r/CaughtMyEye • u/detectiverobert • 1d ago
In 2017, 19-year-old Cayley Mandadi chose a crowded music festival to break up with her boyfriend — she feared being alone with him. Hours later, he rushed her to a rural hospital, unconscious, no pulse, and covered in bruises. When police photographed him, both of his knuckles were red and scabbed.
https://verdicttimes.com/learning-to-play-an-instrument-changes-the-brain-and-improves-skills-beyond-music/48
u/Raebrooke4 1d ago
He’s obviously going to Hell. How could a jury deem him not guilty when she went there to be in public with him because she was scared of him. That they thought there could be any other plausible cause at all is so far beyond me.. I can’t understand it.
This guy will do this again because he believes he got away with it. Hopefully he actually does have an accident before he’s released.
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u/WowStupendousHey 17h ago
I know of two friends, both women, who have been turned down from being on the jury for serial assault cases. They seem to purposely avoid having any plausibly literate and articulate women on the jury for these cases, for exactly this reason.
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u/Hazel_Evers 21h ago
A friend was on a jury for assault and battery and there was literal camera footage and the men on the jury still said they doubted his guilt
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u/Extreme_Egg7476 4h ago
I left my abuser at a party after he smashed my new phone.
His mom screamed at me over the phone asking how I could do this.
His dad hugged me and apologized, "I thought I raised him better than this".
I had called the police on him at least 4 times. Every time, they asked him if I deserved it. They only asked me if i was being emotional.
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u/zzyul 21h ago
He was sentenced to 20 years.
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u/Raebrooke4 16h ago
The first time it was tried, it was a mistrial because the jury couldn’t agree. “A second panel of 12 jurors decided Howerton’s fate. The jury found him not guilty of murder. It did convict him of aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison, the maximum, a term that Cayley’s family felt was not nearly enough.”
My point is that he was still found not guilty of murder. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics of providing all that evidence, the jury agrees he beat her but not that it was a murder.. even though she told people she was breaking up with him, at the event because she was scared. What else would they want to deem it murder? It’s absurd that he will be out soon if he behaves well in prison.
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u/Clevergirluk 1d ago
For all the young women out there, you don't owe these guys a break up in person. Honestly, some men are not lonely enough.
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u/Clevergirluk 1d ago
Thanks for the awards folks! As other posters have commented, I did mean "these guys" and not all men. She was frightened enough to want a huge crowd present so he wouldn't hurt her. He still did. Women are trained to be polite and not listen to our fears and it gets us killed. So one more time, if he frightens you, or if you get a bad feeling, you don't need to break up in person. I'd rather another man have a bad breakup story and hurt feelings than see another beautiful young life stolen.
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u/functional_moron 22h ago
Hard agree. If you have any reason to feel like you might be unsafe dont even bother trying to find a "safe space" to breakup. Just ghost or maybe send a text. Sometimes you hear things like "i would never have believed he'd do something like that" well he did. He just didn't display the warning signs. Don't gamble with your safety.
Also, as a man if a woman is really like breaks up with me im gonna just as hurt if she does it in a face to face conversation as I would if it were a text message. The only difference is you didn't put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation. If he's a good man he'll understand even if he is a bit offended.
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u/Nocturnal_Pages 1d ago
Real men do not take offense.
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u/pucknplants 1d ago
its funny bc the reply i see above yours is a man, absolutely taking offense
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u/emtrigg013 22h ago
No, that's an idiot wearing "man" skin.
Don't mistake LARPing for the real thing, you know?
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u/Opposite-End9713 19h ago
men are men. some men are stupid and dangerous, theyre still the “real thing”. don’t get it twisted
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u/pucknplants 9h ago
yeah i agree, and to be so lighthearted on a post about a murdered woman put me off.
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u/A-very-stable-genius 14h ago
Saying they’re not “real” men is a cop out for the systemic violence perpetrated by men. This was a man. There are men defending it. We need to use clear language to see the problem to fix it. No more excuses
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u/Appropriate-Bug-6467 1d ago
It's enough men to make it all men.
Every man in the comments saying "not all men" is part of the problem.
They felt called out - because they know who they are.
We shouldn't give them a free pass because it might get a comment downvoted.
