What do you think about this article from the American Conservative comparing Denmark to the US?

[u/mufftudder]

Article: America Can Learn from Denmark on Good Government

TLDR:

• Context: Sitting in a Copenhagen coffee shop, he finds himself worrying about retirement costs, healthcare and taxes. He concludes the people around him face those pressures far less.
• Happiness: He cites a ranking where four of the five happiest countries are Nordic. Denmark is second and the U.S. is 24th.
• Healthcare: Danes receive universal healthcare that usually costs them nothing at the point of care. He contrasts this with the U.S. system of Medicare taxes, copays, deductibles, multiple Medicare parts and enrollment penalties.
• Retirement: He says Denmark’s multilevel system replaces over 70% of prior wages, with low elderly poverty. He puts U.S. Social Security at roughly 40% for the average worker. He also describes the choice of when to claim (62 versus 70) as a bet on one’s own lifespan.
• Taxes and trust: Denmark’s tax agency pre-fills returns from third-party data, and most Danes approve them in minutes. He notes the U.S. tax code runs over 4 million words. He argues that public trust in institutions works as an economic asset.
• Smaller items: Danes typically get five or more weeks of paid vacation, and tipping is not expected.

His conclusion: Danes get the better overall deal. Higher taxes buy broad benefits and remove much of the psychological burden of financial risk. He says what he envies is the absence of constant financial fear, not Denmark’s culture or institutional design.

What do you agree with? What do you think we should change here in the U.S.?

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[u/Gaxxz]

The entire nation of Denmark has a smaller population than New York City.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Gaxxz]

Does this not scale?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Not really, it's easier to get a small population to accept the substantial tax burden. 

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Distinct_Doubt_3591]

Why would population size determine willingness to accept taxes? A larger population also provides a larger tax base.

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Because the larger the population the more people you have to get on board. The Danish federal government uses a 25% vat tax in addition to income, you think it's going to be easy to convince a majority of voters that adding 25% to the price of everything is going to be a positive? 

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Distinct_Doubt_3591]

It scales. Larger population, larger amount of people who want it. And what makes you think a 25% vat is necessary for universal healthcare here in America? And do you know that Denmark funds healthcare through general taxation, not the vat?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

 It scales. Larger population, larger amount of people who want it

Obviously not since things like single payer healthcare still poll around 43% support. Larger population also means larger amount of people who oppose. 

  And what makes you think a 25% vat is necessary for universal healthcare here in America?

Need to fund it somewhere. The OP is using comparing Denmark to the US so using their tax model. 

  And do you know that Denmark funds healthcare through general taxation, not the vat?

The vat tax represents 22% of Denmark's federal revenue, it's not earmarked for any specific use, it's part of Denmark's general tax fund. 

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Distinct_Doubt_3591]

Where is your evidence that providing universal healthcare to Americans requires adopting Denmark's 25% VAT?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Did you just completely skip over where I addressed that? 

Since the OP is using Denmark's benefits model I used Denmark's tax system. 

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Every state in the USA can implement every danish policy.

Every city can as well.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Cawkisthebest232]

What is this based on? Because it sounds like you’re unaware of the barriers and laws in place.
Denmark's healthcare system relies on national taxation, national regulation, and regional and municipal administration. Did you not know this?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

What is this based on?

Laws

[u/Gaxxz → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

States have the ability to tax, regulate, and administer.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Gaxxz]

States have the power to tax, regulate, and administer programs. They do not have unrestricted authority over healthcare. Do you believe they do?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Every state has the ability to enact a danish like healthcare system.

They should if the voters want to.

You got proven wrong yet again

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Cawkisthebest232]

You haven’t proven me wrong. You’ve simply changed the argument.

Are you unfamiliar with ERISA, which limits state regulation of employer-sponsored insurance? Or the fact that states need federal approval to redirect certain healthcare funds?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

You haven’t proven me wrong.

Actually, I did.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Cawkisthebest232]

Where?

