r/CFB • u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran • Nov 03 '25
Analysis 4 AP Ranked Teams Still Have Zero Wins over Teams in Top 40 of Massey Composite: Oregon, Georgia Tech, Mizzou and Tennessee
https://masseyratings.com/ranks
FCS teams are excluded
# of Wins vs Top 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 Teams
| AP Rk | Team | Record | W10 | W20 | W30 | W40 | W50 |
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| 1 | Ohio State | 8-0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| 2 | Indiana | 9-0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| 3 | Texas A&M | 8-0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 5 |
| 4 | Alabama | 7-1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| 5 | Georgia | 7-1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| 6 | Oregon | 7-1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 7 | Ole Miss | 8-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| 8 | BYU | 8-0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 |
| 9 | Texas Tech | 8-1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| 10 | Notre Dame | 6-2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 11 | Oklahoma | 7-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| 12 | Virginia | 8-1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| 13 | Texas | 7-2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| 14 | Louisville | 7-1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 3 |
| 15 | Vanderbilt | 7-2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| 16 | Georgia Tech | 8-1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| 17 | Utah | 7-2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| 18 | Miami | 6-2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
| 19 | Missouri | 6-2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| 20 | USC | 6-2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| 21 | Michigan | 7-2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| 22 | Memphis | 8-1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 23 | Tennessee | 6-3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| 24 | Washington | 6-2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 25 | Cincinnati | 7-2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Wins Sorted by Highest to Lowest Opponent Ranks (per Massey Composite)
| AP Rk | Team | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
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| 1 | Ohio State | 13 | 20 | 22 | 50 | 59 | 78 | 86 | -- |
| 2 | Indiana | 8 | 22 | 23 | 56 | 60 | 65 | 71 | 87 |
| 3 | Texas A&M | 10 | 26 | 43 | 45 | 48 | 72 | 73 | 92 |
| 4 | Alabama | 6 | 17 | 24 | 25 | 58 | 86 | 121 | -- |
| 5 | Georgia | 7 | 25 | 43 | 48 | 61 | 95 | -- | -- |
| 6 | Oregon | 54 | 59 | 68 | 86 | 110 | 125 | -- | -- |
| 7 | Ole Miss | 12 | 26 | 39 | 58 | 61 | 67 | 73 | 132 |
| 8 | BYU | 11 | 40 | 41 | 47 | 70 | 81 | 88 | -- |
| 9 | Texas Tech | 11 | 35 | 53 | 57 | 110 | 123 | 125 | -- |
| 10 | Notre Dame | 16 | 46 | 52 | 73 | 97 | 117 | -- | -- |
| 11 | Oklahoma | 18 | 25 | 48 | 58 | 89 | 123 | -- | -- |
| 12 | Virginia | 15 | 38 | 67 | 76 | 85 | 88 | 99 | -- |
| 13 | Texas | 12 | 17 | 45 | 61 | 104 | 128 | 135 | -- |
| 14 | Louisville | 14 | 31 | 33 | 84 | 117 | 118 | -- | -- |
| 15 | Vanderbilt | 24 | 26 | 58 | 84 | 92 | 132 | -- | -- |
| 16 | Georgia Tech | 42 | 55 | 66 | 70 | 84 | 89 | 96 | -- |
| 17 | Utah | 29 | 30 | 70 | 71 | 81 | 100 | -- | -- |
| 18 | Miami | 10 | 28 | 38 | 43 | 88 | -- | -- | -- |
| 19 | Missouri | 48 | 57 | 58 | 115 | 136 | -- | -- | -- |
| 20 | USC | 18 | 37 | 87 | 94 | 97 | 107 | -- | -- |
| 21 | Michigan | 20 | 37 | 63 | 86 | 87 | 97 | 103 | -- |
| 22 | Memphis | 28 | 73 | 83 | 108 | 111 | 120 | 132 | -- |
| 23 | Tennessee | 45 | 61 | 73 | 96 | 112 | -- | -- | -- |
| 24 | Washington | 22 | 65 | 67 | 68 | 116 | -- | -- | -- |
| 25 | Cincinnati | 40 | 51 | 57 | 69 | 118 | 125 | -- | -- |
Record by Opp Rank
| AP Rk | Team | Record | Top 10 | 11-20 | 21-30 | 31-40 | 41-50 | 50+ |
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| 1 | Ohio State | 8-0 | 0-0 | 2-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 4-0 |
| 2 | Indiana | 9-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 2-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 6-0 |
| 3 | Texas A&M | 8-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 3-0 | 3-0 |
| 4 | Alabama | 7-1 | 1-0 | 1-0 | 2-0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 3-0 |
| 5 | Georgia | 7-1 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 2-0 | 3-0 |
| 6 | Oregon | 7-1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 7-0 |
| 7 | Ole Miss | 8-1 | 0-1 | 1-0 | 1-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 5-0 |
| 8 | BYU | 8-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 2-0 | 4-0 |
| 9 | Texas Tech | 8-1 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-1 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 6-0 |
| 10 | Notre Dame | 6-2 | 0-1 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 4-0 |