Downvote away rapist protectors!
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u/LetshearitforNY 1d ago
It becomes all men when they won’t call out this kind of behavior before it gets to this point. “Locker room talk” “boys will be boys” leads to dangerous men.
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u/pucknplants 1d ago
fr. it becomes all men when we have GROUPCHATS inviting men to assault women & no one says a damn thing to stop it
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u/Onigokko0101 19h ago
Absolutely. And when the men that speak out against it are ejected from the good ol boys club, it doesn't make their "not all men" point any better.
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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 12h ago
But…if there are men speaking out against it by definition it can’t be all men? I really dont understand this line of argument where it’s accepted this behaviour is not universal and yet somehow reasonable to say the behaviour is universal.
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u/Confused_Drifter 14h ago
I got my jaw broke in 2016 because I stepped in against a man assaulting a woman, while ALL the women nearby just watched. I recently moved into my workplace (hotel staff accommodation) so my friend could temporarily stay in my studio apartment and immediately get away from her abusive boyfriend. I've walked drunk friends home going miles out of my way to make sure they got home safe. I don't think I have a single friend who would consider me a bad person.
You can tell a character of a person by the company they keep, if you can sit there and say there is not a single positive male in your whole social circle, well then you're either extremely unfortunate and have my sympathies, or, a part of your own problem.
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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 13h ago
I don’t understand how acknowledging that this is a prevalent problem makes it reasonable to describe this as a universal problem. Saying “all men” do this means you are saying I, as a man, must do this. That is obviously offensive to any decent person who would never act in such a way. I don’t get offended by the idea that women are cautious around men because many men are heinous. I don’t get offended that woman may be cautious around me because many men are heinous. But I do get offended if you tacitly call me a rapist. I think that is entirely apart from the issue of ally-ship.
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u/Interesting_Worth745 23h ago
First off: rapists and abusers must be punished with the utmost severity.
But how does framing systemic violence as 'all men' protect women?
It just alienates people who want to be part of the solution. What does that framing actually achieve, other than pushing away allies?
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u/p1en1ek 11h ago
Women talking how "its all men" are part of the problem. Dont you see that talling like that justifies wrong behaviour of those monsters? Like real good person will not start to act bad because he thinks "it makes no sense to be good because women will still think Im bad" but its something that bad people will think. They will use it as a way to justify hating on women and also see it as and opportunity. If some women still think all men are bad then they have upper side on the rest - good guys are viewed as bad ones anyway but real bad ones have lack of remorse so they can use it to their advantage.
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u/Short-Recording587 1d ago
wtf is this post? It’s the most sexist shit I’ve seen in awhile. It’s like saying don’t trust your kids at home with their mother because she may murder them.
If someone feels unsafe, they don’t owe that person anything full stop. Don’t talk to them ever again and get a restraining order.
To try and suggest all men, or almost all men, are violent creatures that would do this is insane.
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u/Ginger510 23h ago edited 21h ago
As someone who has had his eyes opened in the last few years to how prevalent “these guys” are - I’m perfectly happy for the term “all men” to be used.
If this offends you, become an advocate and speak out on behalf of women. Keep doing it. Challenge your own beliefs. And maybe one day the default will be to trust us.
Edit: I’m speaking to the men who might be offended - I’m saying they should learn and become advocates for women.
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u/dontyouflap 22h ago
About what percent is "how prevalent"? Half? A quarter? 10%? 1%?
Predators hunt. They go out of their way to blend in, to look safe, and most deliberately victimize multiple people. A predator will often look safer than a normal guy. They will hide what they do around normal guys. Most offenders of serious crimes aren't people who simply need to be reminded that hurting women is wrong. They're not going to listen to calls for change any more than a drug addict is going to stop using because someone told them drugs are bad.
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u/Ginger510 21h ago
I’m not sure I understand the hostility - I’m agreeing with you.
I didn’t think I knew anyone who was affected - turns out I know loads and it’s very sad.
Sure, they blend in - but it’s easier to blend in when the other people actually learn and call it out.
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u/dontyouflap 21h ago
No hostility here. I agree that people should call out abusive behavior when they see it.
I'm pushing back on the idea that this is primarily a problem of ordinary men failing to recognize or challenge it. Predators are often very deliberate about who sees what. They can and often are charming and completely normal around other men and women while behaving very differently with their victims.
