizada o que levará que tenham que acumular ainda mais divida e assim sucessivamente.

Tendo em conta as expansões que andam a fazer na India e na Indonesia e noutros Centros de Dados ,estima-se que em 2027 ainda se irão endividar ainda mais..

Por mais que as receitas cresçam nao sei até que ponto até 2029 por exemplo vao começar a ter fluxo de caixa..

E isso leva-me a pensar que a nvidia comece a abandonar a coreweave e a arranjar outros parceiros estratégicos que a longo prazo poderão estar mais reforçados tal como a IREN ,alem da computação eles forncem serviços de IA fisica ,refrigeração Liquida e secalhar o gargalo da proxima fase,a energia.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Do you guys change your strategy when the VIX acts up? VIX ~20+

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VIX index just passed 22 - which signals elevated market fear, uncertainty, and increased expected price swings.

Do you adjust your strategy?

personally i keep an eye on it and buy when others panic, i've made more "easy" money this way in the past and will continue to do so.

(for the record i dont trade options, i buy and hold shares)


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis Why NVDA is HIGH RISK and not even close to a value

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It’s very simple. The companies CFO just acknowledged it. 25% of 2028 revenue is coming directly from vendor financing aka circular financing. For example, NVDA invest $2B into CRWV and commits to backstop CRWV to the tune of $6.8B. CRWV promises to buy $10B in NVDA GPUS. This shows up in NVDA forward guidance.

Where is the risk many might be asking?

Well, look at the neoclouds today. The credit markets are pricing them as HIGH risk sending their unsecured debt bonds to a yield of 15%. Credit spreads for their unsecured debt has blown out and because of the commitments NVDA has made to CRWV this hurts NVDA as well since ultimately it’s NVDA on the hook if CRWV fails. This is why Jenson Huang tried to do damage control when he said yesterday that CRWVs borrowing costs are actually coming down. That’s a CLEAR LIE but he has to say it because of NVDAs obligations to CRWV.

Now to be clear, not all of NVDAs vendor financing is done with this low quality/high risk clouds. So the forward revenue from those deals are likely much more stable. The issue is what percentage of the 25% of forward revenues from 2028 is coming from these high risk companies that are now coming under distress as their cost of capital soars?

There are parallels to the 2000 Dot com bubble. Lucent had also done circular financing to the point that 24% of their forward revenues was coming from companies it was directly financing. It’s all unraveled for Lucent and they went bankrupt.

Also, keep in mind that all of the hyperscalers are actively trying to diversify away from NVDA because they don’t want to be beholden to NVDA forever. People often mention CUDA without mentioning that hyperscalers are actively working on their own software to counter CUDA.

I think all of these major risks is why NVDA has essentially been stuck in a range.


r/ValueInvesting • • 5h ago

Discussion Should I sell now?

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I invested heavily in Amazon, Alphabet and Nvidia over the summer. I’m still up, but only slightly.

If we’re heading into a bigger correction, wouldn’t I be better selling everything Monday and buying back cheaper, say Alphabet at $300, Amazon at $200 and Nvidia at $200?

(And if all these YouTubers genuinely believe this is a major pullback and will go lower, why aren’t they selling their portfolios and buying back at the lows?)


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis Farmer Mac (AGM) - Specifically looking at preferred stock. Downside risks other than interest rates?

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I've been looking closely at Farmer Mac (ticker AGM). Specifically, it's preferred stock AGM.PRG since it's offering a 7.6% yield right now and is trading at about $16.40 a share offering about 52% capital appreciation to $25 a share.

From a safety of investment pespective, I'm struggling to see downsides to it.

That is, Farmer Mac is a government chartered/sponsored entity that focuses primarily on rural/agricultural investments. It has a $1.5 billion line of credit with the Treasury actually built into its charter/statutes that created it; and has implied backing of the U.S. Government, at least with respect to its loans/bonds. It's debt is treated as agency debt, meaning it's on-par with U.S. Government debt or one-notch below. I know the implied backing doesn't generally apply to stock of government sponsored entities - e.g., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - but just the fact it has some direct ties to the U.S. Government I would say puts it on par with the best banks.

