[Josh Pate] Been on the phone with several CFB refs/officials this morning. They are in complete agreement last night’s outcome in Michigan is one of the most inexplicable they’ve ever seen

[u/Lakelyfe09]

https://x.com/joshpatecfb/status/2096622445700517893?s=46&t=fwgmryeTanENut7u28ScCA

[u/WinstonChurchill74]

EVERY CONFERENCE needs to follow the ACC’s lead. Attach the review room to the live broadcast.

[u/extrabeefcake → u/WinstonChurchill74]

yes

[u/Equal_Peak3018 → u/WinstonChurchill74]

If that happened you will overhear big ten officials say "add point tenths to the clock"

[u/WinstonChurchill74 → u/Equal_Peak3018]

Maybe

[u/QuickUp14 → u/WinstonChurchill74]

The same conference that had jacked up tiebreaker rules was the only one who did that right. This sport is so sick.

[u/WinstonChurchill74 → u/QuickUp14]

We need a formal governing body with some teeth to even things out

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

No matter how this turns out

The Student section rushed for more yards than the football team.

[u/Lueden → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

This is objectively hilarious

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable → u/Lueden]

Gotta thank one of yours for that

[u/final_burrito → u/Lueden]

Ha ha can’t imagine my team being laughed at for rushing yards… wait.

[u/nerdyykidd → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

This will make for an absolute banger of a Jeopardy question

[u/overitallofittoo → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

As terrible as this call was, we're getting some banger comments and memes.

[u/11Slip532 → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

Honestly, this is fucking funny.

[u/VampireEmpire__ → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

They probably threw for more than their bum qb.

[u/brodanotyoda → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

Incredible comment 😂

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable → u/brodanotyoda]

A michigan fan made it in their sub, it was too good not to use

[u/CharlieMoonMan]

Definetly not thrilled its called the Hawk-eye clock 🤣

[u/SurpriseFrenchFries → u/CharlieMoonMan]

For those in the sports industry Hawkeye doesn't have the best reputation. Plenty of errors in their systems that just kind of get hand waved away

[u/CharlieMoonMan → u/SurpriseFrenchFries]

Sounds like the Brian Ferentz of systems

[u/SurpriseFrenchFries → u/CharlieMoonMan]

Hahahah, yep. Should have gotten rid of it years ago but somehow keeps coming back

[u/voxpopper → u/SurpriseFrenchFries]

By rule Hawkeye is NOT to be used for time keeping, the official game clock is. If refs are citing that is what they used then it is in violation of the rules.

[u/Responsible-War-9341 → u/voxpopper]

Agreed. Don't know that this is what they were using (they should not have been) but until they confirm that they were not, then it remains a possible explanation of the difference between the clocks. Of course NBC could have just been wrong too.

[u/steampunker14 → u/Responsible-War-9341]

Isn't the clock that NBC put on the replay just a camera pointed at the stadium clock?

[u/Responsible-War-9341 → u/steampunker14]

Yes. Exactly. But it was composited onto the angles of the play for the replays. This works perfectly accurately so long as the camera pointed at the clock and the camera(s) of the play in fact did have correctly synced frame accurate timecode as the should have. NBC indicated that they did on air at the time and have yet to come out and revise that.

[u/Aero_Rising → u/SurpriseFrenchFries]

Unless you recalibrate the system constantly which isn't feasible a system like that is going to have a margin of error. Most fans have no idea how the system works and that it just figures out the position using some crazy math. That's not possible with one camera. It works using a network of synced cameras at precisely measured locations to use math to determine the ball location.

[u/Yoduh217 → u/CharlieMoonMan]

As a big tennis fan, we are very familiar with Hawkeye. Didn't even know it was a thing in other sports

[u/MaybeSecondBestMan → u/CharlieMoonMan]

You see, everyone? This is all Iowa’s fault.

[u/CyanideNow → u/MaybeSecondBestMan]

It does seem our 2023 offense inspired your performance last night…

[u/Florida_clam_diver]

Okay i understand the broadcast clock isn’t official and could get out of sync. My issue is every clock was literally set to 9 seconds before that play. So somewhere from the snap to the ball making contact with a defender in the end zone the clocks got on different times. This very likely means it was related to when the clock started on the snap

Watching the broadcast clock it seemed to start immediately after the snap, which would make it accurate. The official game clock being behind would suggest that it got a slightly delayed start, which ultimately lead to there being enough time left on the clock to warrant adding a second back. It’s either that or the broadcast clock started early, which i see no evidence of

I find that problematic if we’re to be told this secret clock is the end all be all of the game.

