What if... Flat ended up summoning Heracles in his Archer form instead Jack in Fate: Strange/Fake?

[u/S_Broves]

[u/Jack_slasher]

Probably win. Flat is hyper competent. Heracles can compete with the best, but Tine and doggo are not good masters. Flat would tip the tides for him.

[u/Arnoldneo → u/Jack_slasher]

In a 1 v 1 one I kinda feel like archer Heracles would be such a threat that if flat attempted to do anything mid battle Gilgamesh would just kill him with some sort of explosive. Also you have to consider the order of events assuming the alliance happens at what point do Gilgamesh and flats side even battle? If it’s in the same place round 2 of Gilgamesh vs Alcides happens than it turns out the same unless Gilgamesh jumps to ea at wich point Ishtar couldn’t land her final blow with huwawa and Gilgamesh would unlock his treasury , I doubt Archer Heracles would allow flat to get taken out so Flat is going into the raid probably meets up with his classmates and they end up buffing Heracles instead of Hippolita if they are smart if the gap between archer Heracles and Gilgamesh isn’t that big than archer Herc can win with a buffed saint graph maybe Hippolita gives him her goddess of war . Either way the raid on Neo Ishtar temple becomes significantly less difficult basically a cake walk in case Gilgamesh is still around since him and enkidu working together could wreck to temple and beat gugalana and if Gilgamesh is still out when and archer herc was the one to stall gugalana well it basically ends the same but enkidu and the newly revived Gilgamesh take the big bull out and then it probably turns into a 3 way battle till we see volume 10 i can’t comment on the winner.

[u/IVeBeenHere30Min]

Flat wins

[u/Dreams_Beginning]

He probably wins, Flat is incredibly competent as a Mage and his personality is a made in heaven match for Heracles, he is a good hearted sweet kid who would find no issue making Herc like him.

Herc also would be powerful and competent enough to react to enemy snipers and protect flat from assassination attempts from enemy mages, that and Herc is tactical and smart, his wit is a major part of what makes Berserker such a bad class for him since it reduced one of his major strengths, so he could pick up some slack that holds Flat back in being too careless and besides Gil and Enkidu which would be some uncertain roadblocks, he has good chances against all other servants.

Gil and Enkidu respectively however have both terrible masters in their own right, carried by how good their servants are, so there is a chance he pulls through.

[u/ConversationWeak5244]

Depending on how Gil deals with him, either has a good chance to win, or Thia comes out

[u/Wishbone-Lost]

Flat is speed running the holy Grail 

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[u/gorillamanfunny]

Flat speedruns the entire thing. Archer Herc with a hypercompetent master that has the sort of morals he's happy to work with? ggs. The hardest fight is probably going to be Gil but even then they probably win

[u/royalemperor]

Who does Bazdilot summon then? Berserker Jack?

Bazdilot's Mana crystal/mud stockpile would make anyone he summons an absolute powerhouse, as we saw with Alcides. I doubt he would have to exert so much effort subduing Jack as he did Herc too.