And this is also why I think the "all men" framing is counterproductive. If the problem is a dangerous minority who deliberately hide what they're doing, telling the much larger group that they're all part of the problem just alienates people who would otherwise agree with you. Then the conversation becomes about whether men as a class are guilty instead of about identifying and prosecuting predators, protecting women, and rooting out those who are evil.
So yes, teach people what warning signs look like and call things out when they're visible. I just don't think pushing that men need to hold other men accountable explains nearly as much of the problem as this thread implies. And it instead works against their best interests in favor of spreading divisiveness.
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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 13h ago
I don’t understand how acknowledging that this is a prevalent problem makes it reasonable to describe this as a universal problem. Saying “all men” do this means you are saying I, as a man, must do this. That is obviously offensive to any decent person who would never act in such a way. I don’t get offended by the idea that women are cautious around men because many men are heinous. But I do get offended if you tacitly call me a rapist. I think that is entirely apart from the issue of ally-ship.
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u/Warl0kjoe 6h ago
Straight up, then you’re not doing enough. If your personal actions don’t make the women in your life, implicitly feel like you’re an exception to the norm. A norm which puts them in constant harm and danger and anxiety, whether or not they acknowledge it. Then it’s really just on you, man. And you know it’s not literally all men, but it’s enough men for that to be fair to say. And enough men defend those men and equivocate and sit on fences like you. So maybe just get with the positive program and try to fix something rather than bitch about the system for fixing things not being perfect.
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u/Ok-Comedian-6852 9h ago
Wow, the idiocy is staggering. You realise that you are a man right? And that by accepting the "all men" statement you are effectively calling yourself a monster.
It's much more worrying to just accept being called a murdering raping piece of shit than it is to get offended by being called that, because it means you accept that that's what you are and see nothing wrong with it.
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u/DagrMine 1d ago
these guys
some men
Reading comprehension is dead I stg. Nowhere did you say all men. Nowhere was it implied all men are bad evil monsters. In fact, the way you wrote it included a specific group of men different from other men.
What the fuck are these chuds talking about in the other comments.
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u/herroyalsadness 1d ago
They do it to deflect. We all know it’s not all men.
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u/Short-Recording587 1d ago
There is a post above yours saying it’s enough men to make it all men…
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u/istillseeyourface222 1d ago
The logic behind that statement landed more for me as “you have to assume it’s all men, because it’s enough of them to make every one a liable threat.” It’s an extreme take and lacking nuance, but sadly, the sentiment rings true for many women and girls.
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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 12h ago
I mean, I think that take is defensible. You have to act like anyone could be a threat. Totally reasonable, you acknowledge not everyone Is but also that those who are can be hard to recognise. But that’s not the same as saying everybody is a threat, which is what a lot of the comments are doing. I think it’s pretty fair to take offense to being tacitly called a rapist and abuser.
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u/Impossible_Net4275 23h ago
They literally feel entitled to interactions. When they're lonely they make it everyone's problem. Loneliness rates are actually pretty similar between men and women, it's just that for women they might get a cat and get called a crazy cat lady but for men they might end up a family anihilator.
Like they really want us to feel bad for wanting to cross the street and not talk to them or not to be looked at.
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u/PlasticCheebus 13h ago
And men, too. I don't disagree, fwiw. I'd rather a woman choose safety over a sense of propriety, every time.
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u/filthy_commie13 1d ago
Because they don't want to look themselves in the mirror
Same reason why adults who can't regulate their emotions yell at kids. They will do anything to avoid facing themselves.
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u/mort-or-amour 16h ago
All my exes friends judged me for breaking up with him via text when we had been together for almost a year.
What they didn’t consider was that the last time I had seen him, just a couple days before the breakup, I said I didn’t want to have sex that night, and his response was to grab me and say “you know I’m stronger than you, I could do whatever I wanted and you wouldn’t be able to stop me.”
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u/Ginger510 23h ago
I replied to your other comment too but I do worry that the male loneliness epidemic is causing a lot of this incel/Andrew Tate/red pill shit to take hold. I’m not saying this piece of shit deserved love but we need to encourage men to become more emotionally healthy in addition to shedding light on these kinds of atrocities.