[u/MongoMoonwalked → u/Florida_clam_diver]

The ramifications of it are insane too. Theres always like a handful of games a season that have this exact same scenario. If there’s this third click that actually is the main one, then we need to go back and check all the other games that ended with a down left at 0:00.

[u/Worried-Turn-6831 → u/MongoMoonwalked]

And why haven’t I ever heard of the secret clock before

[u/MajesticCentaur → u/Worried-Turn-6831]

We all decided not to tell you.

[u/BensenJensen → u/MajesticCentaur]

Don’t tell him about the other stuff.

[u/jaywayhon → u/BensenJensen]

It’s butt stuff, isn’t it?

[u/upsidedown_llama → u/jaywayhon]

if you have to ask, you can’t afford it

[u/Don_Cornelius- → u/Worried-Turn-6831]

The only other time is when Michigan used the same excuse for a loss in East Lansing 25 years ago. How ironic

[u/Double-Mine981 → u/Don_Cornelius-]

Bama used similar logic to get a game winning field goal vs Auburn

It was a famous game winner too. Just not for bama

[u/abroberts1 → u/Double-Mine981]

I can’t speak to the Michigan–Michigan State game, but this statement about Alabama is unquestionably wrong. The game clock displayed in the stadium and on the TV broadcast during the replay of the previous play was very obviously and clearly at 0:01 when the ball went dead. Thus, it was never a controversy.

[u/Longjumping_Wolf_912 → u/abroberts1]

Yeah, wtf is that person talking about?

[u/Responsible-Onion860 → u/MongoMoonwalked]

I doubt Michigan is good enough to make the playoffs this year, but if they're close, this game is going to make a massive difference.

[u/nafrotag → u/Responsible-Onion860]

For all we know WMU is playoff caliber and now has an uphill battle the rest of the season Notre Dame style

[u/Ok-Soil-5133 → u/Florida_clam_diver]

Yeah Terry McAuley on NBC said both clocks were indeed synced

[u/ATXBeermaker → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

He didn’t even say “I think they’re synced.” After all was said and done he said he spoke with someone and confirmed they were synced.

[u/BetIndividual3918 → u/Florida_clam_diver]

Well, the REAL Big 10 game clock is actually orbiting mars in a secret Big 10 space ship with the secret Big 10 officiating crew so we have to account for time dilation

[u/Rare-Psychology-3527 → u/Florida_clam_diver]

The league claims it was synced, if it gets out of sync, why wouldn't you default to the scoreboard clock (you know, the one the coaches and players have access to view)

Instead they do some NASA fakery bullshit with a 1960s overlay of what could literally be a calculator for all we know.

[u/neontheta → u/[deleted]]

Yeah imagine doing this in basketball where there are multiple clocks and a big red backboard light that goes off at zero. To say, yeah but oops the real clock is actually a second behind that under any circumstance would be crazy.

[u/Kyro_Z → u/[deleted]]

Now we can never trust any scoreboard clock ever again since we don't have access to the "real" one

[u/Crewman_Guy_Fleegman → u/Kyro_Z]

For all we know one of yesterday’s games might still be going on, and we’ll never know without access to the Secret Clock™

[u/ATL28-NE3 → u/Crewman_Guy_Fleegman]

Clemson can still win

[u/Flytanx → u/ATL28-NE3]

I don't think adding more time is going to help them...

[u/BasilPlumley → u/Kyro_Z]

Washington State fans know this. A lesson also learned while playing against Michigan.

