He couldn't possibly see everything in infinite dimensions, otherwise he wouldn't have needed the mind merge with his multiple alter-egos. It only means in most dimensions he personally been, or heard about from his alter-egos (and later saw from their memories) Mark was evil. The question is only if he meant it like that or not and was just guessing.
He definitely didn't consider that he can only access some of the multiverse. He states he can access all of it. Bro has probably been to thousands of universes and they're probably the "nearest" ones. Bro has no idea if the larger multiverse is homogenous in its variety. He has no idea if he flipped a coin and got heads 90 times in a row.
I guess what I'm saying is that the Lutece Twins are what Angstrom likes to think he is.
How do you get so much slander from a simple statement? It's also kind of contradicted by the fact that he knows about a dimension with no signs of life. He most likely can go to any reality he wants
The limit here is his writing, not his character, also the fact that I don't think he goes to super wild dimensions cause he has no reasons to, the "nearest" Earths you describe are the interesting ones, no real reason to play safari on the gello dimension or something. And while doing this, he realized Mark being evil was a constant factor, he'd have to think "take me to an universe where Viltrum exist, but not one where Mark is evil" to do otherwise, and that's the feeling he's expressing here
The multiverse doesn't necessarily need to be infinite. DC comics operated for a long time on the fact that their multiverse has only 52 universes (after the Anti-Monitor broke the multiverse).
Edit: Dragon Ball is also a multiverse with only 12 universes, and 6 universes that were destroyed by Zeno, and a demon realm that's basically 3 universes (time traveling makes it weird so the gods generally forbid it).
It makes no sense to have a finite number of alternate universes. How can there be an alternate universe where events play out differently without ALL possibilities being on the table for other universes? That stuff with DC sounds like comic book nonsense. Flashpoint Paradox opened the floodgates for this.
It's a better choice than to claim your multiverse actually does contain all possible alternatives and choose to ignore what that actually means, or think about it for more than two seconds. Which is what the invincible writers do with anything, but also most multiverse writers that go the "all possible worlds route"
It makes no sense to have a finite number of alternate universes. How can there be an alternate universe where events play out differently without ALL possibilities being on the table for other universes?
Alternate universes aren't required to cover every possible alternative path. Transformers is one example where some continuities only have 2 to 3 universes, the main universe and the shattered glass (flipped moralities) universe and/or the dead universe (sometimes both). Code Name Kids Next Door also had the Negative Universe that did the flipped morality thing. Stranger Things also counts because it has at least two different universes but their two universes have very little in common.
That stuff with DC sounds like comic book nonsense. Flashpoint Paradox opened the floodgates for this.
DC did this long before Flashpoint Paradox. Crisis on Infinite Earths is from 1985 (End of Infinite Multiverse, the more limited multiverse started here) while Flashpoint Paradox is from 2011. DC still does Hypertime occasionally if they want to touch on the idea of all possible futures being different worlds, but not often because it's a mess to work with and explain.
I think it's actually the Maulers? And in a roundabout way Angstrom is also Comstock? And Elizabeth? It's a weird analogy but also surprisingly strong. The warehouse was on the water. I wonder if there was a lighthouse nearby?
No no it actually lines up that Booker = Mark because remember they had to kill all versions of booker there was too many possibilities of him becoming Comstock.
If he really tried thousands of universes and this is the only one where he is good, the p-value of the hypothesis that Mark is not inherently evil is pretty damn low.
That's assuming the universes are largely homogenous and that he can take an actually worthwhile sample of them. There's no reason to assume that though. There could easily be "clusters" with commonalities.
The multiverse could organise based on similarity. The further away you are, the more changes are made.
Mark being good and surviving might take so many changes that it's just out there in a part of the universe he hasn't visited.
The talking dinosaurs might be random universe he visited that's way out there or it might just be because of one or two changes that happened way in the past.
Yeah what if the multiverse is structured like a book of records, so to speak? As in all of the “similar” universes are near each other.