| 11 | Oklahoma | 7-2 | 0-1 | 1-1 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 4-0 |
| 12 | Virginia | 8-1 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-1 | 6-0 |
| 13 | Texas | 7-2 | 0-1 | 2-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-1 | 4-0 |
| 14 | Louisville | 7-1 | 0-0 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 2-0 | 0-0 | 4-0 |
| 15 | Vanderbilt | 7-2 | 0-1 | 0-1 | 2-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 5-0 |
| 16 | Georgia Tech | 8-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-1 | 7-0 |
| 17 | Utah | 7-2 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 2-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 5-0 |
| 18 | Miami | 6-2 | 1-0 | 0-1 | 1-0 | 1-1 | 1-0 | 2-0 |
| 19 | Missouri | 6-2 | 0-1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
| 20 | USC | 6-2 | 0-1 | 1-0 | 0-1 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 4-0 |
| 21 | Michigan | 7-2 | 0-0 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 5-0 |
| 22 | Memphis | 8-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 7-1 |
| 23 | Tennessee | 6-3 | 0-2 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
| 24 | Washington | 6-2 | 0-1 | 0-1 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 5-0 |
| 25 | Cincinnati | 7-2 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 6-0 |
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u/luis1972 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Alliance Nov 03 '25 edited Nov 03 '25
Of these teams, Oregon, Georgia Tech, and Mizzou combined just have one more loss than Tennessee by itself. And yet, somehow, Tennessee is still ranked despite 3 losses and not having any top 40 wins. Why?
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u/Nerazzurri9 Tennessee • Boston College Nov 03 '25
We don’t know either
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u/thejawa Florida State • Air Force Nov 03 '25
Who's left on your schedule that could use a win over a "ranked team"?
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u/MrF_lawblog Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25 edited Nov 03 '25
It's because the SEC mid teams get way overrated. There's no reason for Tennessee to have ever been ranked so high to begin with. Zero wins over a team with a winning record. Close losses sure, but no signature or even decent wins.
Oklahoma's best win is Michigan. USC also beat Michigan. Why are the rankings so far apart?
Iowa, Nebraska, Washington, Michigan don't get any of that benefit of the doubt. Iowa lost by 5 to Indy.
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Like walking into Kinnick and winning
by a comfortable marginis supposed to be easy.That place is one of the hardest places for teams to go into and win, especially outside of the blue bloods. Kinnick Voodoo is real
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u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
Tenn should be unranked
OU does have a better resume than USC. Top 4 wins for OU are vs 18, 25, 48, 58. Top 4 wins for USC are vs 18, 37, 87, 94. Losses pretty similar. USC picking up the Nebraska win was solid and finally got them above Michigan but maybe voters are less rewarding given the win came post-Raiola injury.
Michigan/USC/maybe Washington should be above Mizzou and Tenn but otherwise it's a question of the B12, ACC and G5 teams rather than SEC teams given H2H comparisons. Iowa's resume is poor. Nebraska's is ok but just got a lot worse with 3rd loss plus Raiola out.
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u/MrF_lawblog Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
Exactly! Thank you. I hadn't even looked at Mizzou.
Mizzou's best win is Kansas. Why are they not ranked 25th at best? They have literally beaten nobody and got taken to double OT by Auburn but ranked ahead of Michigan, USC, Iowa, and Washington. Absurd.
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u/LittleJerryLawler Oklahoma Sooners • Ole Miss Rebels Nov 03 '25
It was like that last year with them. Never beat anybody but always managed to stay in the Top 25.
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u/PoolSZN Texas A&M Aggies • Houston Cougars Nov 04 '25
They don’t schedule anyone and dinkel runs the score up as much as he can on everyone shitty they play. Works on the voters every year, seems might even get him a big boy job
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u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
Michigan and USC above Mizzou, yes
Washington, maybe
Iowa, no
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u/MrF_lawblog Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
Fair for Iowa, we'll find out this week. As we will with Mizzou as well.
Washington's Illinois win is better than anything on Mizzou's schedule to date.
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u/blueline7677 Indiana Hoosiers Nov 03 '25
I think Iowa is better than their resume suggest. Similar to Tennessee having close losses but no real win. They just are properly rated where Tennessee isn’t. Mizzou to a lesser extent.