[u/BlazinAzn38 → u/[deleted]]

That’s exactly my issue. If the clock that’s used by the players and coaches for decisions can be wrong then why is it even there? Just have the super secret accurate clock be on public view

[u/ultimate_placeholder → u/Rare-Psychology-3527]

They used an allegedly synced video of the scoreboard clock and the play, there wasn't a recording available showing both the scoreboard and the play in the same shot, if it exists/is possible, it's basically the CFB Zapruder film

[u/TachyAndTired → u/ultimate_placeholder]

https://imglink.cc/cdn/Yy1j2yWV_R.png

https://imgur.com/a/vfsFhOF

I tried to line this up as best as I could with Underwood's feet, the OL/DL feet, the CB's position, #71's head turn and player's relative to each other

[u/ConsuelaApplebee → u/Florida_clam_diver]

I tried to post this independently but the mods inexplicably removed it. See below:

I've been trying to pull every bit of information together because this is driving me nuts. This is what I have. Someone correct me if I have something wrong.

1. The "official clock" is actually used by NBC. The announcer statement that the official clocked is synced with NBC is literally true (but really misleading - see below). There are not 2 clocks.
2. The clock shown on the screen is linked electronically to the official clock and NBC creates a graphic of that information for merger with everything else that is broadcast including graphics and field play. So the clock and field are independent sources of information blended for broadcast.
3. There is a delay between the video from the field prior to its merger with the clock information. Stated another way, the delay in rendering the clock information is less than the delay in rendering video from the field. So the 2 are not in sync when merged. So when the announcers say the NBC clock is synced with the official clock that is true but the clock is not synced with the field play we are seeing.
4. So there was 9 seconds on the clock. The ball is snapped. The clock begins running but the field video is lagging the clock. Let's say the the field video lags by 0.5s. We see the snap on the broadcast when the clock is at 8.5 seconds and has been running for 0.5s (if NCAAF showed tenths this would be apparent). The clock runs down to zero because the clock is ahead of the video feed.

All of this said, I do wonder how this has never come up before, including in basketball. I am assuming there the argument would be that the delay in the video feed was extraordinarily long last night for some reason?

[u/jdhall010 → u/ConsuelaApplebee]

Suppose we replay the first failed hail mary and run a separate clock off to the side. How many seconds did the play actually take from snap to touching the WMU defender's hand? Was it less than 9.0 seconds?

[u/LehmanWasIn → u/ConsuelaApplebee]

All of this said, I do wonder how this has never come up before

You kinda came up with the problem at the end without really realizing it. All of us have watched hundreds of games with close clock endings in our lives and nobody has ever seen anything like this before. There's no explanation that works if you can't explain why we all have watched hundreds of basketball, hockey, and football games where the in-stadium scoreboard is official until last night.

[u/JaggedUmbrella → u/Florida_clam_diver]

You know what's problematic? The fact that the clocks in the stadium aren't official clocks. The only clocks the coaches and players have access to aren't the official time? I'm sorry, that's absurd. We have the technology to talk to someone face to face in real time anywhere on the globe. I have a $5 alarm clock that updates to official world time via low frequency radio waves every few minutes. This is 60 year old technology. We can do so many things with technology that was only recently unimaginable, yet we can't get an official clock in the stadium? Fuck off. I'm growing to hate this sport for a myriad of reasons, but this is stupid, and a stupid explanation, and the conference and everyone should feel stupid.

[u/Florida_clam_diver → u/JaggedUmbrella]

Exactly, that’s the other issue

So even if everything the big ten said is accurate, they’re essentially admitting the clock that players and coaches use isn’t accurate. They also utilize the stadium clock for the play clock and whether it’s a delay of game or not

So even taking the B10’s ruling as gospel it just brings up so many other problematic issues

[u/stonedturkeyhamwich → u/Florida_clam_diver]

they’re essentially admitting the clock that players and coaches use isn’t accurate.

That might have already occurred to them when the officials had to correct the clock after the previous play.

[u/kirkismyhinrich → u/Florida_clam_diver]

What is also problematic for me is, even if you believe a secret clock afforded Michigan an extra second, we all know god damn well that that extra second wouldn't have been awarded to Western Michigan or any other school if the roles were reversed. That was a Michigan-only extra second.

[u/Murky-Echidna-3519 → u/kirkismyhinrich]

WMU never gets a review at all.

[u/Florida_clam_diver → u/kirkismyhinrich]

100%. Any game where the home team wins and everyone’s celebrating the refs would’ve just had an express review and decided the clock was at 0, game would’ve been over

[u/Apart_Number_2792 → u/Florida_clam_diver]

💯

[u/Clemsontigger16 → u/[deleted]]

The refs did a terrible job rigging the game with all the unfavorable calls all throughout the game to that point.

