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Rewatch Pandora Hearts Rewatch - Episode 02

Tempest of Conviction

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Questions of the Week:

1) What do you make of the B-Rabbit?

2) What could Oz possibly have done to be condemned like that?

3) Why did Gil shield the Reaper leader?

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago

First Timer

Stabbing someone doesn't exactly scream "Friendship" to me, but you do you

Welp, as expected, that didn't go very well for Oz! Honestly, maybe quite a bit worse than I'd imagined, depending on how I'm supposed to take the ending of the episode? On the whole, while obviously much more dramatically eventful, this also feels like more of a leading and mystery build up episode, so not a ton to say for it besides, well, questions haha, but most of what I liked about the first one still stands! Again, the atmosphere is just great, which adds a really strong air to the drama and mystery here, and I am pretty engaged with all the buildup right now and excited to see how said mystery plays out!

Oz hard crushing on Sharon is very cute and amusing, and I still think the transition into a more serious mood is handled pretty well. Interested to see what the connection between Sharon's family (And specifically Break, apparently) and Oz is, and also what the "Untold power" of Oz's family that Sharon talks about is supposed to be. The mood shift towards ominous and dramatic essentially starts right from the moment she mentions it and Oz needing to remember those by his side, so evidently there are some important future implications there, maybe even exactly for whatever being sent to the Abyss means for him.

Small thing, but the episode has a decent few shots with windows or reflections, but Oz's specifically have this pretty boxed-in framing in relation to the ceremony, which kind of nicely adds weight to the implications behind it. Anyway, really not sure what to make of this before she shows up, but Ayako Kawasumi's character (B-Rabbit? I can't tell if that's supposed to be her name, or just the giant rabbit lol) is already really awesome! She's also kind of crazy, but y'know, the fun kind! For various reasons! I do wonder what exactly Oz being her "key" means, though. The fight that ends up happening is pretty wooden in animation, but just the innate coolness of a dark rabbit with a giant scythe, combined with Yuki Kajiura OST, certainly helps a lot. I really like this one visual for the Abyss, very freaky.

Regardless, I guess Oz gets Abyss'd? That doesn't sound particularly fun either way, but I think the character we see at the end of the episode is supposed to be an older Gilbert? Which would leave many questions! Namely, how he recovered from the sword slash, what the aftermath ended up being, how he feels about the whole thing (Given his body was technically partially responsible for what happened to Oz), and most critically, how long has it been? Probably-Gil aside, Sharon and Break admittedly kind of look the same to me, but the chapel looks pretty damn overgrown, so I'm thinking it's been a while. Which, putting aside how exactly one rescues Oz, again makes me wonder what being in the Abyss means, and especially how exactly unpleasant being there for a long time would be.

All that aside, this show is lining up to have a voice cast I really like! Sharon is HanaKana! Break is Akira Ishida playing his classic "Enigmatic and hot" typecast, which is a real favorite of mine lol. And he only gets like a sentence here, but I'm pretty sure that's Kousuke Toriumi on the character I think is older Gilbert, and I also always love his distinct voice!

What do you make of the B-Rabbit?

Very cool

Just kind of adore the whole dark fairy tale aesthetic it has going on!

What could Oz possibly have done to be condemned like that?

Existing, clearly!

More seriously though, being apparently condemned just for his existence, together with the idea of being a chosen one in a prophecy, kind of makes me think it might be about what he might do or could lead to, rather than something that he has done already? Like, either a negative prophecy, where he somehow leads to a really bad outcome, or a prophecy where those Reaper guys are foiled by him.

Why did Gil shield the Reaper leader?

He got to see his face, and it looks like it's someone he really thinks Oz shouldn't hurt, so I'll throw out my current bet on Oz's dad. It would also explain his absence from the ceremony.

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u/lC3 20d ago

Welp, as expected, that didn't go very well for Oz! Honestly, maybe quite a bit worse than I'd imagined, depending on how I'm supposed to take the ending of the episode?