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u/EquivalentMath6592 1d ago
Better yet…. Do it in person, at home, in front of your father.
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u/RShini 23h ago
lol, you never met some fathers, some of the reasons women end up in abusive relationships is because their parents are abusive and let them think this is how normal relationships look like.
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u/Onigokko0101 18h ago
Even if you consciously know it's not how relationships are, it can cause you to miss warning signs because they just aren't obvious to you
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u/Odd-Significance-17 22h ago
never had a father, and when i called my mother after things got really bad with my ex she just was impatiently waiting for me to “get my shit together” so my ex could sleep and proceeded to drag me back to her house and acted like it never happened
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u/Strict-Profit7624 1d ago edited 16h ago
"Why don't women in abusive relationships just leave?"
THIS is why. This issue is far more complex than people assume it is. it's easier to blame the victim rather than consider the nuance of how difficult/dangerous it is to leave.
The vast majority of abusers do not start out abusive. In most cases it is a slow burn after a period of love-bombing, manipulation, and isolation. People do not CHOOSE to date an abuser. This can happen to anyone.
Edit: thanks for the awards! I'm really glad this is resonating with people. I'll leave some resources.
Remember to close the tabs after viewing and delete your history if needed.
https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/escaping-violence/leaving-without-dying
https://www.thehotline.org/resources/emergency-housing-for-domestic-violence-victims/
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u/SquidTheRidiculous 1d ago edited 23h ago
The most deadly time for an abuse victim is when they try to leave, by the way. As a rebuttal against "why didn't she just leave?"
E:And most abusers don't become fully abusive until they have their victim trapped. "Red flags" are ways individuals have tried to notice behavior patterns that can be abusive, but guess what? They're as imperfect as the humans who notice them.
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u/defectiveadult 1d ago
Post separation abuse happens almost always and the ones who gets killed usually tried to leave.
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u/Link_lunk 1d ago
I agree this is very complicated but I think there are signs. I know its anecdotal one of my good friends started dating a guy. I met him and within 10 minutes my wife said, "he's not a good guy" it took me a couple hours but then when we share with her that he is dangerous she wouldnt hear it. Fast forward a year or so and she has to call out of work because he beat her up to the point that she was in the hospital. I know she didnt choose to date an abuser but her entire friend group could see the signs.
Before my wife and I started dating I met one of her exes and only spent a few minutes with him and had him flagged. I told her after we got together that I bet he was a wall puncher and she asked how I knew. Idk but its a type. She then told me how other got into an arguement and he destroyed their living room.
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u/Strict-Profit7624 1d ago edited 1d ago
There are signs sometimes. However, the best manipulators are good at masking them. Often times the victims judgement is initially clouded by love bombing.
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u/Link_lunk 1d ago
I agree, its one of the reasons I am suspicious of age gap relationships. I think older guys tend to be smarter about their manipulation.
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u/Strict-Profit7624 1d ago
I agree. Obviously it depends on the age gap, like if it's 27 and 33 it's totally fine but yeah, younger people tend to be more easily manipulated. But again, it can happen to anyone really.
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u/Bitter-Picture5394 1d ago
Right, the gap matters less the older the younger partner is, and even starts reversing. If a 19 year old is dating a 27 year old, I'm concerned for the 19 year old. If a 35 year old is dating a 50 year old I'm not worried for either even though their gap is larger because the 35 year old has had well over a decade of being an adult. But if a 40 year old is dating a 90 year old, I'm concerned for the 90 year old.
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u/KnightsWhoSayYEET 1d ago
Acting so smug about beating the case originally. Probably would do it again with his history of aggression. Would be shame if Howie got ran up on at 3 Jester Road; Richmond, TX 77406 at some point between 05/30/2033 and 05/31/2043
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u/Prize-Choice2185 1d ago
And he was acquitted of murder too? Damn
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u/SilentSwine 1d ago
I think the fact he drove her to get medical help was enough to provide reasonable doubt that he intended to kill her, which makes murder significantly harder to prove than manslaughter. He did get convicted of a lesser charge and the judge gave him 20 years for it at least
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u/BorgQuingus67 1d ago
Unfortunately, the big difference is intent, if he only intended to beat her senseless and not kill her it's just manslaughter. It's fucked up, but he still got 20 years for it.