You know how seeing the 4th dimension is said to be like seeing a long undulating snake of yourself moving in every single moment from your birth to your death? It’d be like that, except each moment is instead a different universe. Even if your 60th birthday and your 10th birthday are in the same path, there’s 50 years of moments separating them.
Of course that wouldn’t exactly explain why our Mark’s universe/Angstrom would be anywhere “near” these evil marks, and I’m not sure if you can consider distance in the same way we would with a multiverse, but who knows.
Exactly this, the total number of marks good or evil are infinite, but the proportions in any give set inside that infinity is skewed to mark being evil.
For example, take an infinite set that holds every whole number [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...], and grab numbers from it at random, what are the chances of that number ending in a 5 or a 0? There's 20% chance, despite there being an infinite number of them, there is bigger/denser infinite amount of numbers ending in 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, and 9 inside the same set.
The 5 and 0 are the metaphorical good marks, the rest are bad marks.
An infinite amount of both, but the chances of finding a good one inside the infinite is 20%
(Note, this is assuming only dimensions where mark is alive and exists, there are even bigger/denser infinites with a dead or non-existant mark)
Canonically, it’s more that there are multiple verisons of good Marks and they’re the Marks we see in crossovers outside of the Invincible comic line. Each’s life being parallel outside of the crossovers.
That's actually not true, there are larger and smaller infinities.
There are infinite natural numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, etc.), but just between 1 and 2 there are infinite real numbers (1.00001, 1.00002, etc.). This means that despite there being infinite natural numbers and infinite real numbers, there are infinitely more real numbers than there are natural numbers. In the same way, if you had two infinitely large universes one could still be larger than the other, and if there were 2 bad marks for every good mark, then most marks would be bad, even though there are infinite good and bad marks.
Your initial statement is correct that there are different sized infinities but this would not be an example of one.
We know from our universes mark that the probability of a good mark existing and surviving against Omniman is greater than 0. Which means this scenario occurs infinitely many times assuming infinite universes. This is a well known theorem in probability. Even if the probability of an evil mark existing in a given universe is higher, say 1 million evil marks per surviving good marks these are still both countable infinities which are equal in size. The proof involves creating a bijective function between the two sets and is a bit of a mind fuck when first learning about infinite sets in mathematical Analysis.
Yes this is theoretically accurate, but Angstrom is limited by sample size; because he has a finite sample size of what he can actually contact and learn about within realistic human perception, his data will inevitably be represented by probabilities. So it's true that there are infinite good and bad Marks both alive and dead, there are statistically more living bad Marks in Angstroms sample than living good Marks.
True, but we’re specifically talking about the proportion of good marks vs evil marks here. Assuming he has to go through each one, one at a time, he’d be far more likely to find evil ones I think.
Let say that there the good marks and evil marks population are 50/50 it likely that good marks will die by Omni-man or the Viltrum Empire let say to 25-75
I know infinities are extremely confusing to most people but I see every single fandom with any form of multiverse get this completely wrong. The existence of infinitely many universes DOES NOT imply the existence of infinitely many universes with a certain trait (like having a good version of Mark). Just like:
there are infinitely many natural numbers but only 10 of them are less than 10
there are infinitely many prime numbers but only one of them is even
there are infinitely many different possible passwords but only one of them lets you access your bank account
This also explains why Angstrom says "most" of the invincibles are evil - "most" being used as "almost all" meaning "all but finitely many".
People saying that some infinities are bigger than others are technically right in the sense that there could be an entire continuum of universes and only countably many of them have a good version of Mark. While it is a good explanation, it doesn't address the important misconception I pointed out earlier. It does unfortunately need a bit more knowledge in mathematics to understand, which makes some people believe things like "infinitely many 20 dollar bills is bigger than infinitely many 1 dollar bills because some infinities are bigger than others" which simply isn't true.