[u/buckeyefan1930 → u/Florida_clam_diver]

"secret clock" lol

[u/Responsible-Onion860 → u/Florida_clam_diver]

It's simply a lie to cover up the misconduct. The Big 10 has a financial incentive for Michigan to win. MAC has financial incentive not to fuck with the "we'll pay your teams to come get beat up by our teams" arrangement. Western Michigan got at least $1.5 million for what was meant to be a tune up game. The MAC thrives off those arrangements.

They rushed out a fabricated image of the "official clock" not matching the stadium and broadcast clocks. It's all bullshit because nobody's going to do anything about it anyway.

[u/AnonThrowAway072023]

So fuckin awesome CFB is adopting the FIFA 'only the on field refs clock matters and no they ain't telling anyone what it says' excellent aspect of futboll

[u/OSUfirebird18 → u/AnonThrowAway072023]

I love futbol but that is my most annoying complaint. You never know how much time is actually left.

[u/TheSmartDog_275 → u/OSUfirebird18]

Well back with the 22 World Cup they made it accurate stoppage time by putting stuff in the balls but people hated it so much because it was ridiculously long so fifa went back to refs purposefully underselling it.

[u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner → u/OSUfirebird18]

What’s worse is people defend that shit. It makes no goddamn sense when every sport has figured out how time works

[u/FloweredWallpaper → u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner]

every sport has figured out how time works

Until last night.

[u/Intimidwalls1724 → u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner]

I legitimately think it works against Soccer's popularity in the US

[u/TapNumerous4625 → u/AnonThrowAway072023]

What’s awesome is if it were the other way around there is zero chance they give WMU another shot. It’d be “the game is over” and they’d haul ass to the tunnels. Which is where rats do often run to. 

[u/UpInSmokeMC]

Just wanna know why the clock that the players, coaches, fans, and announcers use isn’t the actual game clock

[u/TapNumerous4625 → u/UpInSmokeMC]

Because Michigan has a special clock. It’s been used before.

[u/Martbell → u/TapNumerous4625]

She goes to another school. You wouldn't know her.

[u/Knightro829 → u/Martbell]

Ohhhhh…I wish you could meet my game clock! My game clock who lives in Canada…

[u/DarkSide830 → u/TapNumerous4625]

A very special clock - everyone's been saying it!

[u/so2017 → u/TapNumerous4625]

I heard if a team hits a buzzer beater against Michigan they get to use their special clock so they get more chances.

[u/maryshellysnightmare]

Funniest part of that thread is the comment below it:

"Remarkable statistic:

Prior to Western Michigan, college football teams were 110,352 - 0 when leading after the end of regulation, dating back to 1869."

[u/TurkeyThaHornet → u/maryshellysnightmare]

So it was definitely due to happen, and it's totally not a coincidence that it happened to avoid an upset against a massive, well known team. 

[u/LaffertyDaniel8 → u/maryshellysnightmare]

So everyone has forgotten about the 2016 Oklahoma State - Central Michigan game I see

[u/BeefInGR → u/LaffertyDaniel8]

Technically, untimed downs are still considered to happen in regulation.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

I wish it was on a network other than NBC so we could see Matt Austin or one of the rules analysts that defend the refs at every turn try and defend that

Of course Terry McAuley doesn't do that which is why he's one of the best ones

[u/Professional-Trash-3 → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Gene Steratore: "I dont know about this one, Todd." chuckles nervously

[u/ewest → u/Professional-Trash-3]

My favorite Gene Steratore moment was in an NFL game a couple years ago. Call is blown on the field. They review it. They inexplicably uphold the blown call after viewing the replay. They pipe in Gene and ask him what happened. He responds with a full-throated defense of the call that would be the opposite of what the refs made on the field, praises the refs for getting it right in real time (which they didn't), and 'agreeing' with the replay's conclusion (again, the replay upheld the blown call, the opposite of the call he's advocating). Even the commentators in the booth had to tell him that he had everything backwards. It was all-around one of the most embarrassing conversations I've seen among a broadcast crew.

