r/MandelaEffect • u/_Beatnick_ • Sep 28 '25
Potential Solution I think the 1978-2003 logo could be a reason many people remember a cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo.
Notice how the leaves were brown in the 1978-2003 logo. Looking at it, I don't think it looks like a cornucopia, but it might be enough to trick a memory into thinking it was a cornucopia.
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u/digitalsong Sep 28 '25
You solved this Mandela effect effect for me at least personally . I would swear that the logo changed around that time I didn’t know for sure it had a cornucopia but I know it had some brown in it . The logo changed and the mix up especially being a kid around that time confused me.
You will get downvoted though , people swear on the cornucopia but for me this mystery is over
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u/Criosoak Sep 29 '25
For me I don’t really care that much about it but I remember the brown leaves just like that and the cornucopia still around them. I’ve always know about the leaves and never confused the two.
Personally I think the original mandela images of people showing what they thought it looked like is what made me imagine it.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 29 '25
There's probably a lot of different reasons people remember the cornucopia. I know the internet makes it harder to believe the cornucopia was not there. There are fake images out there, and people have drawn pictures saying that that's what they remember. It Is very likely that some people have seen those images, and it made them believe they saw that logo 25 years ago or whenever.
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u/Skellos Sep 29 '25
The fruit of the loom logo also resembles a traditional horn of plenty image. Which is likely were some of the confusion comes from
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
I'm finding that most people who believe a Mandela Effect don't want to hear reasons why they might misremembet something. They only want to hear that they are right.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 28 '25
The human brain is one of the most fascinating things in we know of, the way it fills in gaps, dreams, imagination, creativity, its fallibility.
But ME “believers” would rather point to jumping timelines rather than critically look at the fascinating machinations of the human brain …
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 28 '25
the fascinating machinations of the human brain
Right? As soon as they call the idea of it being memory "boring" or "too easy" I know they are just looking for validation, not explanation. The way the mind/memory works is anything but boring or easy. If so, there wouldn't be scientists studying it and regularly learning new and surprising things.
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Dec 05 '25
I think the Mandela effect, specifically, feeds into the “us vs them” mentality, and makes people feel more connected to each other, as they’re up against a cabal of evils trying to manipulate their totally infallible minds.
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u/Pika-thulu Oct 01 '25
Totally agree. There was a bunch of studies on how personal recollection was grossly inaccurate way to persecution in a court of law. More often than not people would forget very important details in their memories even when they were instructed on remembering everything that was happening. And they would be very confidently incorrect.
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u/lTSONLYAGAME Sep 30 '25
I tell my brother this all the time. But it takes the fun out of it for him……
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u/Johnny_Radar Sep 29 '25
Mandela Effect believers: “it can’t be ME that’s wrong, it’s the universe that’s wrong”.
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u/DoctorHelios Sep 29 '25
I’m so glad this general consensus has taken over this sub and I have to spend less time debating reality with narcissists.
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u/guitpick Mar 05 '26
It's more fun when it's a universe of wrong people. After looking over the logos and assuming they're being truthful, I can see why I substituted that brown thing. To be honest most of us only ever regularly saw the logo on a tiny tag or an SD-quality television, where we were far more distracted by the grown men dressing up as fruit. If I saw that brown leaf thing, my brain doesn't say, "Oh, this is obviously a dead leaf which makes perfect sense in this context."
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u/Persistent_Parkie Sep 28 '25
I'm here trying to suss out my own Mandelas and because watching glitches in people's memories is fascinating to me. Thank you for this post, fruit of the loom was one of mine I didn't have a satisfying explanation for and now I do. The only one that's left for me now is tinker bell in the disney logo.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
If you are talking about The Wonderful World of Disney, Tinkerbell was definitely in the intro and splashed pixie dust on the screen. I think some people believe she dotted the i in Disney, I don't think she did that, I think people are confusing her splashing the pixie dust around with dotting the i.
This is one of the intros from the 70s, which would have been when I was watching it, but the intro did change over the years.
https://youtu.be/hIcHomag6vU?si=vytxf4qBQIuZcTp9
The one that gets me is Dolly in Moonraker, I remember her wearing braces and laughing when she smiled at Jaws because he had metal teeth and she had braces, but the actress has stated that she did not wear braces, so I must be mistaken.
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u/Persistent_Parkie Sep 28 '25
My problem has been having trouble researching it because a lot of people have created videos of what they remember, so thank you for that. I now have no Mandela effects that confound me! Best poster ever, take a poor woman's gold - 🥇
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u/Firekey56 Sep 29 '25
I recall my mom telling me something or we had something once as a kid, but she swears she doesn't remember it at all...and I remember it as a kid so well.
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u/Jenergy11 Jan 20 '26
It's never about being right for many people. It's about their inner knowing and their intuition, and manypeople have honed that, it's the way to view your entire existence, from that place. It's how to navigate the 3D in your human Avatar because everything in this realm is curated and manipulated, sadly. Listen within.
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u/Jenergy11 Jan 20 '26
The brain hates ambiguity and will often take the first explanation that shows up😏 It's okay to stick by what you know and be careful not to let yourself be Gaslit by something that "appears" feasible. That's a tactic that those who run the world have been using on the masses for a long time.. To cause them to doubt themselves
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u/ryancementhead Sep 29 '25
Is there any chance we were exposed to a knock off brand that was only at the discount stores? That’s why so many remember a cornucopia. Our moms didn’t want to spend money on something we would grow out of in 6 months.
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Sep 29 '25
No, someone would still have some of those clothes
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u/ryancementhead Sep 29 '25
Doubt it, my mom bought me clothes from the discount store and they never lasted when I was a kid.
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Sep 29 '25
If they were common enough to influence so many people's memories then at least something would have turned up by now
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
Exactly. "They were cheap and didn't survive" is such a convenient excuse. But doesn't really when the item in question apparently existed across decades, was sold globally, by major retailers, and was common enough that people swear it was the real thing because they never saw the items without one, and had to have been high enough quality people didn't suspect they were fake until the very moment they learned FotL doesn't have a cornucopia and yet nothing survived in any form.