This also explains why Angstrom says "most" of the invincibles are evil - "most" being used as "almost all" meaning "all but finitely many".
Hell, not even that. If the universes are uncountable, it could mean "all but countably many" or just any set of measure 0 on the given probability space.
I just came here to see if this was the top comment and of course it's way down the thread. I am tired of seeing this exact repost, when will people learn what infinity is around here
I didn’t understand this at first back in season 2/3 but someone explained it simply by saying imagine you had infinite dough. To make dough you need flour, water, yeast and salt in certain amounts. Infinite dough doesn’t mean that there’s just as much salt in the dough as flour.
Related, this also reminds me that whenever people make alternate universe mark OCs like whatsapp Mark or GDA Mark, or talk about AUs like Kindquest, people in the comments are always like “there are infinite universes in invincible so this fan thing is canon” because they think infinite means anything can be in there.
Back to the dough example, infinite dough doesn’t mean that you will find a horse in there. As horses aren’t an ingredient in dough. So infinite universes doesn’t mean that anything goes because “infinite.” Idk if I explained that well but yeah
It so simple to understand. If you have infinite Legos and 10 of the small green trees are missing a single leaf it does not mean there are infinite small green trees missing a single leaf.
It just means there are infinite LEGOS.
Like, look up The Central Finite Curve. If Rick anf Morty can explain why an infinite number of universes doesnt mean an infinite number of a single thing it shouldnt be hard for even the average preteen to grasp.
To my knowledge, the problem with speculating about this from any angle is that the true nature of the infinite universes in Invincible is never made explicit. We can speak of the rules of infinite numbers because numbers inherently are logically constrained, but there are no accordingly obvious formal constraints on how Mark’s character develops in “most” universes, and this is not something that can easily be mathematised based on what we know.
All that we have to draw from is Angstrom’s experience, someone who is clearly delusional and seems like an unreliable narrator. I try to steer clear of any firm conclusions here, even when I do acknowledge the existence of constraints in principle.
Partially blinded, but also good Marks may be infinite but they make up a small % of universes making them hard to find. Angstrom can’t search new universes by if they have a good Mark.
Well, if we actually think that there is an infinite number of Marks, then there is no discernable percentage of good ones. 1% of infinity is still infinity.
Also, a lot of the universes with a good Mark end with him dying. So Angstrom might have popped into a few and saw there was no Invincible, and decided to move on.
Angstrom doesn’t get to Google universes with specific traits, so if Mark has a 1% chance of being good there may be infinite good Marks but after searching 100 Mark containing universes he’d probably only find one.
Imagine a number 1.11111111110... repeating into infinity. There are an infinite number of 0's, but if you randomly select a digit you don't have an equal chance of selecting a 1 or a 0.
True but people don't typically don't deal in infinities we deal with what we can reach or use.
For arguments sake say there's an infinite amount of planets that can sustain life in the universe, doesn't do much good unless you reach them. Angstrom is still limited by the knowledge he has from the finite amount of Angstroms he learned from, he can probably travel outside that but for all he knows he could be stepping into a world that's a flaming ball of lava or hordes of soul stealing ghosts could come swarming through.
That's like saying: "if there are infinite numbers, there are infinitely many numbers equal to 3, right?".
The existence of infinite universes does not guarantee anything appears infinitely many times.
Also there's no way Angstrom knows everything about every universe, that's, again, not how infinity works; also following up on this, how does Angstrom know there are infinite universes?
Couldn't it just be a number so high that he cannot possibly see them all in millennia?
How could he know there's no limit?
I mean, he can’t look through every universe at once right? So if it’s infinite marks at a 1-1000 ratio in favor of evil marks, then while there are infinite good marks, he can’t meaningfully interact with ‘infinity’. It’s like an infinitely sized continent with a single gold prospector, he won’t end up with infinite gold.
Every time the multiverse or infinity shows up in fiction I realize how many people are bad at math.