Also, it's core business - supporting farmers and agriculture - is a respected industry that even gets bilateral support in Congress. In other words, in addition to having direct ties to the government, if solvency of farms and agriculture ever became a major issue in America then, presumably, Congress would bail it out. Indeed, there are already huge grants and subsidies in the law to support American farming and agriculture.

Additionally, it generally seems to be a business operated better than some of the best banks. That is, it's credit loss charge-off has never exceeded 0.10% in a single year; it's loan-to-value ratio is lower than most banks at about 50% LTV; and, even 2008 wouldn't have put it out of business based on its lending (although things did get a bit rocky for Farmer Mac is it owned Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac preferred stock and some Lehman brothers debt as assets; if it wasn't for those it would have been smooth sailing).

In essence, you're getting a well-operated bank that makes conservative loans, has some amount of direct backing by the U.S. government, and in an industry that if it ever gets real bad Congress will almost certainly support or bail out. All this and you're getting a 7.6% yield.

Can anybody shoot holes in this or tell me some real downsides? That is, other than interest rate risk - i.e., interest rates generally continue to go up making the value of the preferred go down; and single-line business risk in the sense that Farmer Mac is not diversified and is focused almost entirely on rural farming and agriculture; I'm struggling to see any major risks with Farmer Mac. Doing this as an exercise to see if there are real risks people can identify that I'm not seeing. Thanks.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Value dystopia picks?

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In my everlasting effort of finding good picks i’m thinking of allocating some of my portfolio to the (potential) decline of Western society. I know, profiting from people’s misfortune is cynical, borderline unethical. But this would also be my downfall so im profiting on my own misfortune which makes it OK, those little green percentages are going to be so nice when im senile af in a nursing home getting wiped in the ass by a NurseBot 3000 because there is no workforce left.

In my defense, most of these companies get paid to fix the problems, not cause them. And yes, i know everything is priced in, me writing this post is priced in, but there could be some genuine upside in the gloom... ri-right? Im swedish so there is some nordic tilt here, but maybe good diversification for some of you.

1. Everyone is getting old(er) and nobody is having babies - most clear cut thesis as its not a binary event simply where we are going based on data

Thesis: Longevity + fewer babies = worrying. Especially europe, eastern asia, meaning fewer workers, more retirees, more patients. The real crisis isn’t demand for care, it’s that nobody’s left to provide it.

Winners:

  • Attendo (ATT) / Ambea (AMBEA): Nordic elder care. Every year a new cohort turns 80, and they need somewhere to live. Demand literally grows on a schedule.
  • Ensign Group (ENSG): US skilled nursing operator and one of the quietest compounders out there. Same argument as Attendo/Ambea
  • Welltower (WELL): Senior housing landlord. Aging demand plus a bonus if rates ever come down.
  • Intuitive Surgical (ISRG): More surgeries, fewer surgeons. Robots fill the gap. Expensive, riskier with more upside.
  • Vitrolife (VITR): IVF consumables. People have kids later, so more need help. Stock is down 78% in 5 years and they’re buying back shares. Either a gift or a falling knife, you tell me.

2. Global warming and natural disasters (and ESG is so 2020 so could be some discount here)

Thesis: If we are not stopping climate change, i guess we adapt to it. People pay to stay cool, dry and powered no matter what politicians do.

Winners:

  • Trane (TT): Cooling. Hotter summers mean more AC, and nobody cancels the AC.
  • Kingspan (KRX): Insulation. Wins in heatwaves, cold snaps and building-code tightening.
  • Copart (CPRT): Salvage car auctions. Every hurricane and flood is basically a supply delivery. Kinda dark, but it’s a compounder.
  • Nibe (NIBE B): Swedish heat pumps. Hot summers mean cooling. And if the Gulf Stream weakens and the Nordics turn into Siberia, it’s heating. Wins both ways.

3. Skynet

Thesis: If AI goes full Terminator, my portfolio is the least of my problems. But the probable and dangerous middle scenarios are investable: AI-powered hacking, deepfake fraud, attacks on power grids.