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u/SmileParticular9396 1d ago
Agreed. I actually agree with this sentence. He obvs beat the shit out of her but didn’t mean to kill her. Both were high and drunk. Sad situation but seems justice was served.
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u/Disastrous_tea_555 1d ago
What did he mean to do? Paralyse her? Traumatise her for life? Make her live in fear for her physical safety? Teach her a lesson for rejecting him?
What was the intent? It wasn’t to kill her so then what was it?
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u/SmileParticular9396 1d ago
I can only speculate as I’m not an abusive piece of shit, but my guess is he wanted to teach her a lesson? Punish her? Hurt her? There are a million reasons why humans beat on other humans and murder isn’t always the intent.
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u/Disastrous_tea_555 23h ago
My point is the intent to cause harm can ruin someone’s life so much that they are not really living anyway. A head injury that means someone now requires round the clock care to feed themselves or go to the toilet should be treated the same as a murder imo
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u/SmileParticular9396 22h ago
causing harm even grievous and life altering is not the same as causing death
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u/Disastrous_tea_555 22h ago
I know but I don’t know why we don’t take that into consideration
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u/SmileParticular9396 22h ago
Yeah I get that, it’s just the justice system is fucking stupid is all I got.
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u/uselessinfogoldmine 20h ago
He should have been done for rape too. “Rough sex” Is not believable to me when she was trying to break up with him, her thighs and body were covered in bruises and he killed her. Dude kidnapped, raped, beat and killed her.
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u/Punman__5 1d ago
I feel like it would be very easy to get away with hurting someone at a music festival. A restaurant is usually the go to place because a freak-out would be really noticeable and would stand out. But at a festival nobody can distinguish individuals in the throng of the mosh pit.
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u/eydirctiviyg 20h ago
I've seen websites use random AI-generated info paragraphs as placeholder text. That might be the case here.
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u/RowAndRuction 15h ago
This guy was acquitted.
If you’re ever in the jury selection process and you want to be chosen, just keep saying you can be neutral and want to hear both sides. Even if you know the guy is obviously guilty. Because otherwise they might find enough stupid or evil people to acquit a murderer.
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u/strangeMeursault2 10h ago
First trial was declared a mistrial. Second trial he was found not guilty of murder but guilty of aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury and sentenced to 20 years in prison.
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u/DooglyOoklin 20h ago
Some of these commenters. I would love to see their group chat with the boys and how they talk about women when they think no one's listening lmao
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u/psychorant 16h ago edited 16h ago
The amount of mental gymnastics to act like in this very prevalent and documented epidemic of violence against women, the real victims are "innocent" men being grouped with perpetrators, because even though it's highly likely that they're friends with or know men that spew casual harmful rhetoric and/or abuse against women, they shouldn't be shamed for that because it's just the way he is, and calling him out would put them in an uncomfortable position, and instead when he commits sexual assault or domestic violence, women will be in the wrong for acting like they're part of the problem because all they did was stand on the sidelines and it wasn't their fault.
/s just to illustrate how fucking dumb their line of thinking is.
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u/microwaved__soap 1d ago
The bear wouldn't do this
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u/LuxuriousOnion 1d ago
A bear could definitely do this but it wouldn't lie about it and the state would put it down, as it should.
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u/Left_Ad_8502 1d ago
It would not target an individual at a music festival because of its emotions. It would not drive her to a hospital. It would not attempt to rape her.
Edit: if a bear took her clothes off it would be to eat or a byproduct of tearing her body to shreds… entirely different motivations/intentions
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u/Mysterious-Mode1866 1d ago
There was an edm festival where an angry boyfriend shot his girlfriend and several others. He shot her foot knowing she was a college athlete
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u/a-woman-there-was 1d ago
People tend to believe you when you're attacked by a bear.
The bear also wouldn't cry about being the victim of the situation afterwards.9
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u/a_hammerhead_worm 1d ago
A bear shouldn't be put down for being a bear, but i get your point and dont disagree with that.
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u/CD_ABC10 1d ago
And that's better than being raped and murdered by someone you love AND it fed the environment
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u/Relevant_Mail_1292 1d ago
A bear would eat her organs while holding her down with its paws. She'll feel everything.