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u/terryjuicelawson Oct 01 '25
It is interesting as when people are showed a mocked up version of the logo plus cornucopia they can say "that is it! I remember this exact one!". Except that doesn't work, as when they were kids the logo was different anyway. I think it is that other than just looking like a cornucopia in it being fruit and leaves, the latest logo is clearer so it stands out more.
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u/WhimsicalKoala Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 02 '25
And, I bet if you showed them pretty much any image with the cornucopia, not just the most commonly used one, they'd largely say "that's it!". They aren't remembering a specific logo, just the idea they have of it and their brain will happily use any image that sort of matches that to fill in the blank.
Similarly I bet if you showed a bunch of people three similar logos, all with the cornucopia, and asked them to pick the right one, they would all be picked rather than a single one definitively standing out.
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u/nelsonwehaveaproblem Oct 01 '25
ITT: "I specifically remember this one very specific conversation I had with my mother 40 years ago when I was a small child."
Fuuuck offfff no you don't 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/FlyingAce1015 Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
The thing is..
Everyone remembers this part too
And i think I know why..
For decades the governments have done memory implantation experiments i remember I was in it we would be hypnotized and also there was this weird thick pink drink we had to drink..
But i also remember being shown images of the fruit of the loom logo With a cornocupia and being told how I know what it was by i remember 'doing laundry with my mom and the tag and asking her what it is and thats how I know what a cornucopia is"
Those with the fruit of the loom logo memory ALL.. have this exact...same...screen..memory..
They need to look into the gate program and mk ultra because I was in this shit and remember a bit more than most have.
They even made us color in pictures of the fake logo. also tested us with zener cards etc. And weird hearing tests.
Other "screen memories" used were things like having a memory of having a hot air balloon rides at school with it tied to the ground and only going up maybe 10-20ft etc. When really young.
They also did a lot of remote viewing experiments to see if that stuff was real/or something?
They would also make us listen to the gateway tapes.
This was in school in elementary and preschool. Ages.
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u/mbd34 Sep 29 '25
I can see how a kid could mistake the brown surrounding the fruit in the small image for something like a basket and then ask their parents what it is, and they might reply that it's a cornucopia without giving too much thought. Maybe that's the origin for some of the childhood memories about how they found out about cornucopias.
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u/Jenergy11 Jan 20 '26
Yes there are often many people who had conversations with adults asking what that "pointy thing" was. So that's why they remember.
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u/Fortor Sep 29 '25
I’ve said it before , but it’s because a lot of us viewed the logo upside down on our underwear tag while on the toilet. The leaf looks like the cornucopia to the right. Combine that with the fact many kids in the US learned about Thanksgiving and the cornucopia in school, it’s easy to assume that’s what it was. This explains it completely for me personally
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u/tigerdogbearcat Oct 17 '25
Yes exactly that. It was a picture printed on a fabric square the size of a postage stamp. The leaves don't read as leaves and cornucopia would make a hell of a lot more sense than leaves to be honest
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u/ReverseCowboyKiller Sep 28 '25
I don’t think anyone looked at that logo and mistakenly thought the leaves were a cornucopia. However, when recalling the logo, we might have a vague memory of something brown surrounding the fruit, which our brains fill in with the cornucopia, something we probably became aware of around the same time we started noticing the brands of our underwear. Especially when others suggest there was a cornucopia, it makes it easier for our electric meat brains to fill that in and make it seem like a vivid memory.
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u/Correct_Opposite4055 Sep 30 '25
No, there was, in fact, a cornucopia
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u/ReverseCowboyKiller Sep 30 '25
Facts can be tested and repeated, so no, that is not a fact.
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u/sarahkpa Sep 30 '25
Where is the proof of this "fact" other than in people's (unreliable) memory?
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u/fablechaser130 Sep 30 '25
Don't worry other people remember it. That's one of the interesting things about this phenomenon, there's not going to be blanket understanding. It's important for us as individuals to really look deep and if you had a memory, hold it there. Just because it was answered for someone else doesn't mean that answer has to work for you.
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Oct 27 '25
There was 100% a cornucopia
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPl10c1gAMK/?igsh=MWJ4aTJqMGh6bDkzeQ==
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u/throwaway998i Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
we might have a vague memory of something brown surrounding the fruit, which our brains fill in with the cornucopia
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There's no psychology precedent for anything like what you're describing to happen identically en masse with zero variance. Why does no one's brain "fill in" the brown with a standard wicker basket? Plenty of people remembered the cornucopia before they even heard any suggestions from "others". Calling it an "electric meat brain" doesn't explain anything, nor does it advance any point. Because it's organic it can't be trusted? And yet it enabled you to compose your comment using language and syntax with no issues at all, right? Not bad for a wet brain. In the words of Terence McKenna:
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"The human neocortex is the most densely ramified and complexified structure in the known universe."
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u/Entire-Following-403 Oct 01 '25
No. Remember the commercials, but I had corns in my looms until like 2011. Time is elastic these days.
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u/WakeUpMrFr33man Sep 30 '25
It’s def that the logo was upside down and the brown leaves had the shape of a cornucopia. This + hunger games using that word made us look it up
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u/idanrecyla Sep 28 '25
I grew up in the 70's, the boys in my family wore that brand underwear, the girls didn't, so I never did, but from the tones I saw a label when my mother did the laundry, I don't recall the cornucopia at all. I've got a stellar memory, but other's recalling one so vividly is something I obviously cannot dispute. I only remember fruit and then the commercials with men dressed like fruit
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u/zsatsi Sep 29 '25
Now please can one of these cornucopia lovers show me their definitive proof or do they just throw out all their clothing as soon as whatever fast fashion brand brings out a new cycle? Cos then I'll definitely believe that heartwarming story about how your dad taught you what a cornucopia was by randomly pointing at the label of your underwear.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 29 '25
And there you go. Looking at that on a small tag or in a poor quality picture or video, I could see someone thinking the brown is a cornucopia. And other people have mentioned in these comments that people have posted faded tags and grainy videos from old commercials of that very logo as proof that the cornucopia did exist.