Mitigants:

  • CrowdStrike (CRWD), Zscaler (ZS), Fortinet (FTNT): Aka cybersecurity winners. Not really value stocks. Already priced like winners, but guess one of the few benefiting from this.
  • Doom hedge: Canned food and a cabin.

4. Robots take our jobs

Thesis: White-collar replacement is already happening and mostly priced in. I work in PE/growth Equity and see first hand how good these models are at what i have spent my professional life learning (senior enough to not be replaced but who knows what 5 years ahead looks like, we might all need to go to plumbing school but thats also ruined by next argument). Blue-collar replacement via robotics is early but there is definitely going to be some sort of shift. +90% of humanoid robots are made in China right now but my swedish broker doesnt have them so listing some other options as well.

Winners:

  • Nvidia (NVDA) / Tesla (TSLA): not really for this forum but guess they are real potential winners.
  • Teradyne (TER): Owns Universal Robots, the collaborative arms that are already on factory floors.
  • Symbotic (SYM): Warehouse automation. Volatile as hell, but it’s replacing logistics labor right now.
  • Quanta (PWR) / EMCOR (EME): The galaxy-brain trade. Before robots replace electricians, AI needs electricians to build data centers. Peak irony.
  • UBTech (9880.HK): the relative-value pure play. Unitree’s STAR Market debut rerated the whole sector. Its IPO price valued it at 35.89x 2025 sales and 219x earnings. After the debut it was still worth about 357 billion yuan (~$53bn), nearly six times its listing valuation. UBTech trades at a fraction of that: a price-to-sales ratio of 18.2x on a market cap of about HK$42bn.
  • Sanhua Intelligent Controls (2050.HK / 002050.SZ): Picks and shovels argument. supply-chain checks still place it among the highest-certainty potential Tier-1 suppliers for Optimus actuators

5. Post-2028 America

Thesis: The midterms in November probably just mean gridlock. 2028 is the real policy event, and whatever got crushed under current policy has the most room to bounce if the next administration changes course.

Winners:

  • NextEra (NEE): The biggest renewables developer. Bonus points if rates fall.
  • Centene (CNC): ACA-heavy insurer. Hated, cheap, and very policy-sensitive in both directions.
  • Ørsted / Vestas: Offshore wind is about as hated as it gets. Small, long-dated lottery ticket.

Any looming disaster or big make or break event im missing? And if this doesnt fall out as terribly as i laid it out, then you get some stocks probably doing decently well and the rest of your portfolio still booms (but slightly below index - as per)


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis GPI Group 1 Automotive, Greg Alexander has 46% of his fund into it

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Group 1 Automotive, which is an automotive retailer that sells or leases new and used cars and light trucks, arranges vehicle financing, service and insurance contracts, automotive maintenance and repair services and sells vehicle parts retail and wholesale. They have 253 dealerships, 313 franchises and 32 collision centers in USA and UK offering 36 brands.

One liner Thesis: High margin parts and service buffers cyclical pressures, along with dealership acquisitions.

MOAT: Geographic clustering (logistical efficiency and cross sourcing as dealerships collaborate), high margin aftersales and service(vehicle sales get 6-7% but parts and servicing gets 50%+ margins) plus also aggressive hiring of skilled technicians, franchise protection and legal barriers (Car brands limit geographic proximity of competing same brand banner to protect dealer profitability, you cant just open a chevrolet or toyota dealer next to group 1 automotive like another new matcha shop), procurement and tech scale (they have the guns to acquire new dealerships while smaller guys dont got the muscle)

Recent News: Acquired Hennessy Automobile Companies in a 1.3 billion cash transaction in September funded by offering 1.25 billion in senior notes

Greg Alexander of Conifer Management has now a 9.7% stake in it and has demanded a board seat, additionally, Greg Alexander is one of three people Warren Buffett would trust to manage his money if he retires or passes away

The following is a quantitative summary (not so much of narrative) of their financials for the past 5 years annually. It is based on the book "How to pick quality shares" by phil oakley. Do note that the company has experienced a boom from 2019-2022 due to short supply of cars etc, so the figures will show a decline due to normalisation, but that will not excuse the past 1-2 years of declines.

