Still see these arguments from time to time

[u/Low-Bug8099]

[u/No-One9890]

Billionaires may say theyre ancap but their actions show that they believe in tyranny since they act as tyrants lol. They believe only in their own individual freedom

[u/Substantial-Hat-6893 → u/No-One9890]

That dotted cat is doing a lot of philosophical heavy lifting for both sides

[u/JustAdlz → u/No-One9890]

Yes ancaps are tyrants too next question

[u/Low-Bug8099 → u/JustAdlz]

Explain

[u/Adorable_Ad4673 → u/Low-Bug8099]

Why, I mean, it's very clear: The people who openly fight and despise tyranny, in all its forms, and believe in complete control of one's own autonomy, are tyrants actually.

[u/Olieskio → u/Adorable_Ad4673]

Yeah we are are tyrants to Rapists, Murderers, Thieves and Parasites. Which might explain his disdain for us.

[u/Gratedfumes → u/Olieskio]

What tactics do you think your mercenaries, oh I'm sorry NAP Enforcement corporations, will use to control and manipulate your serfs?

[u/Olieskio → u/Gratedfumes]

What serfs? I legally have to give them an easement to leave if they are stuck inside my property.

[u/Gratedfumes → u/Olieskio]

The people who live on the property that you declare you own after you burn down the courthouse.

[u/Olieskio → u/Gratedfumes]

Why would I burn down the courthouse. That would be an aggression.

[u/No-One9890 → u/Olieskio]

Capitalists love rape, murder, theft and parasitism. How do u think executives get paid?

[u/Olieskio → u/No-One9890]

Not by Rape, Murder, theft or parasitism. Thats what your friend Jeffrey Epstein was doing with his state lackeys on an Island and thats how public sector workers get paid, aswell as your favorite politicians.

[u/No-One9890 → u/Olieskio]

No one here like politicians. I just dont pretend corporate power is any different lol

[u/Olieskio → u/No-One9890]

Corporations and their entire structure are based on the statist VOC which was formed by the Dutch government, They are not capitalist.

But even then, Corporations are much more virtuous than anyone in your side of the group. They have created modern society and all its luxuries and goods because of their good parts being that they mostly abide by the NAP. They are infinitely more virtuous than you lot despite their problems.

[u/No-One9890 → u/Olieskio]

They only appear to obey the NAP because they let the govt do that for them

[u/Gratedfumes → u/Olieskio]

Jeffrey Epstein was an Anarcho capitalist, maybe not in name but in practice. He owned multiple businesses, rental properties, and used money to make money, Capitalist. He had no respect for laws or authorities and only saw them as obstacles overcome or tools to use, for his own fulfillment and functioned as a stateless sovereign for ~40 years, Anarcho-Capitalist. All that shit he did was just a function of his business, and if you use some reasonable inferences you could come to a safe hypothetical that he was apprenticed into a long standing trade/corporation.

You're just pissed he was, possibly still is, better at it than you.

[u/Olieskio → u/Gratedfumes]

Jeffrey Epstein was an Anarcho-Capitalist but he was in contact with state leaders all throughout the world. Contradictions are false. A = A.

Owning businessess does not make you an Anarchist or a Capitalist actually, Because by that definition Stalin was the most radical Anarcho-Capitalist in history as he owned multiple state owned businessess and he owned the state as the dictator but thats a ridiculous definition.

But we do have respect for laws? Alot of respect actually considering we view any and all violations of the Non-Aggression Principle abhorrent. Socialists also have no respect for laws or authorities so thats rough for your side.

Thats some rough projection from you.

You see Anarcho-Capitalism is NAP absolutism and molesting children is a crime as we have an ethical system unlike you socialists. You socialists use our ethics as a base and try to argue against our ethics. This is what we call a stolen concept fallacy.

[u/Gratedfumes → u/Olieskio]

My god the double speak is set fucking deep in you.

Yes, using capital to make more capital is what makes someone a capitalist, all of your exclusions are fucking academic pedantry and a refusal to accept that the function of a person is the truth of who they are and not the costume they wear. You hit it right on the head, those "state leaders" are functionally Anarcho-Capitalist, they are just better at it than you.

Your "respect of law" falls flat when the NAP has no universal definition, application, or respect of human rights.

The world isn't as black and white as you wish it was kiddo, you can't predetermine all solutions to all problems with a fanatical application of a mishmash philosophy derived from observations of people that, mostly, believed in blood magic and weren't quite sure why pulling water from downstream of the slaughter houses made people sick.
So don't think I'm arguing for what you think is the only other option when I call bullshit on the NAP defining human rights as property rights, not having any concept of illegal contracts, aun hd how that allows for the type of deFacto slavery that doesn't need the Latin phrase and we can just call slavery.

[u/No-One9890 → u/Adorable_Ad4673]

Capitalism is almost by definition anti-individual to the majority of ppl (workers) since it is literally an economic idea focused on centralized power of owners of capital

[u/theyhis → u/No-One9890]

the complete opposite actually.

[u/No-One9890 → u/JustAdlz]

Hey, comrade

[u/CrowBot99]

This is a great format...

Remember when Hoppe gave a speech and listed a bunch of leftist contradictions? Somebody use this meme format for all of them. Get on it!

[u/turboninja3011]

No billionaire is anarchist. They are all pseudo-socialists pushing for a massive government because they long since realized money alone cant buy much in a free society.

[u/PG2009]

"rich people are corrupt and cut-throat and would do anything to make money" vs "we have to take them at their word when they say they're libertarian"

[u/Live_Taste_7796]

Theres a 3rd option too; middle class. Its almost like, we're individuals from all sorts of different backgrounds.

[u/JustAdlz]

These are not mutually exclusive.

[u/Low-Bug8099 → u/JustAdlz]

Explain