[u/Curious_Blueberry768 → u/ewest]

There's a lot of lead in the pipes around Pittsburgh 

[u/CupOfCocoa__ → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Terry McAuley just doesn't want another beer bottle thrown at his noggin

[u/JB92103 → u/CupOfCocoa__]

December marks 25 years since Bottlegate

[u/TideOneOn → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

In Matt Austin's defense he did go against the refs in the Bama game.

[u/Tarmacked → u/TideOneOn]

That hold was bullshit PAWL

[u/Threedawg]

Die hard michigan fans in the family are embarrassed. Thats enough validation for me.

[u/brokentr0jan → u/Threedawg]

The field rush has to be the lowest point in Michigan history.

I have never seen a ranked team field rush because they beat an unranked team. And in this case it was the state flagship blue blood beating a directional MAC school.

[u/Radiant_Sherbert7272 → u/brokentr0jan]

That to me is the most embarrassing part of this. Rushing the field after having to beat a MAC school on a hail mary.

[u/letdogsvote → u/Radiant_Sherbert7272]

A hometown fictional second for the play Hail Mary.

[u/Thoseskisyours → u/letdogsvote]

Those in the stadium probably had a lot less awareness how bad the call to out a second on the clock was. In the stadium they likely didn’t get to see the slow mo of the broadcast and when clock hit zero.

Having been at games which had a controversy sometimes your not that aware till after the game. Specifically back when that number of people overloaded cell towers and you’d be lucky to get a text out let alone see news updates.

[u/Ron_Sandalthunder → u/Thoseskisyours]

The point is, no matter how they won, rushing the field is an embarrassment. Can you imagine getting that hyped for beating a team you should have absolutely demolished due to a last minute play, even if it was legal?

That's like if I got kicked in the nuts by a 6 year old, but happened to keel over in a way where I headbutted them unconscious so I went to the bar and bragged about this killer street fight I just won.

[u/trueAnnoi → u/Ron_Sandalthunder]

That last paragraph is some good r/BrandNewSentence material...

[u/lord_pump_n_dump → u/Radiant_Sherbert7272]

Why the fuck am I upvoting OSU comments? CFB is so back

[u/Who_Dey- → u/lord_pump_n_dump]

WE’RE BACK BABYYYY

[u/mk1317 → u/brokentr0jan]

I think the Shane Morris thing in the Brady Hoke years was worse tbh but it’s splitting hairs at thisnpoint

[u/Tripped_breaker → u/brokentr0jan]

In all fairness it was the best rushing attack of the night.

[u/BakedMitten → u/brokentr0jan]

I don't know. Free tickets with the purchase of two Cokes was pretty low

[u/Rare-Psychology-3527 → u/brokentr0jan]

They are an embarrassment, and their team sucks too

[u/ASU_SexDevil → u/Rare-Psychology-3527]

Anything to distract them from the fact the guy they paid 10 million to is worse than JJ Mcarthy

[u/techieman34 → u/brokentr0jan]

I could get it if it was the last game of the season and it guaranteed them a spot in the playoffs or broke some major record.

[u/aaronman4772 → u/techieman34]

Or if it was like a major rivalry game

[u/NYCHoo → u/aaronman4772]

Some of our students rushed the field after beating Tech last year. I get that

[u/aaronman4772 → u/NYCHoo]

Yeah rivalry games especially ones that either are a super dramatic ending or ending some streak I can completely understand

[u/spazzxxcc12 → u/brokentr0jan]

this comes less than a year after they were protecting their logo with better D than during the actual game after a loss to ohio state, what do you expect lol

[u/Threedawg → u/[deleted]]

We can play each other in the toilet bowl this year

[u/sfinney2 → u/[deleted]]

Coach tries to kill himself with a spatula bc his girlfriend dumped him vs. funky Hail Mary against WMU.

[u/Crewman_Guy_Fleegman → u/sfinney2]

One coach being a wacko seems less embarrassing than a blue blood’s entire student body rushing the field after stealing a win from Western Michigan. Like one is just one guy, and the other IS the school

[u/Prinzlerr → u/[deleted]]

Most embarrassing moment so far**

[u/tagillaslover → u/Threedawg]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the cfb world be so unified in their reaction to a reffing incident. Like 99.99 percent of fans and everyone else think it was a screwjob

[u/philhachio]

And nothing will be done about it

[u/Dokkan_Lifter → u/philhachio]

Unfortunately, Western Michigan doesn't have a law school to build an army of District judges

[u/TJeffersonsBlackKid → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

The MAC’s statement about how they received and accept the refs ruling just means they got a panicked guarantee to get a ton of of scheduled games and a fuck ton of money. Expect the MAC to mysteriously get several games scheduled against USC, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

[u/Dokkan_Lifter → u/TJeffersonsBlackKid]

I imagine there was also the implication of the BIG10 canceling buy games in Football, Basketball, and Non-Rev if the MAC contined to object. That's money a lot of MAC teams need.