There could be a multiverse where every Mark is evil. There could be a multiverse where ONLY our Mark is good. There could be a multiverse where only finitely many Marks are good. There could be a multiverse with infinitely many Marks but they're so rare that the chance of finding them is basically 0.
"Infinitely many things" does not mean every option occurs with equal frequency.
Some infinities are greater than others.
For example, theres an Infinite amount of numbers, and and Infinite amount of prime numbers.
But there will always be more non prime numbers than prime numbers.
Infact, they even get rarer as they approach Infinity.
This again. There's a reason it's a philosophical paradox and physics/math doesn't really like touching on it these days. It's unfalsifiable. I spent a very long night reading a paradox professor's course on this after the last time it came up for my own edification (be forewarned it's pretty high level and abstract even with a solid math background, but the examples are good at illustrating):
https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/paradox/document_list.html
If the paradoxes work out, then theoretically at time infinity or when the supertask of checking all infinite universes is completed, both evil and good Marks will be infinite in number.
However, there exists a probability distribution, so if it is true that say 75% of Marks in conditions similar to our earth are evil, then right up until that exact moment of infinity when both Marks are infinite in number, 75% of the Marks will be evil.
Yes, it's confusing, no it doesn't make intuitive sense. No, there's not 100% consensus on how this would work in the multiverse. It has to do with the definition of infinity and how cardinality comes into play. Technically, the infinity of natural numbers 1, 2, 3... is the same as the infinity of 12, 22, 32... is the same as the infinity of positive and negative integers -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3... because theoretically each item can be matched with another item in the other series infinite times.
This holds true even when logically one series should have many more items than the other series, so long as their cardinality is the same (both are 'countable infinities' we can assign numbers to in counting each item of the set). The larger and smaller infinity argument will only be the correct final answer when the cardinality is different (which gets complicated to prove but good examples above) or when one is a subset of the other.
Similarly, it is both true that you can find an infinite number of good marks within the good mark universes (like how there's infinite numbers between 1 and 2 but none are 3), and also true that both good and bad will cancel out to infinity at time infinity, but up until that final moment any arbitrarily large number of randomly picked universes will match the distribution of evil to good marks.
But all the paradox explanations get wonky when dealing with if and how probability applies, and there are a lot of inherent assumptions both wrong and right in the question itself and the potential solutions.
Generally speaking, even if at the final instant the number of Marks will both be infinite, if there is a probability distribution skewing the average Mark to one side, and the multiverse is positioned with similar universes distant from ours relative to their similarity, then right up until the exact moment of the infinite count, the distribution of Marks will more and more exactly match their distribution in the multiverse (75% in my example).
So it's 75% all the way until the very instant the solution becomes infinity. All of which is pretty meaningless anyways because Angstrom cannot spend infinite time doing this, it will 100% be defined by the probability cloud of the universes.
There's a reason it's a philosophical paradox and physics/math doesn't really like touching on it these days
The reason is that maths has solved problem since the Greeks (and most other societies with some kind of pre formal maths). Assuming "infinite" means anything can happen is, just, provably false, we've known this since we've known about natural numbers. There is a reason the Greeks considered the proof that there are an infinite amount of prime numbers to be worth studying and not a trivial statement.
If the paradoxes work out, then theoretically at time infinity or when the supertask of checking all infinite universes is completed, both evil and good Marks will be infinite in number.
This is a leap in logic. There could be only 1 good mark, or a finite amount, depending on what the writers want. There are an infinite amount of naturla numbers, but only number is equal to 0. There is a proper class of sets, but only one set is the empty set...
However, there exists a probability distribution, so if it is true that say 75% of Marks in conditions similar to our earth are evil, then right up until that exact moment of infinity when both Marks are infinite in number, 75% of the Marks will be evil.
This would only be guaranteed if your search is random, and it's only a behaviour at the limit, so it should really say that you'd be getting closer to 75%, being able to get arbitrarily close.