Figures will go from left to right from 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. (Px%) means the book recommends this benchmark, like revenue should be increasing (P7%) if theres no recommendation it will not have (Px%)

ALL NUMBERS IN BILLIONS, ELSE IT WILL BE IN % OR OTHERWISE STATED

Go easy on me guys this is my first ever proper post!! :3

HEADLINE FIGURES

Profitability:

EBIT MARGIN (P10%) 6.68%, 6.72%, 5.6%, 4.92%, 4.25%

GROSS MARGINS 18.10%, 18.28%, 16.9%, 16.26%, 16.05%

ROCE (Return on Capital Employed) (P15%) 21.38%, 22.71%, 19.01%, 15.26%, 13.81%

Debt:

DEBT/TOTAL ASSETS (<50%) 49.39%, 49.7%, 50.06%, 53.26%, 56.71%

INTEREST COVER (>5, this is a ratio) 9, 6.65, 4, 3.45, 3.38

FULL RATIOS AND ANALYSES

PROFITABILITY:

Growing Revenue(Revenue Change YOY, starts from 2022) (P>10%) 20.33%, 10.17%, 11.53%, 13.25% Revenue growth is still okay

Growing Profits (EBIT) (EBIT Change YOY, starts from 2022) (P>Previous) 21.11%, -8.26%, -2%, -2.04% Profits have been actively shrinking, maybe due to normalisation

Is Revenue growing faster than cost of revenue?

20.33%, 10.17%, 11.53%, 13.25% vs 20.1%, 12%, 12.4%, 13.5% Nope. cost of revenue is growing faster than revenue

Is gross margins increasing? No.

Normalised EBIT should NOT be more than EBIT.

EBIT: 0.899, 1.094, 1.002, 0.959, 0.955

Normalised EBIT: 0.899, 1.097, 1.039, 1.009, 1.176

Woops, I guess its higher

DUPONT ANALYSIS:

Revenue: 13.48, 16.22, 17.87, 19.93, 22.57

Capital Employed: 4.21, 4.8, 5.26, 6.42, 6.95

Capital Turnover=Rev/Ce=3.2, 3.38, 3.4, 3.1, 3.25

Cap Turnover Weight (EM*CT or last year ebit margin x last year cap turnover) = 22.56%, 22.83%, 17.37%, 15.97%

Ebit margin Weight (CT*EM or cap turnover last year x this year ebit margin) = 21.52%, 18.91%, 16.71%, 13.2%

It appears Capital Turnover has more weightage, so thats usually a plus.

CASH FLOW ANALYSIS

Op cash flow/EBIT (P>100%) 140%, 54.13%, 19%, 60.2%, 71.88% uh oh

Capex/ocf capex ratio (<30% for low capex, if above its fine if high growth) 7.94%, 20.34%, 73.68%, 30.51%, 30.43%

Capex/Depreciation as a percentage (at least capex same or more than dep) 98.04%, 101.69%, 152.17%, 159.29%, 173.55% ooo

CROCI (Cash return on capital invested) (P>10%)

Nominal CROCI: 21.14%, 6.88%, -4.56%, 0.93%, 3.31%

Adjusted CROCI for acquisitions affecting FCF: -6.18%, -0.83%, -8.94%, -19%, -2.45% lol

FCFPS as a % of EPS (P>80% OF EPS) 169.26%, 45.02%, -41.45%, 13.01%, 74.42% dang

DEBT CHECKS

TOTAL DEBT/OCF ratio (P<3) 2.254, 5.661, 20.474, 8.864, 8.507

TOTAL DEBT/FCF ratio (P<10)