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u/Jarkside /r/CFB Nov 03 '25
Mizzou’s close loss to Vandy looks worse after they choked against Texas. Alabama is ascendant though.
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u/Dull_Conversation669 Georgia Bulldogs Nov 03 '25
Right, imagine struggling vs auburn, who does that? /s
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u/AssistDirect5790 Auburn Tigers Nov 03 '25
Exactly. But if you sift through the comments throughout cfb Reddit somehow the SEC still doesn’t get its full respect and it “isn’t fair” how much easier everyone else has it.
The SEC is the best conference throughout. I rarely see that in dispute. But this is the crux of the annoyance from everyone else and I totally get it.
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u/SteemieRayVaughn Ohio State • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
I do not think the SEC is noticeably better than the B1G top to bottom this season. Bring up draft picks, championships, etc etc but THIS SEASON, there is an argument that the SEC isn't the best conference.
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u/Adart54 Georgia Bulldogs • Oregon State Beavers Nov 03 '25
If you draw a line across from the first in each conference and match them up. I think Indiana and the bad OSU are favored, and the rest of it the sec is favored. That's ignoring y'all's bottom 2 teams cause y'all are the b18 and we got 16 teams. Of course lines mean jackshit but its the closest we can get without actually playing the games which probably won't happen
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u/Day85Day Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
You hear this argument every year and then we get to the bowl games and teams like Illinois beat South Carolina.
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u/Surelynotshirly Tennessee Volunteers Nov 04 '25
The SEC has a winning record against every conference over the last like 5,10,15, or 20+ years.
So no, your point is invalid. You can use single data points to back you up but that's idiotic. tOSU lost to a mediocre VT the year they won a title.
You have to use the aggregate or you're just trying to intentionally be biased.
We played Iowa twice in a bowl game over the years and both times hearing how vaunted their defense was and how good they were only for us to blow them out.
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u/brokentr0jan USC Trojans • Victory Bell Nov 03 '25
I remember when the 8th best B1G team, USC was supposed to get clowned by LSU and A&M last season. How did that go?
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u/heavydhomie Ohio State Buckeyes • Ohio Bobcats Nov 03 '25
I’d pick Alabama over Indiana pretty much every day
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u/Adart54 Georgia Bulldogs • Oregon State Beavers Nov 03 '25
I would too, but the line is probably even or favors Indiana. I'm not going to make up bullshit because I think the SEC is much deeper
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u/Shenanigangster Virginia • Jefferson–Eppes Trophy Nov 03 '25
I would too, but I’d have to stop and think about it for a minute
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u/The_PantsMcPants Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
Sorry, but Iowa's resume is terrible. They lost to a 5-4 B12 team, they haven't beaten anyone with a pulse, I can't understand why people keep pining for them in the rankings. And they are 26th anyway, who cares parsing between 23-26?
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u/Mr-R--California Nov 03 '25
They lost on a last second field goal in a rivalry game, and they were tied with Indiana late into the 4th quarter. They’ve had convincing wins over Minnesota and Wisconsin (similar scores to Ohio State). Not saying they should be ranked but “terrible” isn’t how I’d describe their resume. The next 2 weeks will tell us for sure everything we need to know about Iowa
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u/srs_house Swaggerbilt Nov 03 '25
and Wisconsin
Nobody gives a shit. Not even Wisconsin fans, I'm pretty sure the only complaint they have is why they aren't losing by a bigger margin so they can fire Fickel.
they were tied with Indiana late into the 4th quarter.
Iowa's greatest strength is turning every game into a rock fight. IU outplayed them, but they did manage to contain that offense better than anyone else has. Their defense and ST always gives Iowa the chance.
On the flip side, you have a 25-24 win over 2 games back where Iowa had to come back from down 11 in the 2nd half and had a whopping 68 passing yards.
That's why voters don't trust Iowa. Maybe you get that team, maybe you get the one who destroyed Minnesota.
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u/Mr-R--California Nov 03 '25
I don’t disagree with your broader points, which is why I said I’m not arguing for them to be ranked. But re read my point about Wisconsin besides just cherry picking for your rant. It was in reference to the margin of victory
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u/BrotherPancake Vanderbilt • Central Missouri Nov 03 '25
convincing wins over Minnesota and Wisconsin
Bishop-Sycamore would beat Wisconsin.
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u/Mr-R--California Nov 03 '25
By what margin? My point is Iowa beat them by the same margin as highly ranked teams
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u/p00p00kach00 Iowa Hawkeyes • Yale Bulldogs Nov 03 '25
I would say that Minnesota at least has a pulse. They're 6-3. Our other wins are against bad teams though.