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u/zsatsi Sep 29 '25
I know! I also have a picture of a post 2003 hoodie where the logo is just the Fruit of the Loom without the fruit, and the writing is just sans serif and I feel if I asked my siblings or I went back home to my mum's I could dig up something else up too. I took that pic in shitty lighting over my hamper too cos I was just mad lmao, I can take a better pic too. Like I understand the ME and I have had it but people just being like NO I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL idek where else I would have seen a cornucopia!!!! is wild to me. Like Thanksgiving???? If you were alive to have worn fotl pants in the 90s you were alive to have watched Xena and Hercules.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 29 '25
I remember seeing pictures of cornucopia in elementary school and around Thanksgiving. I honestly can't remember when I first saw one, but it dang sure wasn't on my underwear.
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u/zsatsi Sep 29 '25
Also just found vintage 90s FotL briefs on Etsy and guess what, no cornucopia (but a decent amount of ick factor on my part)
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u/Ridgewoodgal Sep 29 '25
This is it! I definitely see it and most likely why we all just assumed it was a cornucopia. It has the right color and the fruit looks like it is pouring out of it. Great work!
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u/JakartaYangon Sep 30 '25
No. They are just conflating it with a logo for raisins that was common in the same era.
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u/KyleDutcher Sep 28 '25
I have seen prople.post that logo with the brown leaves, as "proof" of a cornucopia.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
Let me guess, they say it's an altered image, and the cornucopia was edited out, and that's a little bit of it that was left there.
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u/Chapstickie Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Nah, I’ve seen people post that whole ass regular brown leaf logo usually a little faded and say it has the cornucopia. I mostly agree that most people are just thinking back and the brown translates to cornucopia in their memory and they fill in the details but I’ve also seen people be like “see! It has a cornucopia!” And just post a photo of the brown leaf logo.
Edit: here’s an example. https://imgur.com/a/5cseq11
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
I did think that, too. Maybe in a poor quality video or really small like on a tag, it might be mistaken for a cornucopia. The full quality image, definitely not.
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u/Rand_alThoor Sep 29 '25
LOOK at the grapes (on the left) in the 1893 logo. those look like pre phylloxera grapes! and the deep bloom on the dark grapes (obviously Belgian hothouse grapes) on the right.
and the whitecurrants in front. in the more modern logos those just look like smaller grapes.
i know I'm old (born 1941) but i really like the look of the oldest logo there!
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 29 '25
This comment is more interesting than whether there was a cornucopia or not.
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
I love this comment! Without you pointing it out I never would have noticed the little front ones weren't just tiny grapes* and I appreciate you mentioning pre-phylloxera grapes because it gave me a little 'Today I Learned' moment of the day.
*this kind of thing is also why I doubt people that swear they remember every detail of the logo from their childhood. How many times have I looked at that logo in this sub alone and never realized that they weren't grapes?
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u/MrFuriousX Sep 28 '25
honestly ...I think someone said it...put it into peoples brains and boom ME...I simple cannot believe people used to talk to themselves about "Wow my underwear has a nifty logo and what a lovely cornucopia " and then one day they just realized it wasn't there. I feel like most Mandela effects are simply suggested into memory and its very easy to build on because most people that think the ME 's have the same "data base" of information to create false memories.
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u/eyesotope86 Sep 29 '25
See, this is the biggest ME I have, not because I saw the label that often (I wore Hanes) but because in my elementary school, our teacher explained what a cornucopia was- a symbolic horn full of the best of the harvest like what you see on the Fruit of the Loom label, because they are the 'best of the harvest'
If it was JUST the label, I'd chalk it up to not seeing it correctly, but lots of people remember learning what a cornucopia is because of comparisons like this.
It's kinda hard to dismiss a huge number of people gaining knowledge from the exact same misremembered label. There has to be a reasonable explanation for the sheer number of people who learned something as unique as 'what a cornucopia is' from the same source if that source isn't real.
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u/MrFuriousX Sep 29 '25
this could be a perfect example of how Mistakes cause memories... the teacher misremembered and made a mistake..
it has nothing to do with harvesting anything. its a play on worlds "Fruit of the Womb" They were trying to say the fruit was high quality clothing created on the their loom.
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Sep 29 '25
The reasonable explanation: mistakes.
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u/eyesotope86 Sep 29 '25
That's an unsatisfactory answer for a mass phenomenon... which I know is part of the ME 'thing'
But sincerely, there's a huge number of people who did not initiate the 'What is this?' for the FOTL label, but had it attached to a memetic event as significant as learning the definition of a niche word that's not used in conversation. Making it even more bizarre, is that apparently, not only did many people -like myself- have this whole conversation in a classroom, where the teacher illustrated the definition of a cornucopia by bringing up the FOTL label, but no one in the class ever doubted the existence of the cornucopia, and instead had that connection cause it to click. I had a passing familiarity with the label, but that connection locked in not only what a cornucopia was, but what it (would) represent in the FOTL label; it's the best of the harvest [of the loom]
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u/MrFuriousX Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Its perfectly satisfactory... we all make mistakes.
The biggest issue is FOTL has NOTHING to do with harvesting.... Loom is where they create fabric. a cornucopia doesn't even make sense....
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Sep 29 '25
It isn’t a mass phenomenon. Memory is individual. It is a similar mistake based on similarly ambiguous stimuli. Sorry it isn’t “satisfying” but it is the truth.
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u/eyesotope86 Sep 29 '25
You're literally on a subreddit about a specific enough mass phenomenon, that it has a name.