Yeah, did they successfully send Oz to Abyss? WTF

On the whole, while obviously much more dramatically eventful, this also feels like more of a leading and mystery build up episode, so not a ton to say for it besides, well, questions haha, but most of what I liked about the first one still stands!

This show/manga has a lot of mysteries to resolve, so ...

Again, the atmosphere is just great, which adds a really strong air to the drama and mystery here, and I am pretty engaged with all the buildup right now and excited to see how said mystery plays out!

Glad you're liking it!

Oz hard crushing on Sharon is very cute and amusing

Hormones, amirite? Though he is a bit short for 15.

And specifically Break, apparently

I love Break! Fan favorite for sure

The mood shift towards ominous and dramatic essentially starts right from the moment she mentions it and Oz needing to remember those by his side, so evidently there are some important future implications there, maybe even exactly for whatever being sent to the Abyss means for him.

Yeah, seems like foreshadowing to me?

Small thing, but the episode has a decent few shots with windows or reflections, but Oz's specifically have this pretty boxed-in framing in relation to the ceremony, which kind of nicely adds weight to the implications behind it.

Nice catch! I like the direction in this show

Anyway, really not sure what to make of this before she shows up

I think that's [PH anime]"Dledum" (or fansubs "Doldum") that Zwei and the other Reapers mention in this ep.

Ayako Kawasumi's character (B-Rabbit? I can't tell if that's supposed to be her name, or just the giant rabbit lol) is already really awesome

B-Rabbit is the giant rabbit. Is that also the girl? Hopefully Oz will learn more about that soon.

She's also kind of crazy, but y'know, the fun kind! For various reasons

Yeah, she's a lot of fun

I do wonder what exactly Oz being her "key" means, though.

I think for tegakari the official subs say "my only clue"?

The fight that ends up happening is pretty wooden in animation, but just the innate coolness of a dark rabbit with a giant scythe, combined with Yuki Kajiura OST, certainly helps a lot.

Yeah, it's vibes maxed out, not actual sakuga like you'd get in a battle shounen. This is a mystery show first and foremost.

this one visual for the Abyss

"spirits" is "messengers" in my subs But yeah, freaky visuals.

Regardless, I guess Oz gets Abyss'd?

It sure seems like it!

but I think the character we see at the end of the episode is supposed to be an older Gilbert? Which would leave many questions!

Is he or isn't he? On one hand, he looks like an older Gil would. A relative? But if he's actually an older Gil, why do Sharon and Break look the same?

Namely, how he recovered from the sword slash, what the aftermath ended up being, how he feels about the whole thing (Given his body was technically partially responsible for what happened to Oz), and most critically, how long has it been?

Probably-Gil aside, Sharon and Break admittedly kind of look the same to me, but the chapel looks pretty damn overgrown, so I'm thinking it's been a while

Yeah, they look the exact same to me, but the chapel looks like a significant amount of time has passed. So your theory seems plausible.

Which, putting aside how exactly one rescues Oz, again makes me wonder what being in the Abyss means, and especially how exactly unpleasant being there for a long time would be.

... It probably isn't fun, that's for sure. Ada or someone in ep1 seemed to think it was a prison for evildoers?

All that aside, this show is lining up to have a voice cast I really like! Sharon is HanaKana! Break is Akira Ishida playing his classic "Enigmatic and hot" typecast, which is a real favorite of mine lol. And he only gets like a sentence here, but I'm pretty sure that's Kousuke Toriumi on the character I think is older Gilbert, and I also always love his distinct voice!

Yup, Ishida and Toriumi.

Very cool

Just kind of adore the whole dark fairy tale aesthetic it has going on!

Yeah, this series has that in spades

More seriously though, being apparently condemned just for his existence, together with the idea of being a chosen one in a prophecy, kind of makes me think it might be about what he might do or could lead to, rather than something that he has done already? Like, either a negative prophecy, where he somehow leads to a really bad outcome, or a prophecy where those Reaper guys are foiled by him.

Hmm. That's a good idea! I doubt Oz has done much in his 15 years, and the Reaper leader said his "very existence" was his sin, so ...

Unless he's a bastard child or something like that?

