Here is another bust from my series dedicated to the heroes of the Greek War of Independence.
This time, it's Nikitaras (Nikitas Stamatelopoulos), one of the most renowned Greek revolutionary commanders and a close associate of Theodoros Kolokotronis.
Known as "Turkofagos" ("Turk-Eater") for his extraordinary courage in battle, he played an important role in several major victories, including the Battle of Dervenakia in 1822. He was also remembered for his honesty and refusal to enrich himself through the war.
The clothing style is quite similar to that of the Ottoman Turks, which is quite normal; it's likely that everyone in Anatolia and the Balkans dressed this way during that period. Good job.
Its not just "Turkic" influence. This outfit probably carries influences from a lot of peoples. In fact I dont know any Central Aslan nation dressing like this.
Othersstuff? Making it ours? What a joke, what you knowing about anatolian or balkan culture? Let me say, they are mostly same because of ottoman factor. Just religions and names diffirent. I grow up in mosque, nikolai grow up in churh or mosque at bulgaria. Just look at dances or wedding, its the same. You see, you cant saw any culture transportetion from west to east but you can see very well from east to west. You cant see fish and chips in india but you can see curry at britinia. You cant see german sausuge at turkey but you can see döner in germany. İn the end, western civiliation is nothing without east.
the west ccreated the technology that you use today also the reason you are similar with nikolai in bulgaria is because you are more western/balkan in culture thsn eastern/turkic lmao
the west ccreated the technology that you use today also the reason you are similar with nikolai in bulgaria is because you are more western/balkan in culture thsn eastern/turkic lmao
You can’t diminish turkic just to middle asia. It is a nomad culture and picks a lot of things around the path they pass but eventually those gatherings creates its own unique style in 100s of years. Let’s say this is quite Ottoman Turkic style.
Pff. Even an English engraver in 1622 depict Mehmed the Conquerer as “Turkish Emperor”(but funny enough depict him like a European). Read the bottom of his work.
Ottomans are indeed Turkic , they just moved further than their asian cousins and established a long living empire which absorbed a lot of other nations/cultures and eventually created an amalgamation of different styles in their own unique way of representation in clothing , music, cuisine and culture after processing them through their Turkic fundamentals and built them on top of that Turkic base.
So Ottomans are the representation of Turkic people on an imperial scale. Reaching such bigger scale doesn’t make them non Turkic, it made Turkic concept broader. You can’t take Ottoman out from Turkic world. Ottoman broaden the concept of “Turkic”.
The clothing in the picture in details such as patterns on clothes, style of waistcoat , hat, sword, dagger sheath, the sash(like belt) etc still reflects SIGNIFICANTLY Turkic style.
This style immerged as the dress of the lower classes across anatolia and the balkans. Ive been meaning to do some research into how it came about, because the individual influenced on its formation ate not apparent to me, as it became such a distinct style.
I know that despite this clothing coming around, the ottoman nobility stayed with a persian influenced dress for a long time, looking rather different than the lower classes.
By 1822, Nizam-i Cedid had been defunct for 14 years and Ottoman empire did not have a functioning army. Greeks fought against Muhammad Ali of Egypt and his irregular war bands that made of local Berber clans and armed families of Gaza and Syria. They were right to "eat" those people as Muhammad Ali's forces were a nasty folk. In few years they realized there was no point in fighting for a state without and army and decided to betray and invade it.
Late antiquity? Dude the Greeks had settlements in Anatolia probably before 1400BC.
The greek present in Anatolia counts more than 3 milenias. At least before Asia minor catastrophe, which is our fault for invading and trying to push to Ankara.
you dont know shit lol. there were 2 types of Turkish in the ottoman empire. one that's spoken by the sultan circle and upper class which was heavily influenced by persian and arabic, and one spoken by the common folk which then became modern Turkish. you probably thought this was a mic drop lmao
Not really we agree. indeed you have nothing to do with the sultans. Your ancestors were anatolian byzantine peasants and attaturk would've been beheaded by mehmed II
noone claims to be from the ottoman lineage lol, everyone from the ottoman bloodline were deported until 1974 by Ataturk himself. noone in Turkey loves the ottoman family except maybe a few sultans, one being mehmed II because he was a progressive man for his time and also Ataturk's role model. If he was in charge in the 1900s there wouldn't even be a need for ataturk.