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u/Champion10101 Texas Tech Red Raiders Nov 03 '25
As a team that keeps losing to Michigan despite being the better team usually, you should know better than to judge Iowa for losing to Iowa St.
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u/VeniVidiVicious Iowa Hawkeyes • Rose Bowl Nov 03 '25
do you watch the games? How you play matters. They beat Wisconsin and Minnesota exactly as bad as OSU did
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u/idontgiveafuqqq Nov 03 '25
Oklahoma's best win is Michigan. USC also beat Michigan. Why are the rankings so far apart?
Might be the part where USC lost to illinois.
Iowa, Nebraska, Washington, Michigan don't get any of that benefit of the doubt.
Iowa lost to Iowa State. Meanwhile, Washington is getting the same treatment, 0 impressive wins except maybe at Illinois.
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u/Ambitious-Weekend861 Nov 03 '25
Oregon gets it though
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u/MrF_lawblog Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
They should not be ranked as high as they are. I think Iowa is going to give them trouble. I could see them not even making the playoffs with the remaining schedule they have.
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u/codnavar Texas Tech Red Raiders Nov 03 '25
Yea but they have sec quality losses…
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u/TampaTrey Tennessee Volunteers • SEC Nov 03 '25
Don’t look at us. We know we’re not that good and Saturday was the punctuation mark on it. Give someone else the ranking, AP, for crying out loud.
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u/kevinkevin32 Georgia Bulldogs Nov 03 '25
Not saying I agree with it, but It’s the eye test > resume voters that still have them ranked
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u/gingabreadm4n Ohio State Buckeyes • Big Ten Nov 03 '25
But what eye test has Tennessee looking good? They look sloppy as hell lol
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u/Pan_TheCake_Man Wake Forest Demon Deacons Nov 03 '25
The rankings are wierd, cause it’s a mix of “this team has won a bunch, they gotta ba ranked”
And of talent composition and ability to beat XYZ team.
FSU is ass and wake has been pretty good this year, I’d wager we’re the better overall team,
but wake has 0 talent and FSU has all the talent in the world so yeah we got whooped but prior to Saturday where would you put FSU ya know
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u/vicblck24 Tennessee Volunteers Nov 03 '25
Because someone has to be ranked there and mine as well keep us there I guess
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u/Specialist-Clue-7186 Nov 03 '25
Because Tennessee was a missed field goal away from beating the #5 team in the country.
How you win and lose matters. Not sure why people always ignore that. Or conveniently leave that out whenever it’s an SEC team.
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u/luis1972 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Alliance Nov 03 '25
Then, explain how Iowa, who narrowly lost to #2 Indiana and has one less loss than Tennessee, isn't getting that same benefit?
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u/Specialist-Clue-7186 Nov 03 '25
They should be ranked. And they are literally #26 so they are getting benefits lol.
There are way worse offenders in these polls. Why is Oregon 6? Why is Memphis ranked? Michigan at 21 is way more offensive.
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u/luis1972 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Alliance Nov 03 '25
I do think Tennessee's ranking is pretty egregious, but I also agree on Oregon. Nothing about that team screams top 10 to me. Taking PSU to overtime is not that impressive.
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u/Specialist-Clue-7186 Nov 03 '25
Fair enough. Good news is it will all work itself out. Looking at the teams just out of the Top 25, Iowa is really the only one I see that should absolutely be ranked. Not to mention the new CFB playoff poll will probably have Tennessee out.
Tennessee playing @ Florida and against Vandy will solve the ranking issue. The SEC has been an inconsistent bloodbath this year so it definitely makes it harder and more subjective than in years prior.
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u/Feint_young_son Tennessee • South Carolina Nov 03 '25
So should they both be ranked or neither be ranked homie your bias is showing
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u/grey_pilgrim_ Tennessee Volunteers • Sickos Nov 05 '25
They lost to an extremely mid Iowa State. Lost to Indiana. And barely squeaked out a win against a bad Penn State team.
We don’t have any good wins but we have zero bad loses.
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u/jwktiger Missouri Tigers • Wisconsin Badgers Nov 03 '25
because if a Kid makes a 45ish yard FG they have a win over UGA and the narriative is totally different.
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u/inevitably-ranged Tennessee Volunteers Nov 03 '25
We don't know either, but we have played alot of top 15 teams to the point we are totally "one play away" from winning
I don't agree with that keeping us in personally, but if AP actually watches games maybe that's why?