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Sep 29 '25
That’s how people characterize it, but there is no such thing as a mass memory. Memories are individual. You can describe a memory, you can have similar experiences as another person, but there is no shared memory. That’s all. You are literally in a universe governed by predictable laws.
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
Yep. I am firmly of the opinion that people don't come upon the various Mandela Effect examples as naively as they believe they did. There is pretty much always an element of suggestion or even a conversation they had years ago and forgot about.
People think all the similar memories are proof, but I find them suspect are far more likely to be evidence of suggestion/common root than proof they are vivid anchor memories.
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Oct 13 '25
I’m firmly in this camp like an episode of the Simpsons or Family guy planting it in our heads and poof we’re thinking it’s always been like that in the movie.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
I've said that before. I think a lot of people hear stuff, and they start remembering it that way. I did it with "Luke, I am your father." I heard it misquoted so many times that I believed that was the line even though I saw the movie 13 times in the theater and knew the lines word for word when I was a kid. After I started hearing about the Mandela Effect, I started thinking about going to the theater when I was young, and I definitely remember him saying, "No... I am your father." It's always been that.
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u/Apprehensive_Spite97 Sep 29 '25
I personally mentioned before that there was no brown in it. I aquired my FOTL in 1998. as I didn´t know what a cornucopia was I would have easily explained it by the brown
the past years after the ME was discovered there has never been a single leaf in any of the logos. it´s been pure colors with fruit only. no green leaves either
for me it´s changed again, with 100% certainty
so please don´t tell me I remember wrong, cause I´ve noticed and remembered down to the tiniest details the FOTL logo that´s been posted a hundred times, without the cornucopia. there was no leaves on it at all
anyone else remember this?
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u/MrFuriousX Sep 29 '25
I am not even speaking about leaves at all? All I am saying is prior to ME people were not running around thinking about the logo in their underwear...most people likely remember FOTL from the commercials and that I can see them discussing. But i am doubting people had some inner dialogue about their underwear logo prior to ME
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u/Apprehensive_Spite97 Sep 29 '25
I know you weren´t speaking about leaves. am I not allowed to mention my own experience, and perhaps digress a little?
I´m not ´most people´ we didn´t have commercials (it was forbidden to have commercials on TV, and there were no commercials in magazines where and when I grew up)
also, FOTL became very popular for their SWEATERS where I live. there was NO UNDERWEAR, no T-shirts. in the most popular shop in town they sold sweaters in five different colors
we had money to but ONE each, and it was always a question which color to choose and trust me as the sweaters were very popular and the logo was new and cool we scrutinised it
I thought it was super cute, unique, a symbol of being part of the group that had those sweaters and we saw the logo every day for a year or two
there seems to be a lot of kids on this sub, that don´t know everybody grew up in the 2010s or in other parts of the world with different cultures
this is what gets me tired of this sub, it´s the same over and over not thinking longer than your own nose
and if you think everything which is written in an answer on this sub, then you must also think it´s all about you. and when you have that approach in life it´s very difficult to relate to others and perhaps respect that they have their own opinions and experiences in life
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u/MrFuriousX Sep 29 '25
You can speak your mind just fine as I do mine . You replied to me. There isn't always going to be a one size fits all answer for everything for sure.
of course reading your reply sounds like what you describe in others you do yourself.3
u/VegasVictor2019 Sep 29 '25
It’s wild to me that someone who says they are certain they cannot be wrong on this turns around and tells others that they aren’t thinking longer than their own nose.
It feels very much like what you’re really saying is “Keep an open mind as long as you agree I’m right!”
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u/kennman5000 Sep 28 '25
Your picture forgot the one with the fruit coming out of a cornacopia.
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u/ReverseCowboyKiller Sep 28 '25
Whats funny is you can go on eBay, in antique stores, thrift stores, and estate sales and find examples of every single logo on that list. Same with old magazines and newspaper sale ads, and it shows the logos match up with those dates. There are no sales ads, catalogs, or any other collateral, including authentic clothing with the cornucopia on the tags.
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u/ipostunderthisname Sep 28 '25
That’s because you’re on the wrong timeline brother. You should come join us all over here on the correct timeline
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u/SvenBubbleman Sep 29 '25
It's gotten to the point where I can't tell if people are joking about the timeline nonsense anymore.
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u/newgrounds Sep 29 '25
That's why it is the Mandela Effect. By virtue of the effect, there wouldn't be counterexamples.
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u/ashibashiboo Sep 29 '25
What about bootleg fruit of the loom? Any one consider there was a fake with a similar logo?
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
Any one consider
People "consider" that all the time and it isn't possible. It's not as much a stretch as the parascience theories, but does fall apart just as quickly to any sort of scrutiny. It maybe even falls apart more because people can't handwave it away with "someday science will catch up to me"
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u/ashibashiboo Sep 29 '25
How is it not possible?
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
Because for this theory to be plausible at all it requires these fakes to have been:
- created for 30+ years
- people generally "remember" seeing the cornucopia from the 80s-early 2000s, with outliers into the 60s to semi-recently
- sold in international markets
- most people making this claim are in the US, but claims of seeing the cornucopia also come from the UK, Germany, France, and other countries
- Sold in mass retailers
- the claims people have of wearing all knock-off clothes are implausible, and commonly people will use the fact that the clothes were bought at main stream stores as "proof" that their memory is real
- interestingly, the store I feel like most often mentioned is K-Mart, which I find both interesting and suspicious, but that is a whole other discussion
- of high enough quality that, at the time, people were convinced it was the real think and not an even more inexpensive knock-off
- people love to use the convenient "they were cheap, so they were all destroyed". But weirdly their memories don't seem to involve the products being of suspiciously low quality. Another other low quality items have survived otherwise there wouldn't be a market for vintage fast fashion
And yet, despite all of that ubiquity across large spatial and temporal scales, nobody has ever been able to provide any physical evidence of one existing. And, if the counterfeit items were that prevalent, there absolutely would have been cease and desist orders issued against the company, and there is no evidence of that.