Yes, it's confusing, no it doesn't make intuitive sense. No, there's not 100% consensus on how this would work in the multiverse. It has to do with the definition of infinity and how cardinality comes into play
There is no consensus, not because we don't know how to deal with cardinalities, but because we do know enough to know that the writers can create different forms of consistent multiverses that work differently.
You know the fandom watched this whole plot with their phones on, or never cared about understanding it because half the answers are "he was blinded by hate", even though he made this statement before he had any genuine hatred towards Mark. He literally became crazy because he wanted to save our Mark lol
Infinity is infinite so an infinite number of events are possible, however some events are more likely then others to occur.
For example, it’s possible theirs a universe where the viltrum empire was benevolent and remained benevolent in present day, however it will take a long time to find that universe as it requires a lot of different things to go right in order for it to occur.
The same principle applies to mark and him being good or evil, theres many contributing factors such as: each Nolan’s actions, when Mark got his powers, his neurology could differ in each universe resulting in different actions, even Nolan’s words choice on a given day could impact this. Plus being a good mark puts any hypothetical Mark under a greater amount of adversity then being an evil Mark would , essentially providing a selection pressure in the multiverse favouring evil marks.
Additionally, Angstrum has to travel to each universe as he isn’t omniscient and theirs an infinite number of universes. So despite his claims, he cannot be a fully reliable narrator as he physically cannot view every universe to confirm this fact to be true.
So while it would be correct to say that good marks are less common/ are a smaller infinity. it’s probably not correct to say that our mark is the only good mark as that would be statistically impossible.
I enjoy the theory that evil Marks are more common because good Marks often die to Nolan. Yes, an infinite number of rare variants are still infinite, but I guess they are harder to find.
there's infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but only one of them is 1.467. Good mark is 1.467, and all the other evil marks are the other infinite decimals
Okay, let me put it this way. there is an infinite beach in front of you, and thus infinite grains of sand. does that mean you can easily find the exact grain I show you a picture of because there's an infinite number of them?
If for every 1000 bad Marks, there is 1 good Mark, there may be an infinite amount of universes, but for every universe there are 1000:1 odds that they have a good Mark, there are theoretically infinite amounts of good marks, just way harder to find.
If you have infinite sea shells in front of you, a human, who experiences time passing, and a very small percentage of those sea shells have a smiley face naturally occurring on them, you may never find any of those smiley shells before you die.
There are infinite good marks and infinite bad marks, yet there are way less good marks than bad which makes them rarer. Think of it as if there are 100 trillion grains of sand on a beach. 99 trillion are red. 1 trillion are blue. There is an Incomprehensible amount of both, but it is much harder to find a blue than a red.
I think the other important factor is that he doesn’t have control of when he jumps into that universe. In most of the universes where Mark is good, he probably dies fighting Omni-man and this one was the outlier.
This was literally the first question I had. If its possible for Mark to be good, then there are an infinite number of good Marks. Fym you never saw one, Angstrom?
The weird thing about infinite quantities of multiple values is you can still have “more” of one value in the sense that one value proliferates more than others. There can be an infinite number of Good Marks and yet 99/100 worlds you visit has a Bad Mark.
Not necessarily. We don't know the probability of being a good Mark and Angstrom can't verify that there are truly infinite universes but for the sake of the argument, let's assume so. Suppose the probability of Mark being good is 1/(ne) where e > 0 and n is a natural number. For infinite spaces, the distribution has to be well defined. Let's assume universes have a poisson( poisson is probability of occurrences) distribution. Than the occurrence of a good Mark in an infinite universe with a probability of 1/(ne) is 1. So there are ways where a good outcome can only happen once in an infinite multiverse. Infinity is just weird, especially since it isn't a number.
Infinity is weird. Some “infinities” can be larger than others, and proportions/ratios hold true as the number of samples goes to infinity.
