r/Hawaii • • 3d ago

Local Issue Spotlight Now: From gas to groceries, Hawaii families hit by rising costs

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2026/10/13/spotlight-now-gas-groceries-hawaii-families-hit-by-rising-costs/

What would Hawaii gain and/or lose if groceries and drug were not taxed.

Example: Washington State does not tax grocery and drug

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u/Hungdaddy69x Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

Even crazier: what if Hawaii grew its own food instead of shipping in 90%

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u/ahoboknife 3d ago

Love this idea. I think anything this state does to increase its own independence from disruptable supply chains is a smart move

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u/mystyle__tg Oʻahu 3d ago

Genuinely curious, can the population be sustained with 90% locally grown food? Land space is so limited. We’d probably have to significantly change our diets to prioritize kalo and ‘ulu if we want to recreate pre-euro contact food sovereignty.

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u/MikeyNg Oʻahu 3d ago

Yeah, that's the part that gets skipped when people talk about growing our own food.

There's no way we're growing all the beef that folks in Hawaii consume in the state. Or the rice. Probably not the pigs or chicken or eggs either.

So everyone - including tourists have to change what they eat. We won't realistically get there, but every little change will add up.

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u/mystyle__tg Oʻahu 3d ago

Prices would also go up too since the supply of food overall would go way down. Economy of scale makes importing food actually cheaper for the consumer, plus plenty mainland farms get subsidies from the govt that reduces cost to produce.

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u/MikeyNg Oʻahu 3d ago

Even if prices do go up - at least we'd be keeping more of that money within the state. So there's that. (We'd also need a LOT more people to become farmers than we have now....)

I think we're both on the same page here: that it sounds good to grow food locally, but there are a LOT of issues with that.

I'm all for more locally grown food, but folks have to not think it's a panacea.

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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

I think the Big Island could support enough of the beef - if we reduced the amount we consume - and if we didn't export any of it. We could also take a shit ton of property from billionaires using Eminent Domain if it comes to that. I see no problem with turning Zuck's, Oprah's and Ellison's compounds into chicken farms. If people are willing to eat wild boar, we have the pigs.

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u/mystyle__tg Oʻahu 3d ago

God imagine seizing the properties of huge billionaires and the govt needing to pay them just compensation. It would cost the state hundreds of millions, all paid by taxpayers. I can’t imagine that would be politically popular. Plus, HI has such strict land use laws. Can land zoned for residences be switched to agricultural land use?

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u/Poiboykanaka808 Kauaʻi 3d ago

We can substitute beef for other plant based proteins. Of course, we don't need to eliminate meats, but definitely reduce it. Soy beans would be great 

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u/here_now_be 3d ago

Would have to include seafood, including sea flora, but it's doable if it was a priority. Much simpler would be to start with energy. We are blasted by limitless solar energy, and blown by wind energy. We shouldn't be importing any fuel, and the electricity rate should be a third of what it is now.

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u/lostinthegrid47 Oʻahu 3d ago

I don't think seafood would really work, it could work if the fishponds were restored and we ate mullet from there. But even then, fish or chicken would probably be a once a week thing with pork and beef being a lot rarer.

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u/mystyle__tg Oʻahu 3d ago

It sucks that so much of the ahi sold on island is not local. I guess the local ahi stocks aren’t high enough to meet demand :/ don’t wanna overfish either, might need to limit the amount of recreational fishing to preserve the stocks?

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u/BMLortz Oʻahu 3d ago

Deep sea wind turbines that pull double duty as fish farms. I believe our state should subsidize such an investment.

Japan and Malta have robust tuna fish farming industries, we should learn from them. Norway has the deepest ocean wind turbines (as well as a profitable fish farming industry), we could learn from them as well. Ocean aquaculture, seaweed farming, is another facet that should be considered.

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u/ICouldEvenBeYou 3d ago

Unfortunately, kalo and 'ulu are fickle crops. 'Ulu, especially. Often short, whimsical seasons and harvests. Mix in 'uala and pala'ai, though, you should always have something. We need to get back to focusing on all of these canoe crops as a widespread community initiative.

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u/Poiboykanaka808 Kauaʻi 3d ago

Ulu could be turned into other dishes. It can also be fermented into "ma". Ma can last months and even years. This fermented ulu opens even more doors to a variety dishes that I am sure Hawai'i could make good use of

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u/bambam007rocket 3d ago

Perhaps using lawn and balcony space. Maybe small vertical gardens.