We blatantly should have beaten UGA, and UA should have been just a few point loss at their place at night but Vegas had some impacts in the final score but obviously one end zone play swung it 14 points and basically ruined the game. Oklahoma was a joke of a game that proved neither team should be in the top 20.... But we absolutely should have won just like the scoop n score player was lined up and should have been called offsides
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u/Tarmacked USC Trojans • Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
I find it hilarious everyone ranked ND high for quality losses but lose their shit over Tennessee
Every year this subreddit does this
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u/inevitably-ranged Tennessee Volunteers Nov 03 '25
It's always the SEC screaming about ND and the BIG screaming about Tennessee SCAR or even UA last year lol
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u/brokentr0jan USC Trojans • Victory Bell Nov 03 '25
Oregon plays Iowa, USC, and Washington though so it should sort itself out.
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u/gsfgf Georgia Tech • Georgia State Nov 03 '25
And we have Pitt (I assume they're top 40; we seem to have hugged the site to death) and UGA.
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u/rkp2k Oregon Ducks Nov 04 '25
Oregon could be in for a rough end to the year if our offense doesn't drastically improve
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u/tomato_johnson Oregon Ducks Nov 05 '25
Just fucking hand the ball off to Jordan Davison. Why is it so hard? Dude will be averaging 9 yards a carry and then just get benched for the rest of the game while we throw -2 yard screens and go 3 and out
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u/Corgi_Koala Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
If they beat all of them they will drop in every ranking and metric and this will repeat.
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u/Opulent-tortoise Harvard Crimson Nov 04 '25
Yeah ironically whether or not any of those teams end the season ranked probably depends on whether or not they lose to Oregon. Classic “if you beat them they weren’t that good, if they beat you you weren’t that good” situation
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u/PermissionAny259 Missouri Tigers Nov 03 '25
Not our fault Central Arkansas wasn’t ranked. Blame the AP cowards!
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u/sprintercourse Missouri Tigers • Team Chaos Nov 03 '25
Not our fault kU, South Carolina, and Auburn are all ass this year. They were all ranked* at some point this season.
ku was only receiving votes.
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u/tron423 Missouri • Michigan State Nov 03 '25
At least it won't matter too much longer
If we beat A&M, we'll have our signature win and any jump in rankings will be fully justified
If we don't, then we won't and we're officially just playing for a third straight 10-win year and nothing else
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u/Sea-Comb-7690 Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
In conclusion, Indiana should be ranked #1 in the country.
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u/wit_T_user_name Ohio State Buckeyes • Ohio Bobcats Nov 03 '25
Would not be shocked at all if they are come tomorrow.
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u/AshamedHelp6164 Notre Dame • Wittenberg Nov 03 '25
Indiana should be number 1 based on resume and ass kicking.
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u/wit_T_user_name Ohio State Buckeyes • Ohio Bobcats Nov 03 '25
I fully support it.
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u/luis1972 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Alliance Nov 03 '25
Same. Manifesting #1windiana
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u/MrDrProfesorPatrick Ohio State Buckeyes • Sickos Nov 03 '25
Folks, we play in West Lafayette this weekend. Do we really want to be #2 for that?
Any other week I fully agree, Indiana has shown they can play to their full potential. We have not yet, so they deserve it.
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u/lexbuck Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
I’m cautiously optimistic that the reason we haven’t played to our fullest potential is that Day is managing games and the season like he did last year. Saving guys and keeping them fresh for the playoff. He knows what we have and knows that we can win easily and don’t need to run up scores. We’ve looked damn good and most games the starters haven’t really played in the 4th quarter
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u/EvangelionOG Navy Midshipmen • Harvard Crimson Nov 03 '25
Unlike in wrestling you do not get disqualified for kicking too much ass.
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u/MReindeer Notre Dame Fighting Irish • Iowa Hawkeyes Nov 03 '25
I thought our kicking was the most ass
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u/ZappySnap Ohio State • Michigan State Nov 03 '25
There’s an argument to be made for Indiana for sure. There’s also an argument for OSU, with the most dominant defense CFB has seen in years, along with probably the best QB and best receiver talent.
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u/milkman163 Missouri Tigers Nov 03 '25
Our losses are solid. But yeah we need to beat A&M our OU to get some credit
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u/AgsMydude Texas A&M Aggies • UTSA Roadrunners Nov 03 '25
I'd prefer you get that credit elsewhere
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u/xPineappless Texas Tech • Vanderbilt Nov 03 '25
Penn State is worst, and that’s why early Pre Season rankings are useless.
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u/BombayGeeseHunter Missouri Tigers • Rice Owls Nov 03 '25
What no Notre Dame bump of losing close to good teams? Bama loss by 3 and a 7 point loss to Vandy at Vandy when it was tied at the 2 minute mark.