Imagine a 6-sided die with 5 faces painted blue and one painted red. If I roll that die infinite times, I will roll both red and blue an infinite number of times—but I’ll still roll blue 5x more than red. So even if there are "infinite" good versions of Mark, they can still be exceptionally rare compared to the evil ones. Like if the die had a thousand blue sides instead of 5.
Also, the multiverse may be infinite but Angstrom is not. He has to actually travel through them, and talk to other versions of himself. If there are a million evil Marks for every good one, then good Marks effectively don’t exist because Angstrom will never find them.
The implication isn’t that Angstrom can’t find another good Mark, or that he’s stupid or a liar, the implication is that the Image Comics multiverse is a more limited multiverse.
There may not be an infinite number of alternate worlds where Invincible exists, they never explicitly say the multiverse is truly infinite, only that it’s incredibly vast.
There’s multiple kinds of infinity, too. An infinite list of numbers can absolutely contain only one instance of the number 5. Maybe their multiverse isn’t an absolute infinity.
Angstrom did say there are infinite universes in both the comic & show. Though that could be interpreted as the multiverse is vast. I think your interpretation is more in line with evidence we know about this series.
The characters in Invincible don’t seem to have infinite versions of themselves across the multiverse. Angstrom only had around 1,000 variants of himself, which is small if the multiverse were truly endless in scope for every individual. After the explosion killed all of those variants, leaving just the main Angstrom carrying all their memories, basically wiping every version of himself out of existence.
We also know that a version of Angstrom’s son inherited his powers and still couldn’t find another Angstrom anywhere in the multiverse. And on top of that, Oliver is implied to be extremely rare in the universes, with his existence depending on very specific circumstances.
All of that suggests that even though there are infinite universes, the Invincible multiverse is relatively “small” or finite in terms of possible character variations and outcomes.
Some infinites are bigger than others. Due to his Viltrumite heritage and father's influence, the probability of Mark being evil is bigger than him being good, so the infinity of him being bad is bigger than the infinity of him being good.
Imma say there are only a certain number of multiverses that are considered "canon worthy". The rest are just have any real impact. Think of it as a natural Central Finite Curve.
We have this discussion every single week, I swear.
Some infinities are larger than others.
For example, the number of positive integers is infinite. So is the quantity of real numbers. But the amount of real numbers is a much larger infinity than the number of integers.
It’s the same way with Marks, from what we can tell. There’s an infinite number of good and bad, but there’s a larger infinity of bad than good.
Angstrom is the dumbest fucking character in Invincible, and that's before his self inflicted brain injury. It's insane how many wrong and dumb things this man says and does.
Bro introduced himself as a genius and says he can access all of the multiverse. Yet any version of earth that is even a day ahead or behind in its orbit is permanently and totally inaccessible to him.
Bro has the ability to actually experiment with the multiverse and somehow knows less than a layman. It's pathetic.
A genius doesn't go around doing anything, they go around doing what they think its smart. What he wanted was very smart, your gotcha doesn't mean anything
He's dumb for not doing the experiment in a very remote location where others can't intervene. He could have done it on that barren planet where he trapped the other marks or a hidden base on some ransom planet.
Or it was doomed to fail and he'll suffer the same fate, but less brainy.
Infinite in the same way the ocean probably has a lot of gold. Go to the beach right now, and you’re probably not going to find much, FOR A LONG WHILE.
I like to think that the multiverse is infinite, but depending on your location in it, you might be surrounded evil versions of yourself, but if you were to go north west a few universes over, then all of a sudden you're surrounded by only good counterparts
In an infinite multiverse there are infinite of everything. This does mean infinite good and bad marks. However it can still be more common to come across evil marks in an infinite multiverse. He was also blinded by rage and trauma.
So many of these types of criticisms that get posted on reddit all the time never account for human emotion. "If you think about it logically, they should have done this differently," yeah well, humans are complex and hypocritical and emotional all the time. Angstrom isn't a robot, he isn't stupid either. He's just clearly a really messed up dude.