Now, I can see you wanting to ask "but what if it wasn't just one company"....but then that theory requires there to be multiple companies producing counterfeit items with the exact same logo (because remember, people like to claim there is only one single logo they remember), passing them off as real to these major retailers, across multiple decades and countries.
I'm not saying it's absolutely impossible for there to have been some small company selling counterfeit FotL items at some point and that somehow it had the exact same logo people claim to remember (even though the version that people swear is the real one is a recent creation by Buzzfeed specifically to illustrate the Mandela Effect) that somehow reached a very small audience; though I would place the chances of that happening at approximately .00000000000000001%. But it absolutely isn't possible for some mass counterfeit operation to be the explanation for why people believe the FotL logo had a cornucopia.
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u/jonnyvegashey Sep 30 '25
When we you try and make a t-shirt brand or any competing brand, remember the big boys have been in this shit since the 1800s lol.
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u/tecpaocelotl1 Oct 01 '25
I remember in the 80s, there was a cornucopia with fruit in a billboard, but it wasn't Hanes. I just don't remember what it was, but I think that may be part of the confusion as well.
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u/Inevitable_Channel18 Sep 29 '25
I think it’s this combined with people seeing other cornucopia pictures and conflating those images with the logo.
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u/cosmic_scott Sep 29 '25
what other cornucopia images?
fruit if the loom underwear is where i learned what one us!
i don't think I've ever seen it used in pop culture except FoL..
if there are other examples of popular imagery using one, please provide it.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 29 '25
fruit if the loom underwear is where i learned what one us!
How exactly did this take place?
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u/Inevitable_Channel18 Sep 29 '25
You only learn of things in pop culture? Cornucopias have been around for thousands of years. Listen, I know you think the logo had a cornucopia but it never did. That’s why it’s a Mandela Effect. You’re just misremembering.
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u/SvenBubbleman Sep 29 '25
fruit if the loom underwear is where i learned what one us!
That can't be true, because the logo doesn't have a cornucopia.
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u/Inevitable_Channel18 Sep 29 '25
Except you never saw it with the Fruit of the Loom logo
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u/dadjokes502 Sep 30 '25
Only thing I truly remember about fruit of a loom was the commercials with people dressed as fruit. Sometimes singing a song.
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u/Sweet-Awk-7861 Sep 28 '25
Hey, use the search button on this sub. Lotsa megathreads on FotL already.
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u/Betzjitomir Sep 29 '25
I've had other people say that but I'm a 64-year-old female and I really do remember a cornucopia. My mom actually had a fake cornucopia with fruit which was also fake as a decoration. I remember wondering why my mom's decoration was on my dad's underwear. It was before the 70s.
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u/Firekey56 Sep 29 '25
I constantly remember Chick fil a being Chic fil a for so long. My theory for mandela effects, we're all in the multiple timeline and when certain timelines cross, something from one crosses into the other when they split, and that small change is noticed by a few people who were in the timeline where it wasn't that. So say people from timeline A remember stuff that was different in timeline B, and when A and B crossed, the B stuff appeared, and so timeline A people are confused while the others who aren't are the timeline B version. Insane probably, but it's my only thought
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
That's "the thought" of a lot of people, but it doesn't make any sense. I mean first of all, the idea of multiple nearly identical timelines running next to each other is parascience, not supported by current research and is basically drawn from sci-fi movies.
Secondly if there are all these timelines, why are the changes always the same changes, small, and often with easily explained reasons for the false memory. How in the world are all these timelines crossing in and out of each other constantly and the only change is an item being removed from the logo, an children's book title changing, etc. Why aren't we crossing with timelines where eggplant and tomatoes still have enough solanine to make them toxic, or where the Romanovs managed to escape before being killed, or where gummi bears are actually gummi squirrels? It's always the same handful of changes.
And furthermore, even though they are technically small changes, they would potentially have large impacts. The cornucopia in the logo would absolutely affect advertising. The existence of the movie Shazam would have had an effect on Sinbad's career, Pikachu having a black tip on his tail would have affected the other evolutions. None of these things exist in a vacuum.
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u/ADVANTAGE_CONNORS Sep 30 '25
No-100% the fruit were coming out of/were in front of a cornucopia.
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Oct 26 '25
Yeah… idk im not gonna jump on this bandwagon. THIS is not what I remember. You cant just throw brown in there and be like “thats the cornucopia” 😭🙏🏻
But i DO remember this logo, i remember seeing this logo and feeling like they were moving AWAY from the cornucopia to a few brown leaves, and then years later there was just fruit and then the mandela effect came into reality and thats when i learned there never was a cornucopia at all. Its actually kind if weird to think that people are considering this the original version, when in my mind and reality, it was in the inbetween version.
Edit just to add that last sentence.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
Looking at the different logos in the picture, the first logo had a brown leaf, too, that could be remembered as a cornucopia.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 28 '25
Great example of how ME “believers” can let their minds fill in the blanks about something they didn’t play such close attention to.
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u/ipostunderthisname Sep 28 '25
“But I used to wear exclusively only that underwear’s because my grandfather faught in the underwear’s wars to preserve the old way of life and I would sit there every day and just stare at that lil underwears tag and think vividly to myself “wow, cornucopias are so cool and I’m so glad I have these lil underwears tags so I can grow up knowing what one is!”
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u/throwaway998i Sep 28 '25
Cornucopias are conical. Leaves are not. There's just no resemblance there whatsoever... because shapes are a thing. I continue to be amazed that anyone would attempt to make this argument unironically based on color alone. No one ever looked at a pile of raked leaves and thought, "Gee, where did all those cornucopias come from?"
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 28 '25
I'm not saying people looked at that logo and thought it was a cornucopia. I'm saying if some people are talking and someone says that they remember a cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo, a person might try to remember the logo in their head and they remember the fruit and that there was something brown behind the logo, they might say, "Oh yeah, I remember the cornucopia, too." The mind is funny like that, especially when someone puts the suggestion there beforehand.