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u/highdraw_osu Nov 03 '25
Tennessee still being ranked is insane
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u/ixMyth Oregon Ducks • Cascade Clash Nov 03 '25
Yeah, Tennessee is the crazy ranking here. Truly shocking.
Nope nothing else to see here folks
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u/brokentr0jan USC Trojans • Victory Bell Nov 03 '25
They are the only 3-loss ranked team and they are on a bye this week and play NMSU next week. So they are at minimum guaranteed to be ranked for 3 more weeks despite having no good wins.
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u/DelayAgreeable8002 Texas A&M Aggies Nov 03 '25
No they arent because they will likely not be ranked by the CFP poll and the AP falls in line after that
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u/WhoHasMyPocketPussy Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
Well, maybe in the AP. They aren't guaranteed to be ranked it he playoff rankings coming out tomorrow, sooooooooo fingers crossed ey.
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u/zensunni82 Cincinnati • Ohio State Nov 03 '25
I doubt the committee ranks them tomorrow, and then AP will follow suit.
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u/inevitably-ranged Tennessee Volunteers Nov 03 '25
Had #5 beaten and just missed is also insane
I think it's a weird "eye test" thing, but yeah objectively/AP style we should be like #30 lol
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u/protodolo Georgia Bulldogs Nov 03 '25
Tbf UGA is like 3 plays away from being 4-4, so I think that #5 is fraudulent.
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u/inevitably-ranged Tennessee Volunteers Nov 03 '25
Yeah I actually agree with you, I'm just saying if we go by AP then us staying sorta can make sense and call it "eye test"
Hard af to do rankings this year when literally everyone but a couple weak conference teams (lol) are dropping games and/or looking exposed
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u/DirtThief Oklahoma • Red River Shootout Nov 03 '25
I think I've been infected by the SEC mind virus, because I keep seeing arguments people make for us and others in the SEC and genuinely agreeing with them when I know 2 years ago I would've been rolling my eyes and making sarcastic remarks about how it just means more.
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u/inevitably-ranged Tennessee Volunteers Nov 03 '25
Welcome! It's hard out here
And no one sympathizes when you almost beat a top 10 team every third week, despite those same fans playing 1 per year and getting blown out....... No I'm not salty 😂
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u/TybrosionMohito Tennessee • Vanderbilt Nov 03 '25
And then they’re stunned when Tennessee plays Iowa or Northwestern and puts belt-to-ass in the whogivesafuck bowl sponsored by I don’t care.
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u/grey_pilgrim_ Tennessee Volunteers • Sickos Nov 05 '25
Who would put there? Iowa? They lost to bad now unranked ISU team. And #2 Indiana. And barely squeaked out a win vs a bad Penn State team.
We lost to #4 bama, #5 Georgia and #11 Oklahoma. We don’t have any good win but zero bad losses.
Iowa has a bad loss. That the biggest difference.
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u/FlyProfessional2341 Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
It changes every week. This analysis is kind of pointless. 3 months ago Texas was number 1. 3 weeks ago Texas was doo doo, arch sucked, they were unranked. Now they beat Oklahoma and Vandy and arch looked good and they are good again.
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u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
we rank weekly, so we update weekly
but yeah the only ranking that matters is the final CFP ranking
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u/WhoHasMyPocketPussy Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
Yep, and this is part of the fun of college football. We are all here cause we love to argue with each other about how our team is better. If we were logical, we wouldn't even bother talking about this stuff until the last ranking.
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u/FlyProfessional2341 Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
I appreciate what you are doing. My remark wasn’t directed at the effort. It’s just truly impossible to know who is who and what is what from week to week. What if Penn St beat Oregon? Would their season have turned out differently?
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u/Boomhauer_007 UCLA Bruins • Oregon State Beavers Nov 03 '25
The real question is would them beating Oregon have made the loss to UCLA more or less funny?
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u/FlyProfessional2341 Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
Not as funny as Foster’s BIG media press conference or Jerry’s beautiful blond mop.
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u/Boomhauer_007 UCLA Bruins • Oregon State Beavers Nov 03 '25
We may not be good but we sure have been entertaining this year
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u/FlyProfessional2341 Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
We can both agree to that!. The Nico/Joey swap added even more entertainment!
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u/bruggibuster Oregon Ducks Nov 03 '25
They wouldn’t have lost to UCLA or NW had they won the game against Oregon.
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u/The-Gothic-Castle Texas Longhorns • /r/CFB Promoter Nov 03 '25
It should be noted that the Massey composite itself changes throughout the week. Ken posts different systems on different days. The composite at this exact moment will be different than what is up there on Thursday.