[u/letdogsvote → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

Accept our hometowned win or we fuck over your finances.

College football is totally not busted.

[u/Dokkan_Lifter → u/letdogsvote]

In a normal business, its called extortion

[u/Sei_Mal_Ehrlich → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

Well it’s the MO of the United States writ large at this moment so I’m not surprised that the wealthy in CFB use their finances to control and bring to heel the poor.

It doesn’t have to be like this.

[u/HawkeyeTen → u/TJeffersonsBlackKid]

I am furious about the Big Ten's handling of this as a whole. Now I genuinely worry what will happen with other games going forward, possibly including ours (what if we're the "wrong team" winning?).

[u/Daycarrott → u/TJeffersonsBlackKid]

MAC schools have been and will continue to take these pay to play games they're getting around 1.5 million per game sometimes a little more.

[u/pspock → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

They also don't want to give the B1G any reason to stop playing games with them. They make more money playing an away game at B1G school than they do playing a home game.

[u/sfinney2 → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

Haha I always say even though I hate Michigan they must have one of the best law schools in the country.

How they made what their old field goal kicker did disappear not only from federal investigation but from media discussion entirely is pure sorcery.

[u/custardisnotfood → u/sfinney2]

That second part is crazy. I’ve literally never heard someone mention it but googling “Michigan kicker crime” brings up dozens of articles on the subject

[u/dgi02 → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

They actually do and it’s the worst law school in the country

[u/chrstgtr → u/dgi02]

Cooley is no longer affiliated. WMU dumped them when they looked like they might shutdown amid really bad press about being a terrible school.

But, yes, Cooley grads are/were more likely to be McDonalds managers than A3 judges. They’ve literally never had an A3 judge as alumni and like 40% of their grads never pass the bar.

[u/rindor1990 → u/philhachio]

Of course not, not in this hellscape of a timeline

[u/GrapeFit9592]

Michigan brought a Plus One to the game.

[u/FREE-ROSCOE-FILBURN]

Who were the refs on the phone with him? Mike Hunt and Holden Hiscock?

[u/DavesLegsDotCom → u/FREE-ROSCOE-FILBURN]

I legit was like “I’ve never heard of those guys” for about five seconds 🤣

I need more coffee.

[u/duelexhausts → u/FREE-ROSCOE-FILBURN]

I wonder if it's the same Mike Hunt from the Beaver Falls, PA police department.

[u/Svenray]

Only thing I can figure if the B1G is telling the truth is that the TV clock will show 0.00 to 0.99 seconds as 0 and the refs clock shows 0.01 to 1.00 seconds as 1.

[u/Desperate_County_680 → u/Svenray]

Thank goodness the entire game was timed so precisely.

[u/mclennon27 → u/Desperate_County_680]

This is my thought. Say there’s an incomplete pass, officials signal stoppage, clock stops on that signal after milliseconds delay. If every play is not timed this precisely, why is suddenly the last play under a microscope?

[u/Away-Fun-9311]

I’m just confused why there is a secret clock that only the refs can see.

[u/EitherCharacter1870 → u/Away-Fun-9311]

It's kept by Dean Wermer at Faber College.

[u/Capt_Saxy → u/EitherCharacter1870]

No, that's the DOUBLE secret clock, that only he and the Omega house can see

[u/Starfox41 → u/Away-Fun-9311]

Just in case they need to alter the time

[u/JBsportsandchess → u/Away-Fun-9311]

Where did the idea of a secret clock come from? The Big 10 statement says they used a direct shot of the game clock in the stadium synced to the replay to make the call. They also released the below video.

https://youtu.be/vIB2lOeyRnE

What did I miss about the Big 10 or refs saying they used some secret clock?