[u/Gaxxz → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

They don't need unrestricted authority over health care to set up a universal health care program.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Gaxxz]

Are you unfamiliar with ERISA, which limits state regulation of employer-sponsored insurance? Or the fact that states need federal approval to redirect certain healthcare funds?

[u/Gaxxz → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

A state billionaire tax can pay for it.

[u/SincereDiscussion]

I just don't understand how anyone could look at our budget and think we don't spend enough on boomers or healthcare. Denmark is nice because Danes are nice. There may well be some policies we ought to emulate (for example, I assume they don't have birthright citizenship!), but I attribute most of their success to things we can't copy (being a tiny, smart and relatively homogeneous country).

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/SincereDiscussion]

Danish citizenship at birth is based almost entirely on jus sanguinis (descent). A child becomes a Danish citizen automatically if at least one parent (mother, father, or co-mother) is Danish regardless of where the child is born.

[u/SincereDiscussion → u/Cawkisthebest232]

It was funny a few months ago when liberals asked about what that would look like, as if we have no model for how a country functions without it. It looks like Denmark may actually be comparatively sane on immigration (relative to us). Good for them!

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/SincereDiscussion]

There is a small little town in central California named Solvang. It’s a danish themed city. Plenty of restaurants, bars, chocolate, bakeries, ice cream and scenery.

[u/HardToFindAGoodUser]

• Happiness: He cites a ranking where four of the five happiest countries are Nordic. Denmark is second and the U.S. is 24th.

There is no objective way to measure this. In fact, I would consider countries where "happiness" is rated near the top to just be very proud of their countries, i.e. nationalistic.

• Healthcare: Danes receive universal healthcare that usually costs them nothing at the point of care. He contrasts this with the U.S. system of Medicare taxes, copays, deductibles, multiple Medicare parts and enrollment penalties.

I live in Germany. The Danes have a semi-publically funded health care. Notice how they only say "free at point of care". Thats when you know their claim is likely bullshit. Turns out if you take the expenditures on healthcare and divide by workers, you come to $13,000 per year.

• Retirement: He says Denmark’s multilevel system replaces over 70% of prior wages, with low elderly poverty. He puts U.S. Social Security at roughly 40% for the average worker. He also describes the choice of when to claim (62 versus 70) as a bet on one’s own lifespan.

Complete and utter bullshit. The danish number includes work pensions and other investments. The Social Security number includes ONLY Social Securtiy. When comparing the average worker and only state pension benefits, Danes recieve $920 per month while Social Security recipients recieve $2071 per month. AND Social Security beneficiers can opt to retire at age 62 wheras Danes must wait until age 67.

This is such pure misinformation that there is not need to evaluate the rest of this nonsense.

[u/Heffe3737 → u/HardToFindAGoodUser]

Why do you believe there’s no objective way to measure happiness? The science of happiness in psychology has been a growing field for decades. Have you read any literature on the field? If so, what have you read?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/Heffe3737]

Another user chiming in

The existence of a multi-decade research field does not prove there is an objective, observer-independent way to measure happiness in the way we measure temperature, blood pressure, or length.

Happiness (or well-being) is definitionally tied to the person’s own experience, standards, and values. Self-reports are the direct access to that, which is why they dominate. Treating a number on a 0–10 scale as an objective unit runs into well-documented problems

[u/Heffe3737 → u/Cawkisthebest232]

Sure, but if you’re asking a population “how happy are you”, then so long as you’re asking the question consistently then you’re able to form a basis of comparison founded upon data. Even if that data is originated in the form of qualitative self-reporting, in aggregate, that data can still provide useful insights into how people perceive themselves and their environment. Or do you disagree?

As an example, if I ask five million people in Texas “are you happy?” on a scale of 1-10, and the average response is 7.8, and then ask five million Californians the same question and their score is 3.2, the. The data is telling us that Californians perceive themselves to be “less happy” than how the Texans perceive themselves. That’s still a very useful, and objective, data point.