Nominal: 3.19, 10.12, -16.21, 87.17, 25.52

Adjusted for acquisitions affecting FCF: -10.92, -83.5, -8.28, -4.29, -34.53

Core long term debt is FIXED rate, though there are some floating rate debt

VALUATION

Cash profits (P>0 and increasing) = (net income + depreciation + noncash - maintenance capex)/weighted average shares = cash profits/wavg

net income: 0.55, 0.75, 0.6, 0.5, 0.33

dep: 0.1, 0.12, 0.09, 0.11, 0.12

noncash: 0.13, 0.146, 0.138, 0.143, 0.221

maint capex: 0.081, 0.096, 0.115, 0.149, 0.178

cash profits: 0.7, 0.92, 0.72, 0.61, 0.49

weight avg shares: 0.01429, 0.01368, 0.01328, 0.01271, 0.01216

cash profits/wavg: 49.2, 67.25, 53.99, 47.6, 40.21

CASH INTEREST RATE:

cash profit per share/current share price. compare it to US10Y or 10% charlie munger floor

40.21/$240=16.76% vs 5.13% US10Y quite an impressive yield, though this is all theoretical.

EARNINGS YIELD

EBIT/EV (P>10-15%) 0.96/8.56 = 11.21%

EV/EBIT (P<10) 8.56/0.96 = 8.92 theoretically undervalued

MANAGEMENT COMPENSATION

pay for performance model, annual short term cash incentives tied to hitting corporate kpi metrics. long term equity incentives are distributed through a mix of restricted stock units, performance stock units. these are based on total shareholder return relative to an auto retail peer index.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Article: "When to Sell And When Not To" by Philip A. Fisher

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( This is the 3rd article on the series on when to sell. I came across this from the Investor's Anthology. This article is originally from Philip A. Fisher's book, Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits. Note that Buffett considers himself as 85% Graham and 15% Fisher, in terms of investing style. Buffett's "10% of lifetime earnings" analogy comes from Fisher below. Links to the first and second article can be found in the comments. ).

When to Sell And When Not To

There are many good reasons why an investor might decide to sell common stocks. He may want to build a new home or finance his son in a business. Any one of a number of similar reasons can, from the standpoint of happy living, make selling common stocks sensible. This type of selling, however, is personal rather than financial in its motive. As such it is well beyond the scope of this book. These comments are only designed to cover that type of selling that is motivated by a single objective — obtaining the greatest total dollar benefit from the investment dollars available.

I believe there are three reasons, and three reasons only, for the sale of any common stock which has been originally selected according to the investment principles already discussed. The first of these reasons should be obvious to anyone. This is when a mistake has been made in the original purchase and it becomes increasingly clear that the factual background of the particular company is, by a significant margin, less favorable than originally believed. The proper handling of this type of situation is largely a matter of emotional self-control. To some degree it also depends upon the investor’s ability to be honest with himself.

Two of the important characteristics of common stock investment are the large profits that can come with proper handling, and the high degree of skill, knowledge, and judgment required for such proper handling. Since the process of obtaining these almost fantastic profits is so complex, it is not surprising that a certain percentage of errors in purchasing are sure to occur. Fortunately the long-range profits from really good common stocks should more than balance the losses from a normal percentage of such mistakes. They should leave a tremendous margin of gain as well. This is particularly true if the mistake is recognized quickly. When this happens, losses, if any, should be far smaller than if the stock bought in error had been held for a long period of time. Even more important, the funds tied up in the undesirable situation are freed to be used for something else which, if properly selected, should produce substantial gains.

However, there is a complicating factor that makes the handling of investment mistakes more difficult. This is the ego in each of us. None of us likes to admit to himself that he has been wrong. If we have made a mistake in buying a stock but can sell the stock at a small profit, we have somehow lost any sense of having been foolish. On the other hand, if we sell at a small loss we are quite unhappy about the whole matter. This reaction, while completely natural and normal, is probably one of the most dangerous in which we can indulge ourselves in the entire investment process. More money has probably been lost by investors holding a stock they really did not want until they could “at least come out even” than from any other single reason. If to these actual losses are added the profits that might have been made through the proper reinvestment of these funds if such reinvestment had been made when the mistake was first realized, the cost of self-indulgence becomes truly tremendous.