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u/Whisky_Colonic 3d ago

Did this before for funsies. I would starve.

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u/moocow36 3d ago

Lol. You learned something from your funsies!

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u/Poiboykanaka808 Kauaʻi 3d ago

There are thousands of acres of ag land across the state which is left empty. That land could be used to grow nutrient rich agriculture that is sustainable and thrives here. Ulu, uala, kalp, soy, ect. These things could also be exported and that create a diversity of dishes. I also think that creating food sovereignty means shifting Hawai'is overall diet. Loco mocos would become a delicacy or once in a while meal. Same with musubis, unless we create these things with local or new ingredients 

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u/MonkeyKingCoffee Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

what if Hawaii grew its own food instead of shipping in 90%

I'm doing everything I can to help fix this one.

The county doesn't really make my life more difficult. But they're not particularly helpful, either. I'm trying to restore an over-grown 100-year-old farm. I'm diversifying as much as possible because we can't eat coffee.

I don't expect to be paid to not raise pigs. I'm not getting any federal subsidies. I'm not even asking for anything. Just don't make things more difficult.

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u/liloa96776 Oʻahu 3d ago

get the federal subsidies if you qualify, why not. at least to get your foundations. I think itd be worth it

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u/MonkeyKingCoffee Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 20h ago

Federal subsidies are for farmers in red states who have representatives who put money in the farm bill for them.

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u/imapluralist Oʻahu 3d ago

Then they need to subsidize small farms and farmers. I have grown food. It's not easy and not cheap. If they would just make it more rewarding to bring to market and take some of the competitive price advantage away from our imports it would be doable. But without the state's help? Growing nutritious vegetables doesn't earn enough to even pay for gas to get out to the field, let alone enough to mow it - or buy it for that matter - it's a laughable predicament. The DOA talks about supporting farmers but theyre really doing a bunch of bureaucratic boondoggling.

Make a state cooperative that local farms can sell their produce to and/or through.

There are solutions, but the state doesnt really seem interested in food security for the islands.

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u/123supreme123 3d ago edited 3d ago

Been trying to do this for decades via agricultural development corp and other initiatives for low rent, etc. and still can't compete. Hawaii is disadvantaged in terms of all costs compared to low cost imports from south america and the states. Hawaii has trouble sustaining its own dairy and meat industries, bakeries, farms, etc. Our lawmakers are incompetent and would rather funnel billions to poorly run projects like the rail. Other states support their farming and cattle industries the way Hawaii doesn't.

And even when there's successful businesses such as the Kauai shrimp farm, there's no support in encouraging further growth and development, and things even progressed backwards with the Kahuku shrimp farms closing because their leases expired & one of the Kauai shrimp farms closing due to damage after the storm (no state support???)

https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiNewsNow/posts/kauai-shrimp-will-permanently-shut-down-its-shrimp-farming-operations-in-kekaha-/1612842104208837/

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Cold-water shrimp and prawns are Hawai‘i’s second-largest food export, according to HDAB. In 2024, the state exported 1.15 million pounds of shrimp and prawns, totaling $10.9 million in sales. 

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u/Salt-Material-808 3d ago

I hope the Stevadores donʻt go on strike on Monday (😱)

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u/Greedy-Original1624 3d ago

Sounds great until you actually buy some locally grown produce and it costs 5x as much as store bought.

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u/ExtentNo7951 3d ago

But pre-pealed half spoiled garlic from china is pretty Ono.

Or the wild caught salmon, caught off the coast of the alaska, shipped to china to filet it, then shipped back to the mainland (thanks Mr Jones and your act) and then shipped to KTA. Personally, I like my fish travelling 10,000 miles after it dies before I eat it while living on an Island.

And the Mexican avocado's. So much smaller and woody than the ones falling in my yard. less nutritional value is the best way to diet!

Dont forget about all those golfers we'd upset if we used their precious grass for food production.

Nah, we really should keep shipping in food. It is really the best way to go! Nothing bad will ever happen to the weather or diesel prices to disrupt the arrival of chicken from Perdue Farms in Salisbury, Maryland for our fancy chick-fil-a. Its not like we have an entire island with millions of roaming free range chicken....

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u/lostinthegrid47 Oʻahu 3d ago

Jones act doesn't stop ships from dropping things off here and then continuing on to the west coast or vice versa. Economics and harbor facilities do.

