r/HolUp • • 1d ago

Manual Coding

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u/qualityvote2 1d ago edited 23h ago

u/Coffee_MysticRealm, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...

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u/ClassyGas 1d ago

Funny- HR doing a code review 😂

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u/no-o-ne 23h ago

Funny- HR doing anything at all 😂

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u/roguebananah 21h ago

HR doing anything beyond you even sound like you know what you’re talking about and are a real person

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u/MCRemix 19h ago

I know the reddit thing is to hate on HR, but you're actually pretty close to the truth.

In the hiring process, HR's job isn't to evaluate the candidates skills, they don't know all of the company's roles enough to judge that.

Their job is just to screen candidates to help the hiring manager get down to a manageable pool.

So unironically...yes.

Also this post is fake.

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u/roguebananah 15h ago

I’m currently unemployed and this is my experience when HR, who yes they need to screen me for what I know, but there’s no way they actually know what I’m saying from a technical stand point.

They maybe have a cheat sheet of phrases to listen for but they don’t know what it means

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u/jkhanlar 4h ago

Is the HR department hiring? I still do do myself; self-taught.

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u/chickenweng65 18h ago

Tbf this is exactly how me and my coworkers communicate

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u/MCRemix 11h ago

Oh yeah, it wasn't the language that made me say it was fake.

It was the fact that "HR" is apparently one singular account/person?

If this was real, you'd see the name of a recruiter or something, not "HR".

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u/chickenweng65 3h ago

Oh lol I'm stupid

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u/klimmesil 17h ago

Why the hate for hr on reddit? What's up with that?

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u/StormySeas414 17h ago

Nobody likes HR. We just pretend we do when observed, the same way they pretend to care about us

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u/klimmesil 15h ago

I don't know what bad experience you had with them but I really don't hate them. They help me. Sure it's motivated by the law and the employer paying them but they give me information and they allow me to stay focused on my work. Also they do filtering of candidates. It just helps, I don't think my job would be comfortable without them

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u/StormySeas414 13h ago

HR has two core functions. The first is to make sure the company can recruit and retain the best talent for the absolute lowest possible cost and effort, and the second is to make sure the company's reputation and legal standing are protected from blowouts by current and former employees.

Everything they do falls under that lens. To HR, a harassment case isn't an ethical issue, it's an optics issue they need to quiet down so a scandal doesn't happen, to protect the brand. They don't care about the people involved as long as the brand is safe.

This is why companies that are actually good places to work either don't have HR at all or, if they're really big, have the bare minimum for stuff like legal tax filings and PR. Costco (a good example of a place known for ethical bosses and happy workers) literally doesn't have an HR team in any of its warehouse/stores. They have a few HR people in the corporate office to do like tax filings and shit but the actual people management - the hiring, the disputes - are handled by the GMs themselves, not some slimy HR rep who's actively incentivized to act without integrity.

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u/klimmesil 13h ago

I couldn't care less what their purpose is if it makes my life better.

I really don't know how bad your hrs were but mine are really human and do genuinely try to make my life easier. Sad to hear most people"'s experiences don't match mine tho

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u/jayerp 1d ago

This is clearly fake. But in all seriousness, in what organization would HE have the power to reject a candidate based on a technical ability or lack there of?

Aren’t technical judgement calls up to the head of the department/team doing the hiring?

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u/ValhirFirstThunder 1d ago

as far as I know it is typically

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u/Unhappy_Arugula_2154 23h ago

HR are more like a waitress presenting a menu that they wrote themselves and the manager works out what they want from that. HR don’t make calls, or at least not anywhere I’ve been or anyone I know

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u/MCRemix 19h ago

Right, basically HR just takes the thousands of applicants and tries to narrow it down to a manageable number for the hiring manager to consider.

Everything after that is the hiring manager's job.

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u/sa-sa-sa-soma 15h ago

everyone shoots the messenger (HR)

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u/ol_lordylordy 19h ago

I have a buddy in aviation. Decisions are made by HR, with little to no input from actual flight captains. Crazy.

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u/hiimhuman1 1d ago

Plot twist: the HR is AI and the engineering lead is .... Indian.