He got to see his face, and it looks like it's someone he really thinks Oz shouldn't hurt, so I'll throw out my current bet on Oz's dad. It would also explain his absence from the ceremony.

That seems to fit the context! Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago

This show/manga has a lot of mysteries to resolve, so ...

Perfect!

Hormones, amirite? Though he is a bit short for 15.

I think for tegakari the official subs say "my only clue"?

"spirits" is "messengers" in my subs

The second one aside, even without checking I'm pretty sure the "Clue" one is more accurate? I think the release I got has like 4 sub tracks, so maybe I'll try flipping through them to see which one I like best haha.

Unless he's a bastard child or something like that?

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u/lC3 20d ago

The second one aside, even without checking I'm pretty sure the "Clue" one is more accurate? I think the release I got has like 4 sub tracks, so maybe I'll try flipping through them to see which one I like best haha.

The subs I'm watching matched what was on Crunchyroll before they took them down, so they're probably right from the DVDs. Maybe your release has those tracks included? Mine have two options, the janky vobsubs and a better looking text softsub, but both have the same translations.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 20d ago

Pandora First-Timer, subbed

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u/fieew https://myanimelist.net/profile/fiew 20d ago

I did not remember that was literally stabbing him in the chest.

The show can legitimately be violent at times. There a reason manga fans called it "Pandora Hurts" while the manga was ongoing.

Man I love Yuki Kajiura’s music

It sets such a scene and ambience I cant imagine the show without it honestly.

Alright, the plot’s in motion.

I feel from here on things start to pick up more and we see more character moments. The first 2 episodes really were just an introduction the world.

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u/lC3 20d ago

The show can legitimately be violent at times. There a reason manga fans called it "Pandora Hurts" while the manga was ongoing.

It sets such a scene and ambience I cant imagine the show without it honestly.

Yeah, me too. If we ever get a remake I hope Kajiura is still a part of it.

I feel from here on things start to pick up more and we see more character moments. The first 2 episodes really were just an introduction the world.

Yup yup

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago

Oh lol, I used the comment face just because it has a flower in it, but then Oz is clearly immediately crushing on Sharon, so…

Ishida Akiraaaaaaaaaa

Why the ptsd?

Man I love Yuki Kajiura’s music

She's so good

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 20d ago

Why the ptsd?

I should make it clear I do not hate his voice at all, my brain just refuses to disconnect it from this fucker so I get Bokurano-induced trauma whenever I hear him in anything.

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 20d ago

I would say GO UNINSTALL NOW! , but I'm pretty sure you don't want to go watch an even more depressing mecha series than Iron-Blooded Orphans right after finishing that, so...

(And that's me talking about the "tame" version of Bokurano, the manga version of it's even more depressing. It's good, but not for the faint of heart.)

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago

I would say GO UNINSTALL NOW!

I'm pretty sure you don't want to go watch an even more depressing mecha series than Iron-Blooded Orphans right after finishing that

That I do not lol

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u/lC3 20d ago

That’s a lot of flowers.

Yeah, I'd get allergies so bad!

Oh lol, I used the comment face just because it has a flower in it, but then Oz is clearly immediately crushing on Sharon, so…

Eesh…

Ishida Akiraaaaaaaaaa

Break is such a troll; I can't imagine him played by anyone else.

Okay I vaguely remembered that the possessed Gilbert did something bad to Oz, but I did not remember that was literally stabbing him in the chest.

Nice!

There's a reason I picked that clip to preview PH!

Man I love Yuki Kajiura’s music.

Me too!

Damn, I forgot about this too.

... Is he dead?

Alright, the plot’s in motion.

fansubs ... But yes, the plot picks up from here.

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u/TheDanubianCommunard 19d ago

First-time

Sharon looks like a very loveable young lady, but she has a more serious and smug side by being allied to Break. She could be an ideal bethrothal target for Oz I guess. As expected of a Hanakana character.