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u/ExtentNo7951 3d ago

as long as my fish travels farther. It would probably be good that when it gets to the west coast, they put my fish on a truck, ship it to the east coast and then put it on a boat back through the Panama canal back to us.

Same with the Micronesian tuna for my foodland poke. I certainly dont want them using local caught tuna if possible.

I see we get some of our groceries from North Macedonia which is about 8200 miles away. That's a good average distance for our groceries, but it could be farther.

Chilean grapes travel about 6800 miles to us, and that is perfect time to ripen

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u/lostinthegrid47 Oʻahu 3d ago

All the sarcasm in the world isn't going to change the fact that the shortest route between the west coast and asia goes by Alaska. Stopping at Hawaiʻi would change the trip from around 4000 miles to over 6700 miles. But if the Jones Act goes away, I'm sure you can find something else to blame and be sarcastic about when ships keep using the existing routes.

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u/kiwimonk 3d ago

Do it!

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u/lostinthegrid47 Oʻahu 3d ago

It might be doable but we'd have to radically change our diet. It'd probably be mostly ulu, kalo and bananas and greens with chicken and fish (mostly mullet) being a weekly bonus, pork being maybe monthly, and beef being something we'd eat a few times a year.

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u/bitecloud 3d ago

I am not for or against feral chickens, but if times got really hard they could come in handy.

https://giphy.com/gifs/wsWXAV4iHkvbWBdfbb

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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

We have some (feral) deadbeat hens who drop their eggs all over the place - my neighbor gets at least 3-6 eggs a day and all he has to do is throw out a little chicken feed so they don't just eat bugs all day.

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u/AvengingBlowfish 3d ago

FYI, it's a little tricky because Hawaii technically does NOT have a sales tax.

The General Excise Tax on groceries may appear to be 4.712% on the receipt, but because the GET applies to business to business wholesale transactions and everything else the grocery store has to pay like rent and utilities, it's the equivalent of a 16% sales tax according to some studies.

In any case, there is a bill to remove the GET from groceries. It would help a little... about $240 million a year spread over the 1.4 million people who live in Hawaii and the roughly 225,000 tourists who are here on any given day.

https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/no-grocery-get/

Personally, I'd rather see the legislature focus on reducing housing costs. I think that would have a bigger impact.

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u/kiwimonk 3d ago

Doing away with taxes doesn't fix anything long term. You have to have people in government actively rooting out corruption and trying to make our lives easier instead of the richest richer.

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u/incarnate1 Oʻahu 3d ago

Doing away with taxes doesn't fix anything long term.

It would make things cheaper for us; and it might force the government to stop being so wasteful with other people's money. It's not about rooting out corruption, it's about setting up our infrastructure so that corruption is very hard or impossible to exist. To de-incentivize unwanton behavior and enforce accountability amongst public servants who are supposed to be serving the public.

There is a lot of WASTE that goes on with the taxpayer dime. It's a nice thought though, that our tax dollars are being spent efficiently.

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u/EZhayn808 3d ago

This. The savings of less taxes would be minuscule per person/household compared to how much in total our government would lose. Which means less state/county services. More understaffing. Etc etc.

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u/315_benchpress 3d ago

It’s crazy how high grocery prices have gotten these past few years. I feel broke everytime I go out to buy food

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u/Tall-Blacksmith3463 3d ago

Some months I'm like wtf did I spend my money on, and granted I do buy some items that are a little bougie, but I barely eat out and its still wtf to me.

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u/_Kine 3d ago

Hawaiʻi residents are spending 50% more on groceries compared to two years ago.

Damn, what do you think happened 2 years ago that could have caused something like this????

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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex Oʻahu 3d ago

Everything costs more so I’m surprised at how many new things and full restaurants I see when I’m out

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u/Slightly_Shrewd Kauaʻi 3d ago

I mean, when you’re selling chips and guac (sourced straight from Costco) for $11 (~20 chips and 1/4 of an avo), you’re bounding to make a decent living lol

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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex Oʻahu 3d ago

Yeah…it’s cheaper to buy in bulk and meal prep, but I have coworkers who buy coffee and lunch everyday at $15-20 total then complain about how they can’t afford anything while putting luxury goods and vacations on credit

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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

You just described all of my coworkers. Every singe one of them. A few of them even use doordash for all of this and I'm pretty sure they're spending closer to $30 a day.

