r/AnCap101 • u/CablocoLoco_ • 19d ago

Is there any way to exchange currency instantly in dollars/any fiat currency without going through any regulation, designed for local merchants and producers?

I've been thinking, if a transfer system like this existed and was publicized, it could greatly stimulate agorism.

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u/brewbase 19d ago

You mean cash?

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u/CablocoLoco_ 19d ago

Yes and no, as far as I know there is no way to convert cash into BTC (or another actual currency) without involving the state

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u/brewbase 19d ago

Sure there is. You just need someone to sell to you.

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u/CablocoLoco_ 19d ago

yes but heavily underground, I'm talking about velocity and practicality. I'm sure that's crucial for the agorism development, an online payment system totally private, fast and practical. A system like this can overcome the current payment methods and destroy the government

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u/NoScallion3586 19d ago

Anything at scale will attract unwanted attention

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u/CablocoLoco_ 19d ago

if done well it cannot be stopped, bitcoin is attracting attention but the government cannot stop it

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u/puukuur 19d ago

Well, the final solution is bitcoin, but as i understand, you're looking for a non-regulated onboarding to bitcoin?

There are things like Bisq which allow one to buy bitcoin without KYC using any agreed upon method (mail cash, bank transactions, gift cards, bank transfers etc).

Another thing i've come to think about: we can't expect sovereignty from everybody. Yes, it's a bit of a tight bottleneck to take an interest in bitcoin, start learning/using it, learn to grow/hunt your own food, protect yourself, lessen your dependence on the state and so on, but that's just...natural selection.

If we made it easy for sheep to be sovereigns, they'd give up responsibility and become sheep again the minute some psychopath makes it easy to be a citizen of a state. A world of individual sovereigns must consist of, well, individuals willing to be sovereign, even though it ain't always easy and comfortable.

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u/CablocoLoco_ 18d ago

what a wrong definition

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u/puukuur 18d ago

Elaborate

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u/CablocoLoco_ 18d ago

first, what books did you get the last two paragraphs from?

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u/puukuur 18d ago

These are just my thoughts, though i've read a lot about evolution, psychology and such.

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u/CablocoLoco_ 17d ago

Libertarianism is not about isolating oneself from society; this line of thought legitimizes government because, to rephrase, you are saying that government is part of society, and not a monopoly on coercion. Agorism is a tactic to achieve libertarianism, sharing the same theoretical basis, which states that the objective can only be ethically achieved when a large portion of the population begins to ignore the government and conduct transactions only through the "black market" (in the book's definition). Furthermore, human action operates through incentives, so if a statist has more incentive to participate in the black market than in the white market, he will participate.

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u/puukuur 17d ago

I'm not talking about isolation, i'm talking about sovereignty, independence.

Ignoring the government is, in a sense, expensive. It's hard to ignore it, hard to find and create private solutions. It takes work to be and act sovereign, to not accept ready-made government solutions, to be responsible for your own well-being.

Your own other comment is a testament to that: "yes but heavily underground, I'm talking about velocity and practicality. I'm sure that's crucial for the agorism development, an online payment system totally private, fast and practical."

Getting non-KYC unregulated bitcoin in p2p cash transactions in parking lots is totally doable, but not comfortable enough for those less-interested in opting out of the government. I believe you can see and agree with that sentiment since you are looking for a "practical" solution. This means you are trying to make anarchism more approachable to people who are not as interested in opting out of government.

Thus, my comment. There are those who are more against the government, and those less against it. We can create all sorts of solutions to make it easier for the latter to opt out than to opt in, but this made me realize that that means acknowledging that these people don't have any principled stand against government, they will simply do the thing that is easiest.

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u/CablocoLoco_ 17d ago

After some research, I came to the conclusion that it's impossible to exchange fiat currency without monitoring, as these transactions are validated by the central bank and there's no way to derive them, transforming them into another currency or sending them to a centralized client. So, with that, I came to the conclusion that the black market manipulation of money already exists via legitimate currencies like Bitcoin, and solutions like transaction speed and tax evasion will come with time. So basically, buy BTC.