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/Heffe3737]

That wasn’t your original claim. You are moving goalposts

You asked

Why do you believe there’s no objective way to measure happiness?

I told you why there is no objective way to measure happiness

[u/HardToFindAGoodUser → u/Heffe3737]

Why do you believe there’s no objective way to measure happiness?

There is absolutely no way to measure it. It is the definiton of subjective. It would be like trying to determine "love" in a relationship. What measurements do you use? Even if you come up with some sort of questions, there is no way they full encompass what is "love".

The science of happiness in psychology has been a growing field for decades. Have you read any literature on the field?

The Scientific Method, which is the process to produce "Science" requires:

• Determining a hypothesis
• trying to DISPROVE your hypothesis. If you try to PROVE your hypothesis, you are not doing science.
• Only after 1000s of attempts to DISPROVE your hypothesis can you say anything about the hypothesis.

Still think Psychology is a science?

Have you read any literature on the field? If so, what have you read?

No need. Not a science. But I will give them 100% credit, unlike "Social Science" and "Political Science" they retain the name Psychology. Good for them for being true to academic nomenclature.

[u/toru_okada_4ever → u/HardToFindAGoodUser]

Why do you keep repeating your weird self-constructed «definition» of science?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/Heffe3737]

Different TS.

 Why do you believe there’s no objective way to measure happiness?

Because happiness is subjective, what makes one person happy could make another miserable.

[u/Heffe3737 → u/Distinct_Doubt_3591]

Sure. But you can turn subjective responses into an objective measurement simply by measuring it at scale/using it as a comparison.

As an example, if you ask 100 people to measure their happiness, you will get 100 subjective answers. However the aggregate score is objective. You can then measure that aggregate score against aggregate happiness scores of other groups. That is objective data built on subjective responses.

Does that make sense?

[u/Browler_321]

What do you agree with? What do you think we should change here in the U.S.?

Isn't it widely accepted that one of the reasons for Denmark's high happiness/low stress ratings because of the country's overwhelming racial homogeny? The country is like almost 100% white and of Danish heritage.

[u/HouseAtomic → u/Browler_321]

Yes. A lot of High-Trust societies are pretty homogeneous.

I have a similar conversation w/ an aunt who comes down a few times a year. She lives in Vermont, but likes to lecture Texans on racism. Vermont is 92% white last time I checked. I literally have a taco truck at the end of my street.

[u/shiloh_jdb → u/HouseAtomic]

Why don’t societies with a more diverse population have a high sense of trust?

[u/HouseAtomic → u/shiloh_jdb]

Human nature? I'm sure there's lots of research into it.

I've just noticed that whenever I read some article about a high-functioning, high-trust society, it's always some place w/ a stable, homogenous population. Norway, Japan, etc.

Diversity can be great, but there are some pitfalls.

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/shiloh_jdb]

Name a diverse society who has the danish social systems in place. Identical immigration policies, border security , military spending, overseas spending, crime rate, demographics,

I’ll wait.

[u/freeformed70 → u/HouseAtomic]

Would you consider having a taco truck at the end of your street a benefit? I would! ❤️🌮

[u/HouseAtomic → u/freeformed70]

Of course. They used to have a torta named after my son b/c we ate there so much.

[u/vanillabear26 → u/HouseAtomic]

That’s fun! Was it a special recipe? 

[u/HouseAtomic → u/vanillabear26]

Just a regular carnitas torta on a toasted bolillo w/ a ham slice.

[u/jeepdays → u/Browler_321]

Japan is pretty homogenous, but their overall happiness is lower than the U.S. I don't think homogeneity is a driving factor for happiness, do you?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/jeepdays]

Happiness is subjective. Not a good metric to use.

[u/oraclebill → u/Cawkisthebest232]

Why does the fact that it’s subjective make it a bad metric?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/oraclebill]

I never said it was bad.

[u/oraclebill → u/Cawkisthebest232]

You said it was a bad metric to use. My question was why did you come to that conclusion?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/oraclebill]

You said it was a bad metric to use

I never stated this

[u/oraclebill → u/Cawkisthebest232]

You did in the comment I replied to.