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u/Melkor1000 Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
A lot of the SEC teams are in a weird place. Those teams are very inconsistent this year and it makes gauging their strength of schedule difficult.
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u/protodolo Georgia Bulldogs Nov 03 '25
Feels like the SEC just doesn't have a great defensive team this year, I think OU is probably the best and Tennessee moved the ball at will on them.
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u/DirtThief Oklahoma • Red River Shootout Nov 03 '25
I think the balance of the rules of football right now just lends itself to no defense really being able to 'shut down' the best offenses.
I mean even when you go back and look at our CFP game. You guys had one of the best defenses in the country that year and we had 100 yards more offense in that game than Tennessee did in this game. The difference maker is the number of stops the defense actually can make and whether that gives you a shot to win.
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u/jjonez18 Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
This is a compilation of data that gets updated weekly. Not a week to week comparison. The more weeks compiled, the clearer the picture. Texas', rise and fall is accounted for.
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u/FlyProfessional2341 Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 03 '25
That’s my point. The only valuable pull is at the end of the year. Today’s top 10 win is tomorrows top 40 win.
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u/jjonez18 Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
Well, there's no fun in only caring about the final rankings. Half the fun is in the ride.
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u/Tsquared10 Oregon Ducks • Montana State Bobcats Nov 03 '25
Ours at least balances out with our final 4 games. 2 of the 4 in the current top 25, the other 2 are likely at or about top 40.
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u/howitbethough Nov 03 '25
Texas at 13 is voter malpractice
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u/Redeem123 Team Chaos • Texas Longhorns Nov 04 '25
We have two good wins, a close loss to #1, and one bad loss.
Are we good? Not really. And if we make the CFP somehow we’re screwed. But the ranking makes sense, especially if OU is still up there too.
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u/Practical_Lobster518 Texas Longhorns • Texas State Bobcats Nov 04 '25
We should be ahead of Oklahoma. If we stay at 13 fine, just put OU at 14. The game in Dallas has to matter.
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Nov 03 '25
Did one of you get mad and hack the Massey website? Cause it seems to be dead-ish at the moment. Also, it isnʻt powered (primarily) by "voters."
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u/Swaayyzee Missouri Tigers • Big 8 Nov 03 '25
Kinda been obvious for the last three years that we are just the Penn State of the SEC. We will win just about every game we are favored in, and lose just about every game we are the underdogs in.
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u/Likinhikin- Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 04 '25
This should be posted along with the AP etc. Good info!
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u/westernway2000 Nov 03 '25
You have to love the logic of quality losses, season after season after season...
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u/jhammy49 Texas A&M Aggies Nov 03 '25
Yup....8-4 is coming for us fast!
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u/WOOareola Missouri Tigers Nov 03 '25
Playing our 3rd string true freshman qb this week will really put the 8&4 curse to the test
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u/Dangerous-Meal8303 Nov 03 '25
The problem is that the AP voters are neither bright nor gay enough. UVA should be in the top 10!!!
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u/qotsabama Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
Everyone is shitting on Tennessee as they should, but Oregon is ranked fucking 6th lol. Thats a major problem
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u/brokentr0jan USC Trojans • Victory Bell Nov 03 '25
Your opinion on Oregon is going to heavily depend on if you believe that Penn State was a good team when they played, and Oregon just broke them.
Some feel that Penn State probably always sucked, so the Oregon win is unimpressive, while others feel that Penn State was a genuine top 5 team during that matchup that Oregon broke. I think it’s somewhere in the middle TBH
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u/WhoHasMyPocketPussy Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
Well, they didn't look that impressive against their cupcakes to be honest. I'd wager that if they played literally anyone with a pulse non con, they'd likely have a loss before they even got to Oregon. And its not like they just had bad luck and scheduled a team that fell off either. Straight baby shit scheduling.
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u/bruggibuster Oregon Ducks Nov 03 '25
Cupcakes: Montana State, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, NW and Rutgers all blowouts. Wisconsin was closer than it should have been, but we were also playing is extremely rainy and windy conditions and our starting QB missed all but the first minute of the second half.
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u/WhoHasMyPocketPussy Alabama Crimson Tide Nov 03 '25
Apologies, my comment was in reference to Penn State. While I have some doubts about Oregon, their OOC isn't a concern for me. OKST has been and most likely was still a solid team when that game was scheduled.
I was more commenting on the statement that "Oregon just broke them"
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u/MrHobo Oregon Ducks Nov 03 '25
A major problem how? Not really our fault Penn St fell apart and our one loss is to a really really good Indiana team. It’s the middle of the season and we still play Iowa, SC, and UW. If win out the ranking will be justified and if not, we’ll drop considerably.