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u/Imjusasqurrl 1d ago
A bear would not pretend to be her friend. It would not lie exploit or manipulate her. ]
Do you really think women don't realize how vicious bears can be?
it's the emotional component of drawing a woman in AND viciousness of men that makes them choose the bear
Why can't you guys get this through your thick skulls?
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u/Zombie-wrath 1d ago
The amount of men in this thread saying not all men is actually insane. Even one is too fucking many. I just had this conversation with my wife about the cornel 7 and I would have called the cops if I had received messages like this without thinking twice. We need to hold each other accountable.
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u/NemSucc 18h ago
Men want to treat all bears like Killers just because some bears have killed, but they don't want men to be treated as potential rapists and murderers en masse, even though men keep raping and murdering in ridiculously large numbers.
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u/ididntsignupbychoice 1d ago
I'm just gonna poke your beehive and say NOT ALL MEN but MOSTLY MEN.
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u/Thisisstupidly 23h ago
But when it’s about their mental health, or their loneliness problems, or being “falsely accused” or feeling like a creep in public.. those problems are super valid.. not women being beaten to death.
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u/Any_Pineapple_4836 21h ago
I'm a man. I don't know of any psycho male friends. What should I do?
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u/DooglyOoklin 21h ago
I promise you you do.
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u/Unlikely-Candle7086 7h ago
As a woman, I have had more male friends and while some are assholes, none would do anything like this.
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u/Creepy-Kale9927 1d ago
Cops are law enforcement, not crime prevention. And even then, they serve the elite and protect themselves. If hundreds of them are going to stand outside a school and detain the parents trying to rescue their children from being slaughtered, what on earth makes you think they'd do anything about a different situation?
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u/Enough_Writing_4834 1d ago
Because men dont hold responsibility for what these unhinged psychos are doing and it's annoying as fuck when the comments are filled with "You say it's not all men, but its ALWAYS a man!!!"
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u/Zombie-wrath 1d ago
Weird getting offended by something that doesn't call you out personally. Says more about you than anything else.
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u/Individual_Joke_65 1d ago
Where is this confrontational energy when it comes to the unhinged psychos.
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u/HoldEm__FoldEm 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m curious… do women even understand that men are individuals anymore? They seem to think men are always in control of other men.
Like I have anything to do with some abusive asshole. Like it’s my responsibility that “Damon” is violent. I don’t even fuckin’ know Damon.
Why the fuck is it my problem? You’re the one dating him. I coulda told ya the prick would be abusive. Choose better next time.
Never once been surprised when a women has told me her man abused her. Every single time I’m like, yeah, saw that coming, he’s a prick, don’t date pricks. 🤷🏻♂️ It’s never once been a guy who took me by surprise. Never once been a guy I thought was a nice dude. Always guys I think are assholes.
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u/Just_Blackberry_8918 1d ago
Women make false rape claims. Even one is too many. Women need to hold each other accountable.
See i did it too
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u/Ok_Tank5977 1d ago
And yet the number of rapes perpetrated by men against women, other men and children far exceeds that of false rape allegations.
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u/Thrownaway5000506 1d ago
While I believe that this is true, this is unknowable.
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u/SirBananaOrngeCumber 1d ago
If you believe it to be true why are you casting doubt on your own beliefs?
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u/Zombie-wrath 1d ago
Aww poor baby is being held accountable for his actions. Is someone worried the women in his life might finally tell someone what you did to them
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u/Rezerekterr 17h ago
Ok dude Jesus Christ. If you want us to hold each other accountable then I need you to understand that your comment IS a false rape claim and it’s being used to fuel a divide and animosity.
I have no idea why you thought to say that or what you’re trying to prove but, my guy, we need to think before we speak
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u/InTheLoudHouse 1d ago
As a man, you are more likely to be raped yourself than you are to be falsely accused.
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u/ATechnicalSquid 22h ago
Id like to hear you speak this way about literally any other group
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u/AndroidSheeps 21h ago
Fr if this was about gang violence would these same people be in here not all back men but mostly black men
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u/Jaded_Antelope_598 1d ago
The men commenting in this thread are the men who should be broken up be text.