Furthermore this dislike of taking a loss, even a small loss, is just as illogical as it is natural. If the real object of common stock investment is the making of a gain of a great many hundreds per cent over a period of years, the difference between, say, a 20 per cent loss or a 5 per cent profit becomes a comparatively insignificant matter. What matters is not whether a loss occasionally occurs. What does matter is whether worthwhile profits so often fail to materialize that the skill of the investor or his advisor in handling investments must be questioned. While losses should never cause strong self-disgust or emotional  upset, neither should they be passed over lightly. They should always be reviewed with care so that a lesson is learned from each of them. If the particular elements which caused a misjudgment on a common stock purchase are thoroughly understood, it is unlikely that another poor purchase will be made through misjudging the same investment factors.

We come now to the second reason why sale should be made of a common stock purchased under the investment principles already outlined in Chapters Two and Three. Sales should always be made of the stock of a company which, because of changes resulting from the passage of time, no longer qualifies in regard to the fifteen points outlined in Chapter Three to about the same degree it qualified at the time of purchase. This is why investors should be constantly on their guard. It explains why it is of such importance to keep at all times in close contact with the affairs of companies whose shares are held.

When companies deteriorate in this way they usually do so for one of two reasons. Either there has been a deterioration of management, or the company no longer has the prospect of increasing the markets for its product in the way it formerly did. Sometimes management deteriorates because success has affected one or more key executives. Smugness, complacency, or inertia replace the former drive and ingenuity. More often it occurs because a new set of top executives do not measure up to the standard of performance set by their predecessors. Either they no longer hold to the policies that have made the company outstandingly successful, or they do not have the ability to continue to carry out such policies. When any of these things happen the affected stock should be sold at once, regardless of how good the general market may look or how big the capital gains tax may be.

Similarly it sometimes happens that after growing spectacularly for many years, a company will reach a stage where the growth prospects of its markets are exhausted. From this time on it will only do about as well as industry as a whole. It will only progress at about the same rate as the national economy does. This change may not be due to any deterioration of the management. Many managements show great skill in developing related or allied products to take advantage of growth in their immediate field. They recognize, however, that they do not have any particular advantage if they go into unrelated spheres of activity. Hence, if after years of being experts in a young and growing industry, times change and the company has pretty well exhausted the growth prospects of its market, its shares have deteriorated in an important way from the

standards outlined under our frequently mentioned fifteen points. Such a stock should then be sold. In this instance, selling might take place at a more leisurely pace than if management deterioration had set in. Possibly part of the holding might be kept until a more suitable investment could be found. However, in any event, the company should be recognized as no longer suitable for worthwhile investment. The amount of capital gains tax, no matter how large, should seldom prevent the switching of such funds into some other situation which, in the years ahead, may grow in a manner similar to the way in which this investment formerly grew.

There is a good test as to whether companies no longer adequately qualify in regard to this matter of expected further growth. This is for the investor to ask himself whether at the next peak of a business cycle, regardless of what may happen in the meantime, the comparative per share earnings (after allowances for stock dividends and stock splits but not for new shares issued for additional capital) will probably show at
least as great an increase from present levels as the present levels show from the last known peak of general business activity. If the answer is in the affirmative, the stock probably should be held. If in the negative, it should probably be sold.

For those who follow the right principles in making their original purchases, the third reason why a stock might be sold seldom arises, and should be acted upon only if an investor is very sure of his ground. It arises from the fact that opportunities for attractive investment are extremely hard to find. From a timing standpoint, they are seldom found just when investment funds happen to be available. If an investor has had funds for investment for quite a period of time and found few attractive situations into which to place these funds, he may well place\ some or all of them in a well-run company which he believes has definite growth prospects. However, these growth prospects may be at a slower average annual rate than may appear to be the case for some other seemingly more attractive situation that is found later. The already-owned company may in some other important aspects appear to be less attractive as well.

If the evidence is clear-cut and the investor feels quite sure of his ground, it will, even after paying capital gains taxes, probably pay him handsomely to switch into the situation with seemingly better prospects. The company that can show an average annual increase of 12 per cent for a long period of years should be a source of considerable financial satisfaction to its owners. However, the difference between these results and those that could occur from a company showing a 20 per cent average annual gain would be well worth the additional trouble and capital gains taxes that might be involved.