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u/silverfoxcwb Sep 28 '25
My take on this is that it is useless to try to find examples if the whole point of a Mandela effect is that we’ve somehow jumped timelines to a different one. There wouldn’t be tangible examples, only enough of us who collectively remember things the same way. Searching for proof of a ME seems to me to be a waste, rather than compiling enough people who independently have the same memory. But even then, what could be done about it? Sure we all remember the cornucopia vividly, but if we’ve abandoned that timeline, then that thing literally doesn’t exist as we do. Whether or not it ever did will remain a mystery in our memories.
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u/Chapstickie Sep 28 '25
The whole point of the Mandela effect ISN’T that we’ve jumped timelines. The point is that there are some things that many people remember that are not true. The reasoning for them not being true is up for debate.
Also I absolutely do not remember the cornucopia “vividly”. That logo was always a pile of fruit.
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u/SvenBubbleman Sep 29 '25
The whole point of the ME is that it's interesting that many people share a common false memory. No one jumped timelines. It's frightening that people are more willing to believe is some supernatural mumbo jumbo than admit they made a mistake.
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u/silverfoxcwb Sep 29 '25
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Everything I said was just speculative thought exercise.
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u/Manticore416 Sep 28 '25
In order for reasonable folks to accept the "jumped timelines" theory, it'd be helpful if there was evidence to support any of the science necessary for it to happen. There is none.
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u/Mudamaza Sep 28 '25
Nor can there ever be evidence of it, even if it was real. You'd need to be able to jump into the old timeline, gather evidence and bring it back to prove that timelines are real.
It's like the many world interpretation of quantum mechanics, there's good reasons to think that the multiverse is real, but there's 0 way to prove it.
So for all we know, timeline shifting could be real, there's just no way to ever prove it and therefore, we will never know.
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u/Manticore416 Sep 28 '25
Evidence of other timelines or the mechanics of them switching coukd certainly have evidence if it were real, but there's no such evidence.
Literally every part of the changing timelines theory requires make believe and imagination.
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u/Mudamaza Sep 28 '25
What would that evidence even look like? I don't think you really understand how strict the scientific method is.
To prove that other timelines are real, you'd have to invent a method in which you could jump into another timeline to confirm it's real. Science isn't the end all be all of reality, it has its limits and we have to accept that there are things that are just unknowable.
Literally every part of the changing timelines theory requires make believe and imagination.
Imagination is literally how Einstein came up with general relativity. Any great scientific discoveries required initial imagination. Likewise, it's going to take a lot of imagination to solve things like quantum mechanics.
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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 Sep 28 '25
Experimental physics tests that get out the fundamental structure and framework of existence. Of course if this were happening evidence could be found that’s far more compelling than “hey I remember it having a cornucopia.” Obviously there’s a lot we don’t know about the universe but your assumption that no evidence would exist is odd and not really based on anything.
It’s not imagination, it’s testing, challenging and refining hypothesis getting towards fleshed out theories. Creativity is involved for thinking through explanations to observations but those explanations need tests, data and experiments to mean much of anything scientifically.
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u/Mudamaza Sep 28 '25
Experimental physics tests that get out the fundamental structure and framework of existence.
Yes we have that, it's called quantum physics. And like I said, quantum physics gave birth to numerous hypotheses that are effectively unprovable.
How do you think a hypothesis is formed? Does it just appear, or does someone have to use their imagination to formulate a hypothesis to which they then can experiment to confirm their hypothesis?
Let me give you other examples of other valid hypotheses that just cannot be proven:
- Boltzmann Brains
In an infinitely long-lived universe, random quantum fluctuations could eventually assemble self-aware “brains” with false memories. Physics allows the possibility, but proving whether they exist (and whether we are one) is not testable.
- Simulation Hypothesis
The idea that our universe could be a computer simulation. Physics inside the simulation may give no way to distinguish it from a “base” reality, meaning it’s unprovable from within.
- The Nature of Dark Matter
We know dark matter exists through gravitational effects, but some hypotheses (like primordial black holes or ultra-light axions) might be inherently undetectable by us if they interact only gravitationally. If so, we’d never be able to prove what it “really” is.
- Inside Black Holes
General relativity predicts a singularity inside black holes where density is infinite. Quantum gravity might smooth this out, but we can never directly see inside an event horizon. Any theory about what happens “at the core” can’t be proven with observation.
- Consciousness as Fundamental
Some interpretations of physics (panpsychism, integrated information theory) suggest consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe. While intriguing, there may be no empirical way to prove or disprove this scientifically.
- Quantum Gravity Theories
String theory and loop quantum gravity try to unify gravity and quantum mechanics. But many of their predictions occur at scales far beyond any conceivable experiment. They might remain forever untestable.
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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 Sep 28 '25
But being untestable, unprovable in current state does not mean it’s flat out impossible to have any evidence to show if these explanations have any support. Also, on what basis are you saying that jumping timelines is untestable? What you have here is a massive jumble of different ideas that don’t in anyway support yours and you’re just assuming this thing you believe is impossible to prove so that you can dismiss the fact that it has no real support.
Certainly it’s entirely irrational to be certain that we’re just moving timelines when all we have is memories of meaningless inconsequential things. It’s a silly idea that sure in the grand scheme of things is possible but it’s so far fetched and unsupported that it really isn’t worth taking seriously.
Heck we don’t even need actual tests, think of the holes inherent in the idea. We move between timelines constantly and yet the only things that change are corporate logos, lines in movies, leaders of countries that have no effect on the person’s individual life…why would that make sense exactly?
ME is entirely consistent with memory/perception errors. We have endless studies on the unreliable nature of memory/observation. And the science fiction explanations do not survive the least amount of actual objective scrutiny.
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u/Mudamaza Sep 28 '25
Two things that can't be proven, multiverse theory and Consciousness as fundamental. If those two are real, then all bets are off.