Quote: “Happiness is subjective. Not a good metric to use.”

Did I misinterpret your meaning here? If so what were you trying to say?

[u/Browler_321 → u/jeepdays]

Well that's one I said it's one of the reasons. I don't even think I said it was a driving reason as you claim.

Japan is also noted for it's extremely low crime rate, so again I think the benefits of homogenity can certainly manifest in different metrics.

[u/jeepdays → u/Browler_321]

Honduras and Jaimaca are ethnically homogenous, but have high crime rates.

I don't think ethnically homogeneity is an indicator of favorable societal metrics, do you?

[u/Browler_321 → u/jeepdays]

Well that's why I said it's one of the reasons. I don't even think I said it was a driving reason as you claim.

[u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo → u/Browler_321]

Isn't it widely accepted that one of the reasons for Denmark's high happiness/low stress ratings because of the country's overwhelming racial homogeny? The country is like almost 100% white and of Danish heritage.

Lol this is an amazing answer. Denmark doesn't actually track "racial" data. They track country of origin. According to a quick google, 83% of Danish citizens are considered "of Danish origin" the other 17% are considered either immigrants or children of immigrants.

The bigger issue I have is your ready acceptance of the idea that everyone has to be white for good governance to work properly.

Is that it? Is there an acceptable amount of non-white people you'd be willing to share with?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo]

One minor imprecision: the ~83% figure refers to the total population, not specifically to Danish citizens. Among Danish citizens the share of Danish origin is higher (roughly 94–95% in recent data).

In short, the core claims hold: Denmark tracks origin/country of origin rather than race, and the large majority of the population is classified as of Danish origin, with immigrants and their children making up the rest.

[u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo → u/Cawkisthebest232]

One minor imprecision: the ~83% figure refers to the total population, not specifically to Danish citizens. Among Danish citizens the share of Danish origin is higher (roughly 94–95% in recent data).

I'm getting ~90%, but that's beside the point.

In short, the core claims hold: Denmark tracks origin/country of origin rather than race, and the large majority of the population is classified as of Danish origin, with immigrants and their children making up the rest.

Sure, but the comment I was responding to implied that socialism only works in Denmark because of it's "racial homogeny" and seemed to be of the notion that Denmark is "like 100% white."

So who gets to participate in the socialism? Is it only Danish citizens, or are there social safety nets for people just working there?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo]

So who gets to participate in the socialism? Is it only Danish citizens, or are there social safety nets for people just working there?

I don’t know and I don’t personally care. I added clarification to your comment.

If states want to have danish and or Nordic social programs, there is not a single federal law preventing them to implement said policies.

California once planned to offer illegal aliens free healthcare. I’m not sure what happened to that plan.

[u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo → u/Cawkisthebest232]

I don’t know and I don’t personally care.

Well, there are. Noncitizen workers can access government benefits they've paid into.

California once planned to offer illegal aliens free healthcare. I’m not sure what happened to that plan.

Are you curious? A quick google told me all about it. They've been rolling it out for ten years. Unsurprisingly, it's a far more nuanced situation than illegals getting free stuff

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo]

Please tell me why California, with the third largest economy in the world, cancelled plans to give illegal aliens free healthcare.

I can’t wait.

[u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo → u/Cawkisthebest232]

Please tell me why California, with the third largest economy in the world, cancelled plans to give illegal aliens free healthcare. I can’t wait.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by cancelled? Do you mean halting new enrollment?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by cancelled? Do you mean halting new enrollment?

No.

[u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo → u/Cawkisthebest232]

No

Then what on earth are you talking about? California has been rolling out the program since 2015.

[u/Browler_321 → u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo]

Denmark doesn't actually track "racial" data. They track country of origin. According to a quick google, 83% of Danish citizens are considered "of Danish origin" the other 17% are considered either immigrants or children of immigrants.