[u/ZaneThePain → u/JBsportsandchess]

The idea of the secret clock is coming from the broadcast also using a shot of the game clock in the stadium and the broadcasters saying it was also synced in the initial replay breakdown shown. So either someone’s replays got out of sync with the clock footage, or there was a “secret” clock.

[u/Old-Band-7635 → u/JBsportsandchess]

NBC confirmed their video is fully synced and it shows 0. So either NBC or B10 are lying. And sorry I believe NBC

[u/JumboDakotaSmoke]

Ah yes, the Joseph Smith clock that only refs can see and interpret.

[u/LefterLiftist → u/JumboDakotaSmoke]

Coach brought it with him from Utah. So far, a very successful transfer portal pickup.

[u/Equal_Peak3018]

If it was the other way around. Central Western Michigan with the ball and down. Refs would have blown the game dead at 0

[u/Muffinnnnnnn → u/Equal_Peak3018]

*Western Michigan. Those are VERY different teams. Don't be confusing them...

[u/_Vita_ → u/Equal_Peak3018]

Western Michigan. CMU is also the funny counter example since they did beat Oklahoma St on an illegitimate play 10 years ago.

[u/Bigphaedrus1 → u/Equal_Peak3018]

They actually probably would've run more time down after the previous play ended.

[u/Less_Likely]

If you are a voter or committee member and think that Michigan should have lost the game, since this is a sport where rankings and access to the postseason are determined by opinions, who can just rank/seed Michigan as if they lost the game.

[u/GamerKiller2347 → u/[deleted]]

Well ESPN doesn't have Big 10 media rights so they might be able to use some SEC bias to rank Michigan lower

[u/WinstonChurchill74 → u/Less_Likely]

Michigan needed two Hail Mary attempts to survive the onslaught of Western Michigan. They are going to be lucky to get a bowl game. This team is not a playoff team.

[u/BuckeyeForLife95 → u/Less_Likely]

I very much doubt the committee is going to be thinking about Michigan at all in November.

[u/AggressiveWolverine5 → u/Less_Likely]

I mean… playoffs seem pretty unlikely even with this win. 

[u/Alpine_Exchange_36]

Feel like we’ll see clock changes from this game. Such a clear controversy anyone can understand and I don’t think fans will let it slide.

Or not. Cfb has a million other legal things going on so who knows if there is enough fucks to give about this

[u/aaronman4772 → u/Alpine_Exchange_36]

I feel like the more likely outcome is mandatory insight into review process. ACC and this year Big 12 already have the command center footage broadcasted, it should become standard. That and clearer insight into decimal seconds for the clock

[u/Groots-Cousin]

If it really is a “play took 8.5 seconds and there was 9 seconds on the clock” situation, then why is this the first time I can remember a game being allowed to continue because of less than a second on the clock? Why hasn’t this happened before?

[u/Hougie → u/Groots-Cousin]

Coug fans are absolutely roaring because the 1997 Rose Bowl (Michigan vs WSU) didn’t get a final play because “2 seconds isn’t enough time to spike a ball”.

Bet it would have been if we were allowed hundredths of a second, eh?

[u/VoiceofReasonability → u/Hougie]

WVU had the same situation last year.  And I believe that is in part due to not having fractional seconds in football.

[u/DarkSide830 → u/Groots-Cousin]

Begs the question as to why you don't show 10ths of a second anyway just in case this happens. It's common across other sports with timekeeping, why not show it as well?

[u/dagreenman18]

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[u/Gunther_21]

Basically they need to release a video of the internal clock side by side with the broadcast footage so we can see where the discrepancy occurred.

[u/neutrino_fire → u/Gunther_21]

Is anyone trusting "video evidence" at this point?

[u/prismatic_lights]

It honestly would've been better for the Big Ten to claim some kind of super secret timekeeping clock.

Trying to say they used the same stadium clock that NBC showed its audience as hitting 0:00 before the ball was touched just deepens the hole they were already in.

[u/5hout → u/prismatic_lights]

You see from one angle it rolls to 0 a full yard, if not two, from the player's hands but from the other angle it is totally touching his hand while on 1. See we stitched together a video of the play and an image of the #1 to prove it.