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u/IntelligentBox152 1d ago
Too many is even one? Should we assume every woman is a bad mother because of Casey Anthony? I agree we need to hold people accountable but stop turning everything into binary good or bad that’s it
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u/RLJ05 15h ago
You do realise this kind of rhetoric really turns men against the cause. I’m a man, a decent man, never stole, never got violent, I support women and equal rights for all. So when you say even one is too fucking many why do single out men as a group here? Isn’t a violent person of any gender or race or group bad? If you frame it like that you get everyone to come with you. If you frame it as all men are monsters you alienate the good guys out there and it really backfires.
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u/Br0wnieSundae 13h ago
You do realise this kind of rhetoric really turns men against the cause
If this is true, they were never good "men" in the first place.
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u/F_AdGaudium 9h ago
Yeah, they just cover for each other. Their manipulation games in the comment section is not working, we can see through their act. Evil.
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u/surroundedbybadideas 13h ago
Why? Really think hard about what you are saying.
You want every man to blame themselves when any man around the world does somethign wrong.
You are being ridiculouys.
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u/Main_Invite_7201 1d ago edited 1d ago
“I feel so violent violent fuckin with that ecstasy”
- bone thugs n harmony
MDMA can have the opposite reaction in some scenarios. This dude was already violent. Breaking up with him while rolling was a bad idea. He lacked even more control than he already lacked.
Do not upset someone while they are rolling and think the drug will keep them happy. It wont. I personally have experienced this while rolling when I got locked in a room. It drove me crazy and what resulted was ummm bad. They thought it was funny. I uncontrollably attacked after breaking free. I was happy until they locked me in a room.
ETA: im not trying to victim blame. Dude sounds unhinged. Im trying to educate people that MDMA will NOT pacify an enraged person. It will do the opposite.
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u/InternationalSpace59 1d ago
YES! I had an opposite reaction with drugs too and nobody believes me when I say that it can have opposite effects.
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u/StarPhished 1d ago
I've heard stories about gang bangin' drug dealer types who take X before doing violent crimes.
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u/TrashCanSam0 1d ago
you're victim blaming tho. idgaf about downvotes. do better.
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u/Holiday-Pangolin-491 22h ago
Right???? ”Breaking up with him while rolling was a bad idea” is, in fact, victim-blaming.
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u/TrashCanSam0 21h ago
right? she obviously had a reason for doing it in a public space. he was clearly violent before this regardless if he was on drugs or not.
the result was umm bad
like what even was the point of them telling this story? what flex is it relating to a murderer?
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u/DoubleCarry7511 16h ago
Doesn’t mean he’s wrong? That’s like saying when some tourist is killed in “going to Sudan was a bad idea” and calling it victim blaming.
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u/Ashamed-Finding4657 21h ago
Why is it whenever I strike out at rapists and pedophiles conservative men cry out in pain?
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u/elgatomegustamucho 1d ago
Not all men they say but almost always a man. Hmm…
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u/WOAHdude0197 1d ago
Like genuinely what even is the point of saying something like this?
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u/RynoKaizen 1d ago
To be misandrist and get attention they otherwise wouldn’t.
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u/KotkaCat 1d ago
It is also exactly the type of “argument” racists would use when bringing up their “crime statistics”
How they don’t see that is ridiculous. Literally just substitute the word “man” with anything else and you can easily see how flaws that argument is unless you’re straight up just a misandrist
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u/HoldEm__FoldEm 1d ago
Infant babies could say this very thing… but about women.
FBI stats show that women, mothers, commit 75.9% of neonaticide. A lot of women are baby-killers. And not just any babies. Their own babies.
Maybe men should also constantly bring this up against yall misandrist baby-killers.
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u/Living_Ad_7143 1d ago
Ok. What’s the percentage though? Like, it 1 in 4 women are victims of rape/abuse. Specifically for neonaticide, the numbers are anywhere from 0.7-9 in 100,000. Then we have infanticide and filicide, which men commit in larger numbers.
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u/Junior_Book7332 1d ago
Yeah but you should see how many men kill their pregnant spouses
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u/luchito619 18h ago
Their doing a service to their unborn child, making sure mommy won't neck them when she gets annoyed
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u/Flaky-Holiday8308 1d ago
Why are people making this men vs women and who’s the worst. This is the first time I even heard of this particular case and it’s horrific to read about it. Murderers are murderers regardless of gender. Victims are victims regardless of gender.