A word of caution may not be amiss, however, in regard to too readily selling a common stock in the hope of switching these funds into a still better one. There is always the risk that some major element in the picture has been misjudged. If this happens, the investment probably will not turn out nearly as well as anticipated. In contrast, an alert investor who has held a good stock for some time usually gets to know its less desirable as well as its more desirable characteristics. Therefore, before selling a rather satisfactory holding in order to get a still better one, there is need of the greatest care in trying to appraise accurately all elements of the situation.

At this point the critical reader has probably discerned a basic investment principle which by and large seems only to be understood by a small minority of successful investors. This is that once a stock has been properly selected and has borne the test of time, it is only occasionally that there is any reason for selling it at all. However, recommendations and comments continue to pour out of the financial community giving other types of reasons for selling outstanding common stocks. What about the validity of such reasons?

Most frequently given of such reasons is the conviction that a general stock market decline of some proportion is somewhere in the offing. In the preceding chapter I tried to show that postponing an attractive purchase because of fear of what the general market might do will, over the years, prove very costly. This is because the investor is ignoring a powerful influence about which he has positive knowledge through fear of a less powerful force about which, in the present state of human knowledge, he and everyone else is largely guessing. If the argument is valid that the purchase of attractive common stocks should not be unduly influenced by fear of ordinary bear markets, the argument against selling outstanding stocks because of these fears is even more impressive. All the arguments mentioned in the previous chapter equally apply here. Furthermore, the chance of the investor being right in making such sales is still further diminished by the factor of the capital gains tax. Because of the very large profits such outstanding stocks should be showing if they have been held for a period of years, this capital gains tax can still further accentuate the cost of making such sales.

There is another and even more costly reason why an investor should never sell out of an outstanding situation because of the possibility that an ordinary bear market may be about to occur. If the company is really a right one, the next bull market should see the stock making a new peak well above those so far attained. How is the investor to know when to buy back? Theoretically it should be after the coming decline. However, this presupposes that the investor will know when the decline will end. I have seen many investors dispose of a holding that was to show stupendous gain in the years ahead because of this fear of a coming bear market. Frequently the bear market never came and the stock went right on up. When a bear market has come, I have not seen one time in ten when the investor actually got back into the same shares before they had gone up above his selling price. Usually he either waited for them to go far lower than they actually dropped, or, when they were way down, fear of something else happening still prevented their reinstatement.

This brings us to another line of reasoning so often used to cause well-intentioned but unsophisticated investors to miss huge future profits. This is the argument that an outstanding stock has become overpriced and therefore should be sold. What is more logical than this? If a stock is overpriced, why not sell it rather than keep it?

Before reaching hasty conclusions, let us look a little bit below the surface. Just what is overpriced? What are we trying to accomplish? Any really good stock will sell and should sell at a higher ratio to current earnings than a stock with a stable rather than an expanding earning power. After all, this probability of participating in continued growth is obviously worth something. When we say that the stock is overpriced, we may mean that it is selling at an even higher ratio in relation to this expected earning power than we believe it should be. Possibly we may mean that it is selling at an even higher ratio than are other comparable stocks with similar prospects of materially increasing their future earnings.

All of this is trying to measure something with a greater degree ofpreciseness than is possible.The investor cannot pinpoint just how much per share a particular company will earn two years from now. He can at best judge this within such general and non-mathematical limits as “about the same,” “up moderately,” “up a lot,” or “up tremendously.”

As a matter of fact, the company’s top management cannot come a great deal closer than this. Either they or the investor should come pretty close in judging whether a sizable increase in average earnings is likely to occur a few years from now. But just how much increase, or the exact year in which it will occur, usually involves guessing on enough variables to make precise predictions impossible.

Under these circumstances, how can anyone say with even moderate precision just what is overpriced for an outstanding company with an unusually rapid growth rate? Suppose that instead of selling at twenty-five times earnings, as usually happens, the stock is now at thirty-five times earnings. Perhaps there are new products in the immediate future, the real economic importance of which the financial community has not yet grasped. Perhaps there are not any such products. If the growth rate is so good that in another ten years the company might well have quadrupled, is it really of such great concern whether at the moment the stock might or might not be 35 per cent overpriced? That which really matters is not to disturb a position that is going to be worth a great deal more later.