He is not being literal. He is talking about all the universes he went to. He personally encountered more evil versions of Mark than good versions. You should not interpret everything you read as an absolute.
I guess it's like a frequency things like there are an infinite number of twin primes but they are so sparsely spread they become rare to come across after a certain point something of similar order might be up aswell it's just that it's way easier to come across a evil mark than a good mark also probably because a lot of good marks just died from nolan furthur more even the main mark was almost convinced of he didn't call Debbie a pet our mark would end up evil aswell
A good number of versions of himself probably did come from universes with good Marks. But the thing is bad memories heavily outweigh good ones. Even if the good ones outnumbered the bad 10 to 1, it wouldn't matter.
He's absolutely blinded by trauma, that's like the point of his character. He meant well, but a lot of the minds he merged with came from countless timelines where Mark was evil. The good that was in him constantly gets shouted down by the legions of alternate Angstroms who witnessed Invincible killing everyone they ever loved.
I'll just copy my comment from the last post on this exact topic 3 days ago.
Not to turn this into a massive discussion, but to put it simply, infinite doesn't mean everything. Universes can be infinite in number, but that doesnt mean that anything is necessarily possible if they all follow the same constraints. From what we have seen so far, all of these different universes seem to follow the same physics and laws of the universe, meaning that possibilities are going to have at least some form of restriction despite being "infinite".
So, following that logic, since most Mark's seem to either be evil, or maybe dead if they were good, that means that our living and good Mark is the slight variation that rarely ever happens.
I could of course be wrong and Kirkman could say his multiverse does whatever he wants it to do. So take everything I said with a grain of salt lol.
First off, he had only been to a set amount of universes, not infinite.
Secondly, an infinite amount of universes only means that whatever is POSSIBLE will happen.
What if, a good mark is genuinely so rare, that a very small limited amount of universes exists with a good one in it?
Out of the infinite multiverse, there could only be like 10,000 variations tht lead to a good mark, that also survives his fight with his dad, and survives battle beast, and survives the flaxans, and survives thraxa, and survives whatever viltrumite is the one sent to Earth. It could be a very specific, hard to survive, series of events that leads to a Mark that never turns.
If the multiverse is infinite think of it like counting up, if a good mark is the number 1 then it can go on infinitely to any number but that number will never be 1 again, it could be as close as 1.2 but that isn’t 1.
There are infinities that are larger than other infinities. There are an infinite number of good Marks and an Infinite number of bad Marks. If you take 10,000 random Marks, probably 9,999 will be evil
Well maybe he is the only variant to live in a world with a good mark so he never got his mind merged with any other version that had a good invincible.
His brain is also scrambled with 100s of other versions of himself that were traumatized by invincible and he is blinded by that.
Ugh, can we end the infinite multiverse garbage. Scientifically it makes no sense. As a story device it's lazy. As a thought experiment it can be disproved almost immediately. It's a trash plot mechanic for aubpar writers please kill this crutch
This Fandom needs to understand that the mentally unstable guy with consciousness of 90 different variants where Mark is evil melting together is not mentally stable
It is possible for one infinity > another. For instance, there is an infinite amount of numbers between 1-2, but the set of all counting numbers is far greater. And the set of counting numbers is also a much smaller infinity than the set of whole numbers.
There are actually just as many good Mark's, but not as many survive, because on the mountain in season 1, Nolan goes through with it, and kills Mark.
There technically is a way to decide that one infinity is larger than another one. I don’t know how it works, but even though there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 there are more infinite numbers from 0-infinity somehow. So there could be a larger infinite number of evil Marks meaning more often than not he is evil even though there are infinite instances of both.
Yeah it doesn’t make sense because if he was visiting random universes there’d be a 50% chance of either good or bad mark and literally an infinite number of different things
The way he talks about the multiverse was interesting cause it's in terms of probability. He didn't say that there was more universes where Marks identity was known, just that it was known most of the time as in it was more likely to happen.