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u/kerodon 1d ago

HR is Hindi Recruiter

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u/Nuclear_Human 23h ago

AI: Actual Indian

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u/Jimmyjohnjones1 9h ago

Well one of these are guaranteed to be correct

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u/rm-rf-npr 1d ago

It's sad but companies are actually doing this. Insanity.

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u/KweftCryptic 23h ago

I mean, there's good reason for it, being able to use AI well for Software Engineering greatly boosts speed of development

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u/scott__p 20h ago

Maybe, but I can teach a good software engineer to use AI in a week.

Alternately, I had an hour meeting with a vibe coder about why I (cybersecurity lead) wouldn't approve his code with 15 buffer overflows and a handful of unsafe memory access vulnerabilities to ship to the customer. He didn't want to have to fix them because it was too hard to have to do it manually.

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u/KweftCryptic 20h ago

And that's completely fair enough. I'm not saying that we should be rejecting good coders who don't have AI experience, but what we should we should be doing is rejecting those who actively reject to use AI. Those are the people who can't move forward with technology.

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u/scott__p 19h ago

When I need code written, I care about how long it takes and what quality it is in when it's finished. I do not care about your process.

But I will say that every time my Coverity scan findings get into the triple digits, it's because someone was vibe coding.

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u/KweftCryptic 18h ago

That's because they don't know how to vibe code properly. Also my point is less about specifically AI and more about the ability to learn and make use of new technology rather than rejecting it. Rejecting new technology and saying the old stuff is better is a closed-minded way of viewing things, so it shows the kind of personality they have.

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u/scott__p 15h ago

Like I said, I care about results. I do not care how you get to those results as long as you don't break any privacy or data handling rules while you do it. If you want to program everything in Vim by hand but it's good code delivered on time, go for it. We recently had a team use Ada with no AI and their system was done far faster and better than the teams using modern language and AI assistants. Because they were better software engineers.

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u/KweftCryptic 15h ago

Maybe we're looking at different stages of hiring. I'm thinking about mindset in juniors that can become great engineers because they have the right mentality while you seem to be focused more on immediate results.

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u/scott__p 15h ago

I suppose, but I hire both junior and senior positions. My point is that skill matters far more than what tools you use. Anyone can learn a new set of tools. You're right that am engineer that refuses to use one or more of those tools without a good reason isn't a great hire, but that engineer is probably not that good overall anyway.

AI is a tool. It may make coding easier in many scenarios, but it is just the current "game changing" buzzword of choice. Like Agile or DevSecOps or whatever other buzzword has come and gone, the skills of your team are always more important than the tools or process they use.

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u/KweftCryptic 12h ago

Totally. Good insight. Hoping for more good hires and less layoffs.

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u/s4udeleg 23h ago

Yeah times are diff nowadays, everyone is supposed to be good with AI now, and most companies give their employees access to it, most of the time it's mandatory to use

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u/Reclusive_avocado 19h ago

Yeah in these diff times companies still want a strict "no AI" assessment. Stupid times

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u/s4udeleg 19h ago

Yeah the hiring process was a joke before and is a diff joke now, although more HRs/managers wanna hear that you use AI in your daily work, and you'll almost be using AI daily at your job anyway

I don't agree with the original post ofc, I'm just making some obvious points that Devs still reject nowadays (it's okay I was one of them just recently) and people got offended apparently lmao

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u/Drewelite 21h ago

Whoa now fellas, true facts are no reason to be dissenting from The Opinion. For shame. Tsk, tsk.

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u/GalaxyCereal 21h ago

That's a meme, right? RIGHT?

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u/scott__p 21h ago

Our HR does a screening to make sure they didn't lie on their resume and that's it. And the only things they're allowed to check are things like employment history, citizenship, etc. Nothing technical

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u/quanoey 12h ago

This sad af

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u/Embarrassed-Luck8585 11h ago

This is fake, RIGHT?

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u/_Indofreddy_112 9h ago

POV: Epic games for some reason

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u/namotous 18h ago

Fire HR. Bunch of useless and spineless as usual

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u/Consequence-Lumpy 18h ago

and why is HR in charge of recruitment?