Again our old friend the capital gains tax adds its bit to these conclusions. Growth stocks which are recommended for sale because they are supposedly overpriced nearly always will cost their owners a sizable capital gains tax if they are sold.Therefore, in addition to the risk of losing a permanent position in a company which over the years should continue to show unusual further gains, we also incur a sizable tax liability. Isn’t it safer and cheaper simply to make up our minds that momentarily the stock may be somewhat ahead of itself? We already have a sizable profit in it. If for a while the stock loses, say, 35 per cent of its current market quotation, is this really such a serious matter? Again, isn’t the maintaining of our position rather than the possibility of temporarily losing a small part of our capital gain the matter which is really important?

There is still one other argument investors sometimes use to separate themselves from the profits they would otherwise make. This one is the most ridiculous of all. It is that the stock they own has had a huge advance. Therefore, just because it has gone up, it has probably used up most of its potential. Consequently they should sell it and buy something that hasn’t gone up yet. Outstanding companies, the only type which I believe the investor should buy, just don’t function this way. How they do function might best be understood by considering the following somewhat fanciful analogy:

Suppose it is the day you graduated from college. If you did not go to college, consider it to be the day of your high school graduation; from the standpoint of our example it will make no difference whatsoever. Now suppose that on this day each of your male classmates had an urgent need of immediate cash. Each offered you the same deal. If you would give them a sum of money equivalent to ten times whatever they might earn during the first twelve months after they had gone to work, that classmate would for the balance of his life turn over to you one quarter of each year’s earnings! Finally let us suppose that, while you thought this was an excellent proposition, you only had spare cash on hand sufficient to make such a deal with three of your classmates.At this point, your reasoning would closely resemble that of the investor using sound investment principles in selecting common stocks.

You would immediately start analyzing your classmates, not from the standpoint of how pleasant they might be or even how talented they might be in other ways, but solely to determine how much money they might make. If you were part of a large class, you would probably eliminate quite a number solely on the ground of not knowing them sufficiently well to be able to pass worthwhile judgment on just how financially proficient they actually would get to be. Here again, the analogy with intelligent common stock buying runs very close. Eventually you would pick the three classmates you felt would have the greatest future earning power. You would make your deal with them. Ten years have passed. One of your three has done sensationally.

Going to work for a large corporation, he has won promotion after promotion. Already insiders in the company are saying that the president has his eye on him and that in another ten years he will probably take the top job. He will be in line for the large compensation, stock options, and pension benefits that go with that job.

Under these circumstances, what would even the writers of stock market reports who urge taking profits on superb stocks that“have gotten ahead of the market”think of your selling out your contract with this former classmate, just because someone has offered you 600 per cent on your original investment? You would think that anyone would need to have his head examined if he were to advise you to sell this contract and replace it with one with another former classmate whose annual earnings still were about the same as when he left school ten years before.The argument that your successful classmate had had his advance while the advance of your (financially) unsuccessful classmate still lay ahead of him would probably sound rather silly. If you know your common stocks equally well, many of the arguments commonly heard for selling the good one sound equally silly.

You may be thinking all this sounds fine, but actually classmates are not common stocks. To be sure, there is one major difference. That difference increases rather than decreases the reason for never selling the outstanding common stock just because it has had a huge rise and may be temporarily overpriced. This difference is that the classmate is finite, may die soon and is sure to die eventually. There is no similar life span for the common stock. The company behind the common stock can have a practice of selecting management talent in depth and training such talent in company policies, methods, and techniques in a way which will retain and pass on the corporate vigor for generations. Look at Du Pont in its second century of corporate existence. Look at Dow years after the death of its brilliant founder. In this era of unlimited human wants and incredible markets, there is no limitation to corporate growth such as the life span places upon the individual.

Perhaps the thoughts behind this chapter might be put into a single sentence: If the job has been correctly done when a common stock is purchased, the time to sell it is almost never.