I'm personally not convinced by memory being the culprit. It's true at an individual level that memory can be faulty. There's no convincing evidence that the same applies to collective memory when it comes to misremembering the same exact detail.
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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 Sep 28 '25
They can’t be proven now, it’s arbitrary to say they can’t be proven ever.
Even the exact detail part is easy to think about once we get to social contagion and the effects of these posts or people just discussing it with others. You start off with multiple people have a similar baseline memory/observation error (perfectly understandable) and then they see this image someone made or read someone’s recollection and say “yes my memory is exactly that.” Do we know the precise details of their memory before this interaction? No. Could this individual’s memory be impacted by the interaction? Yes, absolutely possible.
Then some things like this Fruit of the Loom nonsense, well how the heck else would you draw a cornucopia that’s consistent with the animation of the fruit? I regularly see disagreements on did it go to the left or the right (so not totally exact same memory error) but like yeah…that’s what a cornucopia looks like.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 28 '25
Mandela effect is that we’ve somehow jumped timelines to a different one.
No it isn’t, it’s just a group of people misremembering the same thing.
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u/Ad_Delirium Oct 03 '25
I first remarked on the logo in 1976. I was 6. My underwear were getting a little old, and the fruit had lost its fresh look, and I showed it to my family and said "I got rotten apples in my 'cornacopia!!!'" And of course they cracked up. I had just learned the term the previous Thanksgiving, and was pleased that I (sort of) remembered it 'now' when I saw it on my underwear label holding my "rotten apples"
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u/geeksnjocks Oct 13 '25
I remember the cornucopia because I asked my mom what that was I am 36 at that time I was probably 9 that is the reason I know what it is so there is something wrong here. My best guess is that there was a fake brand or knockoff. we were poor at the time, I am guessing we were buying knockoff brands. that is the only explanation I can come up with
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u/_Beatnick_ Oct 13 '25
A knockoff brand is possible, or even people saw a logo for another product altogether and confusing it with Fruit of the Loom 20+ years later. One thing I find interesting is that so many people have different variations on when the cornucopia was there. I've heard just in this thread 1970s to somewhere in the 2010s.
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u/vamexlife Oct 20 '25
Im one od those who specifically asked my sister who made fun of me doe not knowing what a cornucopia was. So IDK ANYMORE!?!?!
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u/todayimthankful Oct 24 '25
That was the time period I had thought there was a cornucopia, so maybe. So weird though how I was so sure there was one in the logo
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u/MorgeeePooh Oct 27 '25 edited Oct 27 '25
When I was a kid at Walmart I saw the cornucopia on the fruit of the loom logo but I didn't know what it was and I wanted to ask my parents but I couldn't think of the word but anyway I saw the cornucopia at Walmart when I was a child
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u/Worried_Explorer5287 Nov 05 '25
I have a question, why did seemingly so many kids care what the cornucopia on their underwear is called? I remember learning about the cornucopia because I saw it in a store display and asked my mom what it was, she didn’t know but the guy at the register did. At some point after that I noticed it was missing from my underwear, I asked my mom why it was gone but she told me I was imagining things. This is the only ME I can be sure about. Until I can be shown another logo that is exactly the same from another company I will believe!
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u/_Beatnick_ Nov 06 '25
Seems like a lot of people say they asked when they saw a store display. I believe a lot people saw store displays in general in the fall that they thought were Fruit of the Loom displays but they were just fall displays with cornucopias not related to Fruit of the Loom.
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u/DifferenceUseful Jan 15 '26
Yeah it never had a cornucopia. People just hear things and If they are into conspiracies they will believe these Mandela things. I'm into some conspiracies myself but when it comes to Mandela effect stuff I've found that it's always small things people don't notice or things from their childhood and clearly they do not remember
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u/Left_Honeydew7260 Feb 21 '26
Explain this! Sorry to ruin your your world! (End of discussion)
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u/_Beatnick_ Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
There are 4 photos that keep circulating on the internet that are known fakes. That is one of them. Here's the article about those photos on snopes.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fruit-of-the-loom-cornucopias/
I have a feeling with AI, we are going to see a lot more stuff like that with all Mandela Effects. I'm at the point where I will not believe any picture or video I see online.
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u/marisaannn Sep 29 '25
I remember we did a cornucopia arts and crafts project in kindergarten around Thanksgiving. When I saw what we were making, I was like oh, just like the FoTL logo. I will die on this hill.
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u/SvenBubbleman Sep 29 '25
I will die on this hill.
Go ahead and die on it. You're wrong.
Isn't it more likely that you misremembered something from kindergarten?
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u/UnderstandingThis636 Sep 28 '25
Na 2008 rune scape released their first thanksgiving holiday item a cornucopia the first time I had ever heard of one and my only reference to it was fruit of the loom because I thought that was a loom not a whatever a cornucopia was and distinctly remember questioning my parents on it who explained to me what a loom was
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u/Subject_Brilliant535 Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 18 '25
Have you seen the various residue and evidence showing it did exist? There are many for this one! The newspaper article reference, the flute of the loom album art parody, and the animated movie scene to name a few... Also, I have distinct memories of it as well. I think the anecdotes you and many others share, all together are very compelling. I am suspecting this might actually be slightly different than a timeline shift, because if so, these references to it should have disappeared as well. It's like a distinct simulation edit... I actually see this one being symbolic of the horn of plenty being taken away, and the BernSTAIN Bears being a symbolic stain on the timeline. It's so unexplainable I wonder if it is some sort of simulation Psyop joke. There's no reason we would all be hallucinating, a cornucopia of all things behind grapes and an apple, it's not Thanksgiving food. Most of the Mandela effects I think are less compelling because the brain autocorrects spelling without realizing, people misquote things commonly, etc.. but the Cornucopia allegedly not existing at all, is very strange and compelling.