Turkish and Turban do not belong in the same sentence, The adoption of the turban came alongside the discarding of turkic dress. Turbans were worn in the region by persians, byzantines and arabs. Turks adopting turbans came with their settling into sedentary life and assimilation into local culture.
I was talking about greek people in general but the guy named "Turk-eater" is pretty self explanatory. However it is a fact that during the Greek Revolt of 1821 (Greek War of Independence), tens of thousands of Turkish civilians living in the Peloponnese and the surrounding areas were subjected to systematic massacres.
Prior to 1821, over 90,000 Muslim civilians lived in the Peloponnese. By the end of the revolt, that population was wiped out to zero through systematic ethnic cleansing that wasn't collateral damage, it was the explicit goal of the uprising. Meanwhile, Ottoman retaliations like Chios as brutal as imperial counter-insurgency was never targeted the total erasure of Greeks. Millions of Greeks continued to live, trade, and hold key positions in Istanbul, Izmir, and across the empire for another century.
One side committed total demographic annihilation to establish a state, the other engaged in imperial suppression. The scales aren't even remotely balanced.
Claiming Morean Muslims 'weren't even Turks' to wave away a genocide is hilarious coping. They were Turkish-speaking Ottoman Muslims who had lived there for centuries, completely wiped out to the last child.
2.If Chios was aimed at 'total erasure of Greeks', why did millions of Greeks continue living in Istanbul, Izmir, and Salonica for another 100 years? You completely dodged the fact that the Peloponnese was 100% depopulated of Muslims.
3.Throwing in Pontus and Armenians the second your 1821 narrative crumbles is textbook whataboutism. You lost the debate on Morea and fled to a completely different century.
1muslims of Morea 'weren't even Turks' claim completely ignores the Ottoman İskan policy, the state-directed resettlement of Turkish speaking Yörük clans and Anatolian Turkmen tribes to the Balkans, including the Peloponnese, starting in the 15th century. These were not 'converted locals'; they were ethnically and culturally Anatolian Turks who built homes, mosques, and communities in Tripolitsa and Patras for over 350 years.
2Claiming millions of Greeks were kept solely for 'extra tax' and then removed 'when no longer necessary' is economically and historically illiterate. Phanariote Greeks held some of the highest offices in the Empire serving as Grand Dragomans (Foreign Ministers), diplomats, and governors of Wallachia and Moldavia while dominating Ottoman maritime trade and merchant banking for centuries. A state doesn't grant an ethnic minority autonomous religious patriarchates, international trade monopolies, and elite diplomatic power for 400 years just to view them as temporary 'tax cows'. You cannot reduce complex imperial demography to a simplistic fairytale just to avoid acknowledging actual historical realities.
1 most of them werent turkmen from asia so point stands
2 yes its true just cause some people like the phanarriots kept power dosent prove me wrong the greeks and other christian people were only tolarated cuz of the money that they brought
No, because Turks don't pretend the Balkan/Caucasus ethnic cleansings of 5+ million Muslims never happened while acting like sole victims.
Greeks erased every single Turk/Muslim from the Morea in 1821, built a nation-state on top of their mass graves, and still lecture everyone about 'victimhood'. That's the difference.
No, Turks don't deny 1915. We acknowledge that the 1915 relocation was a brutal wartime tragedy during WW1 triggered by violent Armenian militia revolts, while the Ottoman Empire was fighting on seven fronts. Both sides suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties due to famine and typhus; this was a humanitarian tragedy, but it does not constitute "genocide". In 1821 Morea, there was no world war or invading army. Greek rebels slaughtered 90,000+ unarmed civilian neighbors solely for 100% demographic erasure.