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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex Oʻahu 2d ago

They say Costco is too expensive but will buy bags of chips and candy bars retail price at 7-11 lol

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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 2d ago

Every day around 3pm someone makes an ABC run to grab a few $5-6 energy drinks. I'm still not sure why they don't just pick up a 24pk from Costco. It's like they haven't figured out that this is a daily thing with an easy fix to save money.

I'm not gonna say anything though because they also come back with HiChews.

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u/Konaboy27 3d ago

And they are the same Hawai’i people who think local people that live in Washington state have it better than them.

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u/Konaboy27 3d ago

Hawai’i people have some messed up priorities IMO.

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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex Oʻahu 2d ago

People who are irresponsible are downvoting you.

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u/Konaboy27 10h ago

Oh and once they see the Link train they automatically think Honolulu sucks

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u/Konaboy27 2d ago

Some people are too close to their own problems to realize that there is a problem

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u/Konaboy27 10h ago

But for real in my experience as a local boy local people live rather extravagantly and complain about the cost of living.

Yet say I have it better than them because I live on the mainland especially because Washington state has no state income tax

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u/MonkeyKingCoffee Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

I'll go WAY further than this. Here is my list of things which should not be taxed:

  • Groceries. (except junk food -- soda, for instance. They can tax soda, candy, and other nutritionally deficient foods. Anything which causes diabetes is a good threshold.) But potatoes? A whole chicken? A bag of dried beans? None of that should be taxed.
  • Clothing, under some arbitrary price threshold. A $20,000 designer dress should absolutely be taxed. Your child's school clothes should not. This threshold should be pegged to inflation so that parents aren't paying taxes when childrens' clothes go up in price.
  • Wholesale goods. This is currently taxed at 0.5% -- Hawaii makes money on both ends of the transaction. I make a widget and sell it to a retail store and pay 0.5%. You buy this widget later and pay another 4.5%. This is an extra half-percent on basically everything in the entire state.
  • Medicine and medical supplies. It is fucking unfair to tax tampons. And condoms. And Epipens. And baby formula. And prescriptions.
  • Agricultural and industrial items. Tractors, fertilizer, heavy machinery, etc. All of this drives up everything else.
  • Rent. Jesus-fucking-christ! Isn't rent high enough already without the county getting a piece of the pie? The tenant pays this tax. It's utterly unfair. I'd even waive taxes on commercial and industrial property because it's just passed on to the customer.

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u/StealinChildren 3d ago

Beyond supplies, medical and dental services should not be taxes either

https://files.hawaii.gov/tax/legal/taxfacts/tf98-1.pdf

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u/MonkeyKingCoffee Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 3d ago

An old filling fell out. I paid GET to have it refilled. That's ridiculous. I'm walking around in excruciating pain with a big hole in my tooth and Hawaii wants a cut of that?

I should have added healthcare procedures to that, for sure.

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u/BMLortz Oʻahu 3d ago

I just got my estimate for a root canal with insurance. over $500. I sent a reply asking how much for the doctor to just punch me in the face and knock out my tooth. If they respond at all, assuming they don't offer such a service, I'll ask if they offer "Cast Away" proceedure, that involves a ice skate and a rock.

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u/808flyah 3d ago

That's the way other states do it. Basic necessities are tax free. No tax on the apple but a tax on the apple pie. The GET is a VAT verses a sales tax. I don't think many other states also charge tax on wholesalers either, just at the point of sale to the consumer. It's all regressive in the end anyways.

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u/mark71-8 3d ago

Another area is certain self employed people! It is a huge burden to those who rely on contract work or participate in the gig economy.

Someone orders an uber ride and pays GET. The driver has to pay GET again on his earnings. Then when the driver wants to buy lunch with his earnings, he pays GET again!

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u/Tall-Blacksmith3463 3d ago

I have a W2 and 1099 job. I already made it a priority to focus on supporting local businesses before my 1099 work but MY GOD I try even harder now. The taxes are insane and I am comfortably middle class, not ballin by any means.

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u/KauaiHiker2 2d ago

For all the drivers out there: your fares are taxed as a wholesale service at 0.5%, except tips which are taxed at 4 or 4.5% (whatever your county is at). But that 0.5% applies to the entire fare paid by the customer (so including platform fees, insurance, and the state tax already deducted). So you have to keep track of all your weekly fare breakdowns and separate the items, but you save hundreds on GET.

Here is the official state tax rule: https://files.hawaii.gov/tax/legal/tir/tir25-01.pdf

Note that state tax being deducted is the GET at 4 or 4.5%. So total state tax on rideshare is "only" 5% roughly.