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u/Teufelsweib666 Sep 28 '25
Nope, I saw the actual cornucopia and didn't know what it was (I'm German) back in the 80s. I remember it was there as I called it a shell thingy. If there was nothing, I needn't have bothered to even think of describing it.
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u/thinjester Sep 30 '25
fine, i’ll be that guy. this is a good theory but i remember a specific cornucopia, not brown leaves. and i remember them getting rid of it in the mid 2000s. i learned what a cornucopia was because of the fruit of the loom one specifically.
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u/KyleDutcher Sep 30 '25
Then why does none of the clothing that exists from before 2000, have a cornucopia?
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u/Snoo-60258 Sep 29 '25
There definitely WAS a cornucopia! I remember asking my mother what it was and that I thought it was a dumb basket idea and it became a joke with us so I bought her one! Never in my life have I ever seen a cornucopia on anything or used for anything.
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u/Terrible-Image9368 Sep 29 '25
No I remember seeing the cornucopia on the logo in Walmart. I also remember the commercial with the dudes dressed as fruit and came out of the cornucopia. I will be dying on this hill
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u/Yorokut Sep 29 '25
I don’t care if it’s a conspiracy or whatever at the point. I know what I saw and I’m sure of it. IM NOT CRAZY YOURE CRAZY
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u/Reaper19901 Sep 29 '25
Do you realize how many old ish, branded products there are with the cornucopia?
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 29 '25
Not enough for anyone to ever be able to provide any sort of legitimate evidence it actually existed.
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u/Purple_Language400 Sep 29 '25
No. Fruit of the loom is how I learned the word cornucopia in 1990. I also watched the movie Shazam with Sinbad with my twin brother.
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u/GarageKooky2256 Sep 30 '25
I learned what a cornucopia is by asking about it when I saw it on a fruit of the loom tag
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u/cdorise-2ndAccount Sep 30 '25
Nope. I spent a week with that cornucopia. This solves nothing.
Long story short: Edgy (by 1980’s standards) 8th graders in media class making a giant (this 4 poster boards together) sign of FOTL, used an underclothes logo to be “edgy” and I was in charge of supplies, we went through 2 brown markers, teacher was mad (art supply control freak). I will never believe it was not there. I’m not “misremembering” a WEEK!
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 30 '25
Just because you drew a cornucopia doesn't mean it existed, you could have just decided to draw it off memory rather than any actual reference.
Alternatively, and more likely, the logo in the 80s had large, brown leaves. It would have been easy to go through multiple markers coloring them in too. Especially since in that version the currants are a similar color, so you might have used a similar marker on them too.
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u/Heidi1744 Sep 29 '25
Nope, not even close! That in no way resembles the cornucopia that I remember. Nice try though. LOL
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u/star655 Sep 29 '25
The only thing that always makes me wonder is that Flute of the Loom cd, the cornucopia puns in old newspaper articles about fruit of the Loom...
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 29 '25
I don't remember those, but it's been a long time since I've seen a fruit of the loom ad. Of course, cornucopia is also an abundance of good things, and it is possible they were referring to that. I really don't know for sure.
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u/shellyangelwebb Sep 30 '25
I’m 47 years old and you will never convince me the logo didn’t have a cornucopia. I feel like only people close to my age have this specific Mandela Effect. Honestly, if you’re under 30 you won’t have these Mandela Effects and you’ll be more likely to belittle anyone speaking about them because it is something you simply have no understanding of.
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u/Chapstickie Sep 30 '25 edited Oct 01 '25
I have seen people born in the 2000s claim that the logo had a cornucopia until as late as 2017.
I am a few years younger than you. I do not remember the logo having a cornucopia. I also helped clean out a hoarder relative’s house a couple years ago and they had a ton of clothes in their attic including a bunch of FotL from as early as the 70s. Not a single cornucopia in the bunch.
Slight edit: looking at an older thread about this Mandela effect I would like to change the latest I’ve seen people claim the change happened to 2023.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 30 '25
I'm a 57 year old male, and I'm not going to say I exclusively wore Fruit of the Loom all my life, but I did buy them at least once, probably more, each decade and I do not remember the cornucopia. I mostly remember the Fruit of the Loom tag because it was so colorful, and I remember the commercials, I do not remember a cornucopia ever being in any of the commercials. I get what you are saying. I've fallen for Mandela Effects before, but I have to stop and think about them, and most of them I remember after a bit. Most of them I have been able to come up with logical reasons people believe them too. The only one I really have a hard time believing is the one in Moonraker. When the girl smiled at Jaws, I remember her having braces, and he smiled back, showing his metal teeth. That's what made the scene funny, and I remember laughing. They say she did not have braces, though, and the actress has said that she did not wear braces, so I just have to accept that I remembered it wrong.
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 30 '25
I'm over 30 and have no memory of it. There are claims by both people far older and younger than you that claim the cornucopia existed. And yet, there is absolutely no evidence from anyone in any age range.
What is belittling is dismissing the claims of people younger than you because they "have no understanding of it".
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u/Infamous-Emphasis501 Sep 30 '25
I know there was a cornucopia because that was how I first encountered and learned the word cornucopia...
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u/zsatsi Sep 29 '25
https://youtu.be/v5fH3ebtFtI?feature=shared This is the ad he was in, do you see a cornucopia? I see a bunch of leaves. The character, and on the logo of the packet.
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u/_Beatnick_ Sep 29 '25
The article is wrong. A lot of people believe there was cornucopia there, and it has been mentioned in articles, but there is no picture of the logo ever having a cornucopia. People have edited a cornucopia into the logo, and that makes it harder to accept that it was not there, but it wasn't. If someone can show me their old clothes with the cornucopia, then I'll believe.
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u/GreatGreen314 Sep 30 '25
Not to me. Because I hated this brand of underwear because the logo gave me a rash right above my butt my whole childhood until the logo changed to all fruit.. I looked at this logo all the time.. even tried removing the logo but the cornucopia would be so hard to remove so I stopped. Still hate this brand so much it’s burned into my brain
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