[u/Honeymanjoel]

Storming the field when you beat Western Michigan would be like throwing a party for yourself when you make it through a day without shitting your pants.

[u/Porcupineemu → u/Honeymanjoel]

Except in this case you did shit your pants but you hid them in the hamper and put on other pants

[u/enraged_hbo_max_user → u/Honeymanjoel]

😂 the storming of the field is almost as embarrassing as the fiasco itself

[u/SnapHackelPop]

Oh it’s perfectly explicable, big programs get favorable calls. Whether there’s financial impropriety or not, this was an out and out screwjob

[u/TapNumerous4625 → u/SnapHackelPop]

Worst part is it only seems to happen with certain big programs. Oklahoma state? Don’t care. Even Notre Dame? Let Marshall and NI get them. Michigan? Oh my beloved never again. App state permanently scarred them and they won’t let it hurt them again.

[u/Sludge_Goblin → u/TapNumerous4625]

Excuse me, I think another MAC team can very definitely say we did it to Michigan again after App state. points to flair

[u/quinnhughesbdaytwin]

Feel like were gonna see them change to mandating NHL/NBA clock procedure <1 minute going forward just to be more transparent

For the record I'm not sure why football didn't already do this to begin with

[u/stann-the-mann]

Whomever is keeping the official time, that should be the exact time down to tenths or even hundredths of a second and it should be displayed live on the stadium clocks and TV. I can control my thermostat from anywhere in the world so I know it can easily be done - and there is no way this shouldn't have been done already.

[u/Rare-Psychology-3527]

Why was a big ten referee crew being used when MAC was the visitor?

[u/Atl-Fan_FTS → u/Rare-Psychology-3527]

💰

[u/30_Under_The_40]

Draftkings era is upon us

[u/TapNumerous4625 → u/30_Under_The_40]

Basically just watching WWE. Sure teams may go off “script” and win despite the refs but more times than not officials will make sure their team wins. 

Teams are playing like they always have. Refs are not.

[u/OmegaVizion]

It's amazing how many of our problems as a society stem from people in places of authority (and people in general) being incapable of admitting they made a mistake.

[u/Chris_TO79]

This is the most infamous clock situation since the clockgate/Spartan Bob game in 2001....Interestingly Michigan was involved in both of these but this time Michigan gets the W. The officiating in CFB can be so Mickey Mouse sometimes.

[u/Double-Mine981 → u/Chris_TO79]

LSU was accused by ole Miss on home cooking the clock before a walk off TD in 70s

Growing up you’d still see Mississippi cars with “reminder set your clocks back 2 seconds after entering Louisiana” bumper stickers

[u/flaminhotcheeto]

Never been so gutted.

[u/myturn19]

I feel for my Western Michigan bros so much. But why is everyone so surprised by the corruption at this point? It’s always been there in small vs big school games. I hate it.

Just look at the NIU vs. Notre Dame game a few years back. The refs basically gave Notre Dame an extra timeout and called back a clear NIU first down, all while NIU was on the verge of pulling off the upset.

No real explanation ever came from it, and those refs are still officiating games.

If people actually want something done about this, complaining about it isn’t going to be enough.

[u/JustAnIdiotOnline → u/myturn19]

Well put. From a fellow Husky, I wish many more dog bones for your locker room wall

[u/TapNumerous4625 → u/myturn19]

This is what people miss. The teams themselves aren’t rigged but the refs will absolutely give every advantage to the big programs or their pick to win. It may not always work but it often does.

[u/lgrw40]

The problem is everyone will forget about us within a week and move on. This does nothing for us and the millions that will be lost from winning this game. College sports has sunken to an embarrassing new low

[u/Muffinnnnnnn → u/lgrw40]

Frankly I really don't think people will forget about this for a very long time. The rest is true though.

[u/Safe-Hat-4772]

That happened to Suh’s Nebraska vs Colt McCoy Texas in that Big 12 championship. It’s not new.

[u/2021ToyotaCorolla]

Broadcast clock hit zero. Stadium clock hit zero. Official clock that is supposed to be synced with broadcast didnt hit zero. B1G says it was the right call trust us here's a clip that's totally not edited, trust us.

[u/Statalyzer]

Remarkable statistic: Prior to Western Michigan, college football teams were 110352-0 when leading after the end of regulation, dating back to 1869.