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u/wit_T_user_name Ohio State Buckeyes • Ohio Bobcats Nov 03 '25
Who would you put in front of Oregon?
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u/defroach84 Texas Tech Red Raiders Nov 03 '25
BYU, seems like an easy choice.
And then next week, Texas Tech
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u/lonewanderer727 Oregon Ducks • San Diego Toreros Nov 03 '25
Ah, but you see, you forget BYU doesn't have a quality loss
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u/defroach84 Texas Tech Red Raiders Nov 03 '25
Yeah, it really is screwing up my algorithm on how I calculate B1G and SEC quality losses vs actual Big 12 wins.
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u/1850ChoochGator Oregon State • Washington Nov 03 '25
BYU and Ole Miss for sure.
BYU is undefeated with a win over a ranked team, #17 Utah. Ole Miss has the same record as Oregon, and while UGA isn’t as good as IU, Ole Miss beat current #11 OU.
Thats the highest Oregon should be, #8
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u/Turbulent-Damage-165 Auburn Tigers • Oregon Ducks Nov 03 '25
Ole Miss? The team that barely scrapped by Washington State? At least in our easy matchups we have dominated
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u/1850ChoochGator Oregon State • Washington Nov 03 '25
WSU is an excellent team anyone who beats them deserves to be ranked
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u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
Ole Miss
BYU
Texas Tech (probably)
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u/wit_T_user_name Ohio State Buckeyes • Ohio Bobcats Nov 03 '25 edited Nov 03 '25
I get the argument for Ole Miss and BYU but if your argument is that Oregon hasn’t played anyone, that also has to apply to Texas Tech, who has the worse loss of the two.
Edit: totally forgot about Utah. That does give Tech a better win. I still like Oregon above them as a whole but that’s a fair argument the other way.
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u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
Texas Tech has a dominant win over Utah.
IMO Oregon and Texas Tech have similar resumes. Texas Tech won their hard game but lost to a middling opponent. Oregon lost their hard game but has won against all the inferior games.
It's a theoretical discussion of what is preferred.
They're neck and neck across metrics like SOR and Resume SP+ because they've been very similar. IMO I like Texas Tech better now as Oregon's resume is inflated in analytics by the Penn St game.
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u/velociraptorfarmer Iowa State Cyclones • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 03 '25
Not to mention Tech's lone loss is on the road against 6-3 Arizona State while their starting QB was out.
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u/Penguin_dingdong Utah Utes Nov 04 '25
It was a good win, but slightly deceptive score. That game was 13-10 halfway through the 4th quarter. Wheels just fell off once they finally got down by 2 possessions mid 4th
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u/tmart12 Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Nov 04 '25
Fair enough. It was a 98th percentile game per FEI, which is what I often like to look at. Utah is proving to be a good team regardless, much better win than Penn St.
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u/Evtona500 Georgia Bulldogs Nov 03 '25
How is Tennessee still ranked? No offense they had us on the ropes but they have 3 losses.
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u/Feint_young_son Tennessee • South Carolina Nov 03 '25
Oregon and GA Tech should be ranked
UT and mizzou should not.
- this subreddit
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u/Organic-Storm-4448 Oregon Ducks Nov 03 '25
What playing in the Big10 does to a mf SoS.
Also, Indiana and OSU are rudely sending our opponents to the shadow realm.
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u/Wheels_Foonman Tennessee • Transfer Portal Nov 04 '25
The real wins are the friends we’ve made along the way.
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u/NewWrap693 Texas Longhorns Nov 03 '25
Better wins than ou and beat them by 17 on a neutral field. Yeah, ap poll is obsolete.
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u/LateForTheSun Notre Dame Fighting Irish Nov 03 '25
These are always fascinating posts but I've always thought that the first table makes more sense if you sort the columns the other way since the numbers represent a sort of narrowing.
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u/DickInAToaster Ohio State Buckeyes Nov 04 '25
Wait, Ohio State has more top 30 wins than everyone but Bama and Indiana? I was top Ohio State has the worst schedule ever.
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u/Mandan_Mauler Missouri Tigers • Tusculum Pioneers Nov 04 '25
Should’ve beaten Vandy, but what are you going to do about bad refs and players gator rolling your QBs ankle?
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u/meatwagon25 Nov 06 '25
Its a little misleading for Oregon. Penn St was #3 and regarded as a contender when Oregon beat them on the road. Its not Oregon's fault Penn St completely imploded after losing to them.
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u/AriDreams Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Nov 03 '25
We can only play who they put in front of us (please I am still coping from this weekend).