Ok, but in general for the vast vast majority of Danes they are white.

The bigger issue I have is your ready acceptance of the idea that everyone has to be white for good governance to work properly.

Whose acceptance?

[u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo → u/Browler_321]

Ok, but in general for the vast vast majority of Danes they are white.

You didn't answer my question. How many non-white people, in your reasoning, can participate in socialism?

Your original comment implied that Denmark's socialist policies work because of "racial homogeny." You said, "the country is like almost 100% white and of Danish heritage." That's a pretty consequential rounding-up.

So your premise is wrong, and I'm wondering if that changes any conclusions you've built on that premise.

[u/Browler_321 → u/ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo]

You didn’t ask me anything about socialism. I didn’t say anything about socialism. Idk what you’re hallucinating here

[u/Significant_Map122 → u/Browler_321]

That explains happiness.

But what about healthcare? Or the ease of paying taxes.

That seems like a choose as opposed to “it’s because we’re different”

Why cant we implement some of this stuff?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/Significant_Map122]

Every state in the USA is free to implement Nordic country measures.

[u/Cawkisthebest232]

That was a good article. Given how small Denmark is population wise, states should enact their own M4A and other Nordic social programs. They don’t need federal approval for that.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/Cawkisthebest232]

Red states would suffer heavily. Moreso than they are now. Why do you feel it would like that?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Every state can implement their version.

[u/CptGoodAfternoon]

This guy really isn't bright. He went to a coffee shop, felt frustration and envy, felt belittled by pretentious and uninformed locals there, then proceeds to feel insecure. So then he proceeds to think and write like a cave man: "Me in tiny happy country. They say so. They treat me bad. Why can't all empire USA all be same as better country?"

Denmark is a tiny group of people, highly subsidized by America and others. They have a reputation for being inhospitable, pretentious, and know-it-alls that are behind the times still thinking like modernists (mechanistic, incomplex, only surface understanding but thinking their understanding so deep). Like children of rich parents "who're born on third and think they hit a home run." They know nothing and can teach nothing because they aren't interfacing with the true challenges of the world in truth.

And this writer is just a schlepp with no pride, no backbone, no confidence, no depth of understanding, nor complexity.

[u/RosettaStoned_462 → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

My family member literally came to America from Denmark for more opportunities and they are much happier here..

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/RosettaStoned_462]

My family member literally came to America from Denmark for more opportunities and they are much happier here.

Much love

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/RosettaStoned_462]

I have family that moved to Denmark and they are much happier there.. what kind of opportunities did they find here?

[u/RosettaStoned_462 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Very few Americans move to Denmark each year and it's difficult to get in. Pray tell, what are they doing there?

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/RosettaStoned_462]

Living a better life. And sure, people might find living in America is better than Denmark and vice versa, but overall their healthcare system is better than ours. Would you agree?

[u/RosettaStoned_462 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

Since your family lives there, have you asked them their thoughts? And what did they say about health care in Denmark?

Because it's a known fact over there that public waitlists for non-emergencies are brutal. In fact, well over 50% of the entire Danish population now holds private health insurance plans just so they can bypass the public system and fast track their way into private clinics for faster treatment.

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/RosettaStoned_462]

How many Danish people die because they can’t afford medication or health care? How many families go bankrupt due to medical bills?

[u/RosettaStoned_462 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

You're acting like Denmark is some utopia where nobody ever suffers. To answer your question: nobody is dying from the cost of medication in Denmark because the government literally puts a legal cap on it. Once you hit the yearly out of pocket max of around $700, the government covers 100% of your prescriptions. They don't go bankrupt from medical bills because the government already strips over half their paycheck in taxes upfront And this idea that people are just routinely dying in the streets in America because they can't afford medicine is a completely fake internet script. It is literally illegal under federal law for any emergency room in America to turn a patient away or deny life saving care based on their ability to pay. On top of that, programs like Medicaid completely cover healthcare and prescriptions for low income Americans for next to nothing. If you have to pay a 50%+ tax rate for public healthcare and then still have to buy private insurance on top of it just to get treated in a reasonable timeframe, the system is failing

[u/METAL_WOLF_BB → u/RosettaStoned_462]

You’re presenting strawmen here. Nobody ever said or implied nobody suffers in Denmark. Nobody has ever said or implied that people are dying in the streets due to lack of medication and/or healthcare, which actually is true. Look at the homeless population. Literally dying in the streets.

