r/AskReddit • • 5h ago

"those little differences" Americans who visited Europe, what was surprisingly different for you?

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u/thalassicus 2h ago

You never hand your credit card to a waiter or merchant who then takes it away to run it. They bring the device to you which seems much more secure.

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u/Rugkrabber 1h ago

It’s considered a personal item other people who are not the owner may not use. And there is no reason for anyone to take it, because like you said, the device either comes to you or you walk to it yourself. It’s considered highly suspicious if anyone would take the card.

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u/KazDragon 1h ago

In Europe in general, there is no reason for your credit or debit card to be out of your possession ever.

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u/JTP1228 1h ago

Is it common to be that paranoid about it? At least in the US, the money is insured. But even so, it is uncommon for it to be stolen by an employee.

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u/Many_Wear2807 1h ago

Probably not paranoid, but if you’ve never given your card away it would feel very off.

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u/azhder 1h ago edited 45m ago

It’s not paranoia; it’s normal level of security. Cards require(d) PIN, so you don’t give the card and the number to people. That leaves you with the option of being at the same place with the POS terminal.

Even now, with some spending limits increased so you don’t have to use a PIN, the habit is already established.

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u/Ok-World-4822 42m ago

In the Netherlands you get taught your debit/credit card is something private, something you shouldn’t give to other people. When you are in a country where people walk away with your card you get suspicious because it goes against your beliefs

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u/CrazyChalice 1h ago

In my experience (as a non American) it’s that I’m never worried about it because it’s a non-issue. It’s only in the US when a server walks away with my card that I get paranoid. Also for tipping in the US I need to trust the server not to add a zero to the end of whatever number I wrote. In other counties I can either type in the tip on the machine myself, or ask the server to enter the total with the tip on the machine before I pay.

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u/TheKonii 28m ago

What do you mean by " money is insured"? Generally all tranactions made with PIN are considered as your willing actions, so its said you shouldn't give acces to your card to anyone. Besides that there are payments without any pin- just touching the card to device , untill you block card or call the bank its considered valid. And at last - do you hand the waiter cash when pay or give him wallet and wait untill he bring it back ?

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u/helloLeoDiCaprio 16m ago

If a country had a custom of walking away with your whole wallet, take the cash needed and return it, would you be paranoid?

I think many people not used to that happening gets a similar feeling

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u/D0ntC4llMeShirley 1h ago

America handles card payments like it’s the 1990s

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u/Ok-Sandwich-364 11m ago

I was on an Amtrak Train in 2018 and they still had those carbon copy credit card imprint machines. Felt so weird watching them take a copy of my card and then it took days for the charge to actually show up on my account.

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u/SchillMcGuffin 1h ago

It's becoming more common in the US as well, at least in high-end or chain restaurants with the capital to invest in POS devices.

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u/Cicer 1h ago

It’s like this in Canada too. You Americans just have too many banks that can’t get along. 

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u/IBJON 20m ago

What is that even supposed to mean? 

Payment processors handle the transactions, the PoS terminal isn't talking to your bank directly. Even then, banks get along just fine as far as transactions are concerned. 

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u/ladyzfactor 1h ago

What are you talking about? The waiter still runs all of the cards from the same system in America. The card type doesn't matter. Also, machines being brought to the table aren't super common but not unheard of in the states.

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u/gobuddy99 53m ago

Isn't Canada going to be pretty much part of Europe soon?

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u/Jermules 31m ago

They're joining th Eurovision so...

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u/largePenisLover 19m ago

Associate membership of the EU has been proposed. Canada would be the first to get that membership if it goes through.

In theory Canada could be a full member because there's a landborder with the EU thanks to some random rock (Hans island) near Greenland that happens to have the greenland/canada border running over it.

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u/En_skald 2m ago

Greenland isn’t in the EU, despite being a part of the Danish realm. And why would a land border with an EU country qualify you for EU membership anyways?

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u/aki-kinmokusei 11m ago

They bring the device to you which seems much more secure.

there are restaurants in California that have started doing this since 2021. However a lot of people don't like them because of the device asking for a tip and the server hovering around them waiting for them to finish paying so they can get the device back (and for the record, California does not have a separate minimum wage for servers like most other states so everyone makes the same $16.90/hr whether they're a server or retail worker)

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u/shpydar 23m ago

That isn’t the norm In the U.S.? It’s like that too in Canada

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u/NewAgeLand 7m ago

I think this is no longer true for many people. I actually can’t remember the last time I had my card taken away except for some “fancy” restaurants. Many places just bring the device right to you now

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u/ajslater 45m ago

It’s been that way in Europe for ages. But it’s been common in the US for the last ten years. At least in major metros. We skipped the bulky credit card readers and printers they had and leaped right to iPod touches.

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u/Berliner1220 1h ago

Often this is because Europeans do not use credit cards like Americans do. They use debit cards which are inherently less secure.

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u/mixomatoso 1h ago

Weren't creditcards famously known to be less secure because you could swipe them without a PIN or even copy the magnet strip? Debit cards in Europe have had a magnet strip + PIN + chip for 3 decades now and you can't build any credit debt which, in my book, is the safer option.

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u/General_Disaray_1974 40m ago

Its just easier to get the illicit transaction canceled on a credit card VS a debit card.

All major US cards have the same strip/PIN/chip combo as well, even the debit cards.