Translation: 'I don't have the reading skills or historical knowledge to counter your argument, so I'll just write a 1-liner cope and pretend I won the debate. 'Pathetic forfeiture
wartime tragedy lmaooo the violence turks/kurds incited upon civilian armenians were not proportionate towards violent armenian militia revolts. the state clearly seeked their demise, sent them on death marches with violent criminals, stole their property raided their homes and villages. both sides did not suffer hundreds of thousands of casualties, armenians sufffered tenfold if not more. and many thousands of armenians were killled starting from hamidiye massacres anyways for daring to revolt for their rights, they were slaughtered.
If 1915 was a plan for total extermination, why were 300,000+ Armenians in Istanbul and Izmir completely exempted from relocation and untouched throughout WW1, while over 500,000 Muslims were killed in Eastern Anatolia by Russian forces and Dashnak militias? You wrote three long paragraphs of emotional deflection because you physically cannot defend 1821 Morea, where 100% of the 90,000+ unarmed Turkish civilians were systematically executed with zero exemptions. That is the difference between an emergency wartime relocation on an active war front and pure ethnic cleansing.
your first sentence is lolzz you know you are supposed to show how turks approve that they committed atrocities to show how they are not hypocritical like greeks? why are you not following your arguement?
My argument wasn't that the Ottoman Empire had a spotless record, but that Turks acknowledge 1915 as a wartime tragedy while you completely deny the 1821 Morea genocide that built your nation-state. You are trying to lecture me on hypocrisy while actively ignoring 90,000 mass graves in the Peloponnese. You lost the argument on 1821, so now you're playing word games to cope.
No brother, I mean the civilian population he massacred in Tripolitsa and Navarino. They didn't just kill the Turks; they also killed the Jews and Albanians. Even the Greek rebel leader Theodoros Kolokotronis himself admitted in his memoirs that his horse's hooves never touched the ground in the city, as he walked over piles of corpses
Don't get me wrong bro, I have no intention of badmouthing the Greeks. Why the fuck are we fighting with each other when doner is so expensive in both of our countries?
That depiction of the character = Ottoman then. That’s just one thing you didn’t stole lol. Go further back then, mirror your roots instead of claiming my culture and cultural depiction. Delusional people making claims of other cultures.
i know that turks are a little bit dellusional and love to steal othe peoples culture but here we go
but ottoman dosent mean only turkish this clothing has many influences on it balkan/persian ect so i guess you stole that as well lol
there is no single people in central asia waring anythinglike that so go mirror your roots instead of just stealing your subjects culture that your turkic ass copied cuz you didnt have that much phycical culture go copy your subjects food that you usualy do
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This is a Bedouin Arab from the Ottoman era btw. You can't wear like Arabs in the Anatolia&Balkans even if you want because of the air conditions bro. You can't show one Arab that resembles the man op posted.
yea no you are correct and i am wrong what i was trying to say was that these clothes while obviously are turkish still have influences from other people thas all
Is there anything these losers haven’t stolen from the Turks 🤣 — cuisine, clothing, music? It must be sad to own nothing at all, which I guess is just the ‘admiration for their master syndrome’ that lasted for more than 400 years.🥱🤣👍
The nomadic turks didnt have a lot of physical culture even the ''turkish'' dolma baklavaand yogurt are stolen your culture is taking other peoples stuff and making it yours
Also even your star and crescent is greek so even your star and crescent is greek 🤣
The symbol has ancient roots dating back thousands of years before the Ottoman Empire existed. [1]
Key historical origins of the symbol include:
Ancient Byzantium The crescent moon and star was used as a civic emblem by the ancient city of Byzantium
also last you probably are a turk albano or a north macedonian always jealous of greek history and culture always trying to steal it and make it yours🤣
I mean these ''losers'' you speak of contributed to turkish culture with their cuisine, clothing, music, architecture. Anatolian turkish culture has roots in anatolian greeks
yes iam saying that everyone adopted including greeks during byzaantium if albanians created it in their land they whould giveit an albanian name not italian
what i am trying to say is the dress is as much an albanian one as it is greek not that albanians stole it from them
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u/Big-Can-3302 7d ago
The clothing style is quite similar to that of the Ottoman Turks, which is quite normal; it's likely that everyone in Anatolia and the Balkans dressed this way during that period. Good job.