The ceremony going as planned, but an unknown party watches from behind, probably because they are quite interested in what secrets might Oz holds. Well, actually the ceremony goes smoothly, but there is something suspicious, something that is not supposed to happen: the clock moving when he recited the oath. And maybe it is an obvious sign for Alice to break free from her imprisonment which makes her lonely. She yearns for company, and also willng to meet her "boyfriend" once again.

Gilbert was a traitor after all. He was spying on Oz all the time. So this event was foreshadow back in the previous episode. Oz and his existence is acually indeed very special, and that is what irritates others. Guess the agents of Abyss are indeed came to him. But his "girlfriend" objects to this - she says Oz belongs to her, nobody else, and those who stands in her way have to punish them. That is Alice's way of love. B-Rabbit is her combat form.

What will Sharon and Break do, will they help Oz or not?

A very typical Kajiura msuic plays during the combat scene, Kara no Kyoukai and Fate Zero flashbacks come back for real.

I am already saying right now, I see some romance subplot here.

Kawasumi and Hanakana casted for the female leads, I feel some Zegapain vibes here.

1) What do you make of the B-Rabbit?

It would be the best if it was a mecha form.

2) What could Oz possibly have done to be condemned like that?

He did nothing wrong. Must have been known some forbidden knowledge or that clock I guess.

3) Why did Gil shield the Reaper leader?

Because he is controlled by them.

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u/lC3 19d ago

Sharon looks like a very loveable young lady, but she has a more serious and smug side by being allied to Break. She could be an ideal bethrothal target for Oz I guess. As expected of a Hanakana character.

Ara ara? Is she the villainess?

Well, actually the ceremony goes smoothly, but there is something suspicious, something that is not supposed to happen: the clock moving when he recited the oath.

Just like in the prophecy?

And maybe it is an obvious sign for Alice to break free from her imprisonment which makes her lonely. She yearns for company, and also willng to meet her "boyfriend" once again.

Poor, lonely Alice?

Gilbert was a traitor after all. He was spying on Oz all the time. So this event was foreshadow back in the previous episode. Oz and his existence is acually indeed very special, and that is what irritates others. Guess the agents of Abyss are indeed came to him.

Not sure that Gil is a traitor; he's being controlled by Zwei's Dledum.

But his "girlfriend" objects to this - she says Oz belongs to her, nobody else, and those who stands in her way have to punish them. That is Alice's way of love. B-Rabbit is her combat form.

Tsundere? Yandere? not sure

What will Sharon and Break do, will they help Oz or not?

Hopefully they'll rescue him!

A very typical Kajiura msuic plays during the combat scene, Kara no Kyoukai and Fate Zero flashbacks come back for real.

I am already saying right now, I see some romance subplot here.

It would be the best if it was a mecha form.

Because he is controlled by them.

I think he had broken free, or the girl/B-Rabbit had attacked the Reapers so they were no longer controlling Gil at that point. Hmm.

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u/fieew https://myanimelist.net/profile/fiew 20d ago

I cant say too much now. Like last episode this feels like an introduction to everything but with more questions being posed here. I do enjoy the mysteries being set up. Such as why has Oz been attacked? Who's this person protecting Oz and why? Whos the person Gil shielded and why? Find out next time on the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z.

Though I will say I do feel from here onwards we get to see more character interactions and the story moves faster. These initial episodes really are just an intro into everything imo.

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u/lC3 20d ago

Yes, this is an introduction, but it has major vibes and I'm liking it! A great hook to make people want to keep watching. The mysteries are top notch! Why Oz? Who is this girl? Why did Gil shield the Reaper leader? Yeah, find out next time lol.

Yeah, once Oz gets dropped into Abyss, the story picks up.