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u/infinite_knowledge 2d ago

Technically there’s no sales tax in Hawaii. We as consumers are not taxed on anything. However we have a GET where it is legal for businesses to pass on the tax to us. So you can say McDonald’s, Walmart, Target shouldn’t be taxing us! But they still would need to pay tax to the state.

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u/MonkeyKingCoffee Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 2d ago

You're paying it one way or another. It doesn't matter where the line-item happens. It's basically VAT in Europe.

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u/glassnumbers 3d ago

The Big Island, Kaua'i, any island except for Oahu, growing our own food is possible. On Oahu, the population is too high for that to be a thing.

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u/KauaiHiker2 2d ago

Yet I see more market garden suppliers like Aloun that started on Oahu. They have huge fields next to the train going to Kapolei. The bigger population drives more demand.

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u/123supreme123 3d ago

Sales tax is regressive and hits the poor the worst, which is why other states exempts essentials like groceries and drugs. To do this, the state would need to raise taxes elsewhere, probably increase the GET to 8%. If you think our incompetent lawmakers have the leadership and conviction to make this change... well you haven't been on-island long enough.

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u/Konaboy27 3d ago

It’s a price of paradise that I personally would pay over living in Washington state

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u/saincteye 3d ago edited 3d ago

I mean I was just dozing the other days and just being dumb...

if the state already have EBT database on what not being taxed then it would be easy for them to switch.

Anything food related and falls on the EBT rule then no tax. We can discuss about soda tax, candy tax etc. after we at least agree on this.

Everything else especially luxury items like Gucci/LV/Rolex etc. (maybe $2000) items will be taxed at 9%. Some just fly here to buy those because of the low sales tax while on the expense of other paying the same rate on groceries.

Get rid of sales tax on used items like cars, it was already paid when new.

Tax 1% property tax for rental properties, 3% for properties with occupy days less than 180 days. If the owner resides here more than 180 days then whatever income they make globally will be taxed due to being resident of the state and U.S.

Allow rent to be claimed as expense.

No sales tax for medical procedures that is medically necessary and preventive care.

Get ownership of HECO and make them nonprofit like what a utility company shall be.

While I do like local grown food but price:quality is just too much when compare to costco. Maybe we shall start WWII program like the "freedom garden" or expand the community garden program.

There are probably more...but that was just something I was thinking while stuck on H-1 traffic...

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u/walkwithfish 2d ago

What if the government only taxed transactions on credit/debit cards from zip codes outside of Hawaii?

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u/BrooklynTony198 3d ago

NY Post cites the US Census Bureau that the average family of 4 here spends 20K in groceries annually, but I think thats 2025 data so currently people spend more. So just on groceries that could be about 1,000USD less spent if we eliminate tax on groceries. Medicine I'm not sure how big of an impact that would be, it would be heavily dependent on your medical situation but could be extremely helpful for some. If you have 1 or 2 monthly medications with a $15 copay you'd maybe save $20 annually, but those who are paying $100s monthly on medicine for diabetes or cancer or heart problems would see a lot of savings.

Of course the issue is that this would reduce state revenue, but that money could theoretically be replaced by higher taxes on secondary homes and other things only the rich have access to. Without filling the gap in state revenue programs would be cut, and at least I remember furlough fridays...

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u/Ill-Assumption-4919 3d ago

Anybody ask why our elected “leaders” are pretending the Jones Act is a GOOD thing? Of all the laws and rules being modified for “Climate Change” how do they figure the additional shipping distances required for Jones compliance works in solve these problems 🤔

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u/Konaboy27 3d ago

Jones act is proven to be the cause of high food prices in Hawaii and other US possessions.

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u/Ill-Assumption-4919 3d ago

ABSOLUTELY! It’s an archaic holdover which our State and Federal “leaders” continually fail to address.

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u/Konaboy27 3d ago

They too scared to risk the demise of Matson Navigation and piss off the stevedores

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u/KauaiHiker2 2d ago

Without the Jones act, the ships that replace Matson would be crewed by 3rd world crew working in 3rd world conditions, not allowed to leave the ship and practically indentured servants. No thank you.

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u/shootzbalootz 3d ago

Nothing.

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u/TUBBYWINS808 3d ago

Remove the bottle tax, it’s the dumbest thing ever.

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u/TrissNainoa 3d ago

Yea right look at parker ranch they just ended up keeping all the land and selling it for bilions