I wish Birchum would have called the police or intervened after seeing Howerton force her in the car.
If you see something, say something.
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u/Ok_Union2122 1d ago
Definitely bots on here intentionally trying to turn every popular post into an us vs them battle in the comments.
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u/KotkaCat 1d ago
Because some people just enjoy division
Here I thought expecting everyone to unite and agree that this person is a piece of human garbage. Instead it’s now a platform for “all men bad”
It’s lost on some people that misandry is just as bad as misogyny. And I’m sure that’s a controversial take to some people 🙄
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u/hellraiserxhellghost 1d ago
Misandry doesn't exist lmao. Misogyny actually kills women like in this story, misandry is just men crying online about hurt feelings. This thread and you aren't helping.
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u/HoldEm__FoldEm 1d ago
Your point-blank dismissal only proves him correct.
Let’s find your double standards. Did you know…
75% of murdered babies are killed by women. Usually their very own mother. Women are baby killers.
Babies choose the bear.
“Not all moms, but it’s always a mom.” - say the dead voiceless babies
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u/Proper-Raise-1450 18h ago
75% of murdered babies are killed by women.
Murders are always disproportionately committed by the people most likely to be around the victim, women do more care of babies means women do more murders of babies.
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u/Astralglamour 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s ‘not all men’ but 90% of all violence is perpetrated by men. Men are women’s greatest threat. It’s not about sowing division it’s straight facts. If you have a problem with that as a man then start confronting other men instead of blaming women for what men choose to do to them.
If women were taught to walk away at the first sign of disrespect/controlling behavior rather than being told “it’s because he cares” and men were taught they don’t own women they’re attracted to or have the right to harm them- perhaps the statistics would change.
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u/LoneRedditor123 17h ago
This thread turned into a gender war so fast, wow lol. You guys are gross.
I'd like you all to look up what a 'generalization' is, then try applying that to your own emotional intelligence. Or lack thereof.
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u/Greenroses23 22h ago
He received 20 years and is eligible for parole in four years. He wasn’t charged with rape or murder.
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u/Imjusasqurrl 1d ago edited 1d ago
Women are five times more likely to be murdered by a domestic or intimate partner.
Every 10 minutes, a woman is murdered by her domestic partner
But tell me again, how miSaNdry is the real issue and modern feminism has gone too far lol
Edit: I didn't know that saying women are at higher risk of being murdered by the men in her life and please stop doing that was such a divisive comment lol
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u/Enough_Writing_4834 1d ago
Bro you are all over this thread just spamming the most divisive bullshit.
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u/NewConcentrate8812 1d ago
The level of uncontrollable emotion you’re obviously feeling is not conducive to rational thought.
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u/Dim-Mak-88 1d ago
If it's that bad, don't tell them in person. Get a protective order.
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u/Sudden_Confection521 1d ago
I agree 100%. There was a line in an old country song that went something like “He walked right through that restraining order…”. Stay alert, be aware of your surroundings, traverse with a friend or two if possible, but stay safe.
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u/realfakejames 15h ago
The story says she was dating two guys who knew about each other and were mad about it
But they both kept dating her? Someone teach people to move on, there are so many people in the world you don’t need to go around killing your partners out of jealousy
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u/EveryonesANurse 4h ago
She clearly did something super extra on top of dumping her bf carelessly on a special occasion and this abuse was simply met in return only with all the abuse she handed out over years having been bottled up causing him to explode in a rage, killing her
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u/detectiverobert 1d ago
Paramedic Cheryl Lane was driving an ambulance up to the hospital in Luling when a black car appeared behind her, honking and flashing its lights. Before she stepped out, she saw a man hollering and screaming. When she opened the door, he told her that his girlfriend was not breathing and that he needed help.
Looking inside the car, Lane saw Cayley exposed, with her pants and other clothing on the floorboard near her feet. Cayley had multiple bruises, and Lane began CPR. Other emergency medical workers told investigators that they realized immediately how serious the situation was, noting that Cayley was nearly naked and had no pulse.
Read the full story here.