Do you feel nobody has died in America from being unable to afford medication and/ or healthcare?

The average worker in Denmark pay about 35%. Where do you get your numbers from?

[u/RosettaStoned_462 → u/METAL_WOLF_BB]

OK, so first thing is my family member really did come to America from Denmark in their late early 30's. You're lying.

If the public system is as graeat as you're making it out to be, why do over 3.2 million people, literally more than half the country, —feel the need to buy private insurance policies?

The fact that private enrollment has exploded past 50% is proof that the universal system is cracking under its own weight. Danes already pay a massive chunk of their income in taxes upfront, yet over half the population still has to rely on private plans just to bypass brutal public waitlists or get basic care like dental and physical therapy fully covered.

A system isn't working f you're heavily taxed your whole life and still have to turn to private commercial policies just to get treated in a reasonable timeframe. It creates a two-tiered system where people with private coverage jump the line, which is exactly why it's failing to deliver on the universal promise.

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Demark is just one "State" when comparing Europe to the US. They actually sound a lot like Canada from the past. in 2018 they passed "ghetto laws" later changing the name to "Parallel Society Laws" that target cultural education of "non-western" communities by having mandatory schooling for all "non-western" kids starting at the age of 1 to instill Danish values. They punish crimes committed by "non-western" immigrants harsher. They also demolish public housing and forcibly relocate "non-western" immigrants to disperse them so they don't congregate and set up their own communities.

So if people still want to talk about being more like Denmark, which "non-western" demographic should we start with?

[u/IwishIwasaballer__ → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

But you need to differ between Denmark's refugee immigration and US that importing low cost workers.

One add value to the society, the other is a drag on it.

It's been the theme of the last 25 years. US bombing the middle east for the love of the game and Europe deals with the consequences when it turns out it was a bad idea and don't solve anything.

Makes sense?

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude → u/IwishIwasaballer__]

So Minnesota Somalis? Detroit Muslims? Native reservations? Who you want to start with?

[u/IwishIwasaballer__ → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Somali Immigrants in Minnesota - High**:** Approx. 85% of working-age adults are employed(I'm pretty sure it's a lower unemployment rate than the population in general)

Somali immigrants in Denmark - Somali-specific immigrants are at 26% to 38.5% employment rate

Do you see any difference?

You want to change it so they work less?

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude → u/IwishIwasaballer__]

no we are talking about being more like Denmark and forcing them to socially integrate and dispurse.

[u/IwishIwasaballer__ → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Denmark only did that because of crime and unemployment.

Or will you force the Jewish community to socially integrate and disperse as well?

And if you are going to integrate you will have to go to the native reservations? Or is it a cut off point when the culture was established? :)

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude → u/IwishIwasaballer__]

I mean sure, if we should be more like Denmark we'd integrate them all too. That's why I said they sound like Canada who did exactly that with all the Indian children.

[u/IwishIwasaballer__ → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Nah, Denmark does not force integration of productive members of society. Have you been to Denmark(or even to Europe?)

And isn't it a bit tricky with US as it's not a distinct culture but a mix of foreign influences. So what more than guns and hamburgers are genuine yank things?

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude → u/IwishIwasaballer__]

Oh so its not fair to compare a tiny monoculture country that would be a smaller US state in population and size to the entire USA?

[u/IwishIwasaballer__ → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

You can still run the same systems. In fact you get advantages of scale.

It baffles me that US haven't figured out tax returns or how to run elections despite being a long running democracy.

What I was asking was what culture people are supposed to assimilate to. Any certain values?