r/ImaginaryWeaponry • u/Few-Flamingo-8015 • 3d ago
Original Content Trying to design a 2WW-era mid-war gun... [OC]
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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 3d ago
Yes, your eyes are not decieving you, this is a cursed child of Stg-44 and MP-40
The most German firearm as mathematically possible, it is approximately 202% German.
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u/Nonna439 3d ago
with a 2% margin of error?!
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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 3d ago
2% are from this metal round-shaped bit on the buttstock
I have no idea what is this for but I've seen it on some old German guns and I can't even remember what gun specifically
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u/peacockvigilante 3d ago
Put the magazine on the side to resemble that paratrooper rifle also and make it more cursed
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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 3d ago
Is my gun cursed currently? I thought it was just weird, not cursed
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u/peacockvigilante 3d ago
Nah, it's really great actually, I just wanted to add another gun to the mix and meant it as a joke.
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u/Supercraft888 3d ago
Perhaps if you somehow put parts of an Mg42 on there, it would be 20% more german with a 3% margine of error
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u/Plane-Education4750 3d ago
Too complex for mid war. These were the last ditch, throw it together as quickly as you possibly can in as many numbers as you possibly can era. This is the point where the Soviets were walking out of the factory with Ppsh 43s and test firing them at the invaders to work out the kinks
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u/battle_order 3d ago
The humble kitbash. I would recommend lining up the rear and front sights because as it is it’s non-functional unless it has the muzzle velocity of a baseball. The reason the Stg 44 has a tall sight post is because the barrel is low on the gun and it needs to be taller to line up with the rear sight.
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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 3d ago
Wasn't expecting Battle Order to comment on my post
It's a honour, I'm a big fan of your project
Well... I think I'll have to do something better than just trying to make a hybrid out of two different guns
At least for the style and details, is it good, or is there something to be improved with detalisation?
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u/Trick_Decision_9995 3d ago
First off, how did you make this image?
Secondly, the basic concept is kind of flawed, since your design takes two gun designs and visually merges them without regard to what those visual elements actually mean. MP40s had folding stocks because they could, StG44s had fixed stocks because that's where the recoil spring was housed. Putting the handguard and gas tube of the '44 onto the '40 does little to improve the useability of the '40 (though not nothing, as it would give the user the option to hold the gun someplace other than the magazine well) and adds parts that aren't functional on a gun that works on direct blowback.
If I were going to try and make a mid-war upgrade to the MP40, I'd Sterlingize it. Move the grip and trigger up to the magwell while keeping the receiver the same length and shape. Put a handguard over the barrel, but don't put on a gas block/piston. Keep the original sights, and don't forget to shorten the folding stock to make up for the receiver now being closer to the shooter's shoulder.
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u/Trick_Decision_9995 3d ago
Low muzzle velocity would mean that the rear sight is a lot taller than the front sight (like with grenade launchers). Aligning a tall front sight with a short rear sight would aim the gun down at the ground.
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u/caugryl 3d ago
Given German "difficulties" mid-ww2, it might be too complicated. Like others said, wood can't be stamped like metal can. I would try looking up the ppSh-41 and the m3 grease gun and try to germanify it from there
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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 3d ago
Is this the only problem with this gun? It feels odd... I can't put my finger on anything that could've been wrong with this gun
Too good for an SMG, but it's definetly not an assault rifle...
I'm really trying to think what's wrong with this gun. It feels like some kind of gun-canny valley
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u/caugryl 3d ago
The action behind the breach looks a little bulky for an SMG, and beyond the breach it looks like a long-stroke gas piston mechanism like an AK which is also lending it some bulk
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u/Infernal-Blaze 1d ago
Yeah, it's just way too much gun for that era's 9mm load. There's a reason why the standout guns in 9mm of the era are the Sten, the Sterling & the Grease Gun, a tube & a big fuckoff lump of steel is all you absolutely need for 9mm.
This design gives off the same vibe as the M1 Thompson, which also sat in an awkward middle ground between "sidearm/extreme close-range SMG" & "mid-range main-arm intermediate gun", not quite an automatic rifle & not quite a normal SMG.
To OP, think about how much space you actually need in the receiver behind the ejection port, cut off a bunch of it & make everything more minimalistic in general, as a start.
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u/Set11OfStage3 1d ago edited 1d ago
The gas block and piston is recoiling into the feed, or the magazine is teleporting the rounds into the bolt.
Seeing your response elsewhere I’ll elaborate the rod is connected to the bolt the metal piece in the opening where spent shells eject. A portion of the gas that accelerates the bullet pushes the piston back and thus the bolt cycles. The cycle ejects the current shell and pulls a new one from the magazine. Currently they intersect.
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u/el_conke 3d ago
Mid war submachineguns were made with as little wood as possible, I imagine it's chambered in 9mm, basically every other pistol caliber machine gun developed during the war had no wood whatsoever to streamline production and save costs
Also since it's an smg I'd put a foldable stock (cheapest way would be to use wire stock) and a much smaller front sight, since they are meant for shorter ranges and CQB it would be in the way more than it would be practical