To answer this question, load up Minecraft and see how long it takes to get a seed (of which there are uncountably many) where you spawn in a stronghold
You gotta remember in the grayson house he only then learned he was the one who destroyed the machine when he sent Mark away he was thinking there is no way he helped Mark and had the flashbacks hes memories are messed up cuz of all of those brains hes insane.
It's like for every 50 bad Mark's, there's 1 good Mark, but that goes for infinity, so yes there are infinite both, but you run into the bigger infinity more often.
I don't doubt by volume there's a shit ton of bad Marks, but there ain't no way bro wasn't mad lazy when finding all those evil Marks. He 100% let his trauma lead him to conformation bias himself an army together so he can prove a biased point
God, I am so sick of people thinking infinite dimensions means literally every single possibility happens an infinite number of times. There are infinite whole numbers bigger than 0, but there are still finite ones below 10, below 100, below 1000. You can have infinite apples and no bananas. You can have infinite dimensions and still have a finite number that have a Mark Grayson, that have humans, that have life on earth, and the rest of infinity is just dead worlds and empty space.
This shouldn’t be an overly complicated situation to understand. The universe is infinite, but Mark….Omniman….Battle Beast….etc don’t exist exactly the same in that quantity. In that sandbox style of multiverse, some are good, some bad, some dead, some bakers….and so on and so forth over infinity
My thoughts about it is both are infinite but one is a much bigger infinity. Think of if you say 1.11111111 and repeat it. Thats infinity. It goes forever but that is a much smaller infinity than say counting by 1 to infinity. Angsrom’s failure is not going until he got a single good mark other than his own.
It's a very common problem with mutliverse stories. Chief reason I try to steer clear of them to. The moment you add an infinite multiverse you have created a story larger then you can possibly account for.
He can’t uncover every single dimension. There isn’t an infinite number of him.
Invincible is a villain in the universe. He is aware of aside from our main one. Given the many brushes with death invincible has had, it is safe to say that heroic conversions of him have a very short life expectancy. Even putting aside the conflict with Omni-Man, our invincible has nearly died multiple times even with Omni-Man’s help.
1) he's mentally ill and actively sought out evil marks
2) it's the infinite numbers situation. There are infinite numbers between 1 and 3 but there is only a singular 2, that 2 is our heroic mark and while there are infinite marks there is only one good mark
Blinded. Also, it could be that he was only seeing "close" alternate universe verses where Mark is evil while the other good Marks are more spread out. There's also a chance that many other good Marks died fighting Omni-Man or were killed by Battle Beast during their first encounter.
The problem is that infinite is too hard for any person to quantify, but I think Doctor Strange summed it up best when he said "there are an infinite amount of numbers, but there are also an infinite amount of odd numbers". So, while yes, you are correct that there are infinite universes in which there are good Marks, there are also infinite universes in which the evil Marks exist, and they were the ones Angstrom more commonly came across. He can travel to other universes, however, since he's human, he only has a limited scope of understanding, otherwise his brain would likely liquefy from the overload of information.
I saw one interpretation that I buy into being that it isn’t a lack of morally good Invincibles but a lack of Invincibles who are good and survived the Viltrumes be it his dad or any other viltrumite
It’s confirmation bias. For there to be a good invincible, they need to both A: rebel against their father and B: survive him. The criteria for making it through both bottlenecks is incredibly difficult.
I think Mark is so powerful and being evil is so much easier than doing the right thing because being evil is way less complex than doing the right thing even in difficult circumstances because your only concern is your self interest. So he’s probably just more likely to come across Marks that have taken the path of way less responsibility.
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u/Hellern_ Banished to Hell May 15 '26
He couldn't possibly see everything in infinite dimensions, otherwise he wouldn't have needed the mind merge with his multiple alter-egos. It only means in most dimensions he personally been, or heard about from his alter-egos (and later saw from their memories) Mark was evil. The question is only if he meant it like that or not and was just guessing.