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u/lC3 20d ago

02: Tempest of Conviction

  • Flowers from the Rainsworth Dukedom?
  • Sharon Rainsworth? Now that Oz is coming of age, are they gonna try to marry him off?
  • Is there an ulterior reason Sharon's mom isn't coming, or is she truly ill?
  • Oh she's under 15?
  • Sharon is 13? Oz is smitten?
  • ... that pose with the rose and wine was a bit much
  • ... Oz is such a kid lol, acting like that. 15 is young! I feel old now
  • Sharon seems unusually precocious/intelligent for 13?
  • Such ominous music?
  • Break has Koemushi's VA? will this traumatize poor Sky?
  • "fated to come to our side"? who is "us"?
  • ... Emily talks? Ventriloquism? Or not?
  • More strange robed figures?
  • Zwei is controlling Gil thru Dledum?
  • A prophecy? 100 years ago?
  • The Silent Clock is ringing? Uh oh
  • Everyone is frozen as if time has stopped?
  • Light shines, and a path opens?
  • GIL STABBED OZ?
  • time of judgment? Path to Abyss?
  • A badass rabbit with a scythe? Count me in
  • B-Rabbit? the girl from before?
  • "This belongs to me" Oz isn't a thing!
  • Reapers?
  • By the power of Grayskull Yuki Kajiura!
  • "Dou ka na" was missing the all important "sore wa"!
  • Gil is back to his old self?
  • What did Gil see during that flash of lightning? "You are ..."
  • "He is your..." WELP
  • OZ SLICED GIL!? NO!
  • She's found a "clue"?
  • "your sin is your very existence"
  • Break sure loves his tea time
  • The mansion sure looks run down now. [PHearts]How much time has passed?
  • "the paths can be connected"??
  • Behind the "organization"?
  • He has Kiba's VA?
  • They're gonna save Oz?

I will (re)watch the ep now (just got home from work) and reply to peeps after!

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u/StickPrevious9581 19d ago

It still doesn't quite grab me, but definitely better than the first episode. The preview makes the next episode look like a lot more will get explained too. And Gil really can't catch a break, can he? This time, he was (accidentally) slashed with a sword, and assuming that was him at the end of the episode, seems to have been suddenly aged a fair bit. Is all the combat in the show as stilted as this episode, or does it improve, and how much of it is there? I don't mind being spoiled on this, if anyone feels like answering. Also, I'm going to guess against the obvious answer, and say that Gil shielded the Reaper leader because it was somehow Oz's uncle, because that would be a nice twist - either a clone, or the version of the uncle performing the ceremony was an imposter using magic as an alibi.

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u/lC3 19d ago

It still doesn't quite grab me, but definitely better than the first episode.

The preview makes the next episode look like a lot more will get explained too. And Gil really can't catch a break, can he?

There are a bunch of mysteries in this show, that's for sure. Hopefully some answers soon?

This time, he was (accidentally) slashed with a sword, and assuming that was him at the end of the episode, seems to have been suddenly aged a fair bit

Is all the combat in the show as stilted as this episode, or does it improve, and how much of it is there? I don't mind being spoiled on this, if anyone feels like answering.

This isn't primarily a combat anime, it's more about the mystery and horror vibes. There will be some action, but nothing super special / sakuga.

Also, I'm going to guess against the obvious answer, and say that Gil shielded the Reaper leader because it was somehow Oz's uncle, because that would be a nice twist - either a clone, or the version of the uncle performing the ceremony was an imposter using magic as an alibi.

I never thought of that! Oscar, how could you!

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 19d ago

First Timer

ep 2

I peaced-out before the ED had finished yesterday. It's by savage genius! Gee, where have I written that band name down before....Simoun!

Crazy theory: The disaster already happened, the grave is empty, Oz exists within the black sphere but had forgotten his life outside.

  • This Sharon is very suspicious...
  • Oops. That's a crime.
  • Okay, crazy theory was wrong.
  1. Everybody from doll-land is psychotic
  2. He is the key to doll-land taking over the world
  3. It was Dad (because Oscar should have been in the church)

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u/lC3 19d ago

I peaced-out before the ED had finished yesterday. It's by savage genius! Gee, where have I written that band name down before....Simoun!

Crazy theory: The disaster already happened, the grave is empty, Oz exists within the black sphere but had forgotten his life outside.

That would be crazy!

This Sharon is very suspicious...

Sus! In my animu?

Oops. That's a crime.

She's only 13!

Okay, crazy theory was wrong.

He is the key to doll-land taking over the world

It was Dad (because Oscar should have been in the church)

Oh shit!