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u/S-Kiraly 5h ago
Hungarian has two words for red: piros and vörös. So far as I can tell, the distinction isn't about the particular shade or hue, but about how emotionally charged the object itself is.
A red tulip is piros but a red rose is vörös.
A fire hydrant, an apple, a clown's nose, all piros.
Red wine, blood, the carpet you roll out for the president, all vörös.
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u/Asdas26 10h ago
In Czech you can also say "rudá". It's a little bit more bookish, but perfectly valid.
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u/SoSmartKappa 6h ago
Yes, Czechia should be striped between orange and red. The word "rudá" for red is imprinted in the Czech language besides the color itself. For example
Rudoši = "redskin" (Native Americans)
Rudovlasý = "red-haired"
Rudovous = "red-beard"
Rudnout = "to turn red/blush"
Zarděnky = Rubella (red rash)
Rdousit = "to strangle" (squeezing someone's throat until they turn completely red)
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 11h ago
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, this is the second version of this map! I posted the first version looking for feedback and corrected my map based on it!
I think that I’ve finally rid my map of any mistakes or things that slipped my mind, but there is still info I’m lacking which I’d like to have, like other dialectal forms of Scandinavia. Yet, I’m very happy with how this map turned out!
Here is the original V1 post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/5Pjlfwy9kK
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u/sdoliver 3h ago
Why is Wales partially covered with Coch? Shouldn't it be up to the border considering people do speak Welsh in Cardiff, Wrexham, and Newport as well?
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u/A_Perez2 8h ago
In Spanish (at least in Spain), ‘rojo’ and ‘colorado’ may be synonyms but they are not interchangeable.
‘Rojo’ is used to describe a quality: "El coche es rojo" (The car is red)
‘Colorado’ is used to describe a condition: "tengo las mejillas coloradas" (My cheeks are flushed)
In Spain, although it is perfectly understandable, its use is more influenced by set phrases and by descriptions of flushed faces, skin and other reddened features.
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u/MuchPhoto 5h ago
In Andalusia 'rojo' and 'colorado' are indeed interchangable. You can hear people say 'el coche es colorado' (especially older/country people).
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u/A_Perez2 4h ago
Yes, I suppose what I’ve written is very general, and the general rules of a language aren’t usually 100 per cent accurate, and every region – or even every village – has its own peculiarities.
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u/thissexypoptart 6h ago
Right it derives from the past tense meaning “colored” as in color was injected into it, which for a human being means flushing with blood in the face.
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u/Mesolithic_Hunter 10h ago
"Rudy" in Polish refers to the color of natural red hairs or a fur.
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u/IoIoIoYoIoIoI 9h ago
Besides "crven", Serbian absolutely also uses the "r-" IE root, in "rujan", especially in "rujno vino", and "rumen" eg for "rumeni obrazi" (ruddy cheeks)
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u/SolemnOaf 5h ago
"Ruditi" is a verb describing a process of reddening. Nowadays mostly used for morning sky turning reddish when the sun is coming up and it sounds poetic as an archaic term. You can stillp hear it mostly in songs like Toma Zdravković's "Ostala je samo uspomena"
"Već je zora počela da rudi, ona plače on je nežno ljubi"
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u/IoIoIoYoIoIoI 46m ago
Sure, "RuDiti" too, clearly connected ro "RuDDy" in English as a variant of "ReD".
And it is much older than Zdravković who died just a few years back (not that he wrote the text).
Also "ruj", a type of shrub with red-orange leaves in autumn and other words.
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u/Entgegnerz 10h ago
no one in Austria says "roud" 😂
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 10h ago
It’s the South Austro-Bavarian term, many Austrians speak Standard German, but Austro-Bavarian still exists
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u/i_drah_zua 8h ago
Austrian here.
Maybe this could be a very thick Styrian dialect, possibly heavy Burgenland dialect as well, but the rest of Austria just pronounces it "rot" (or "rod" if you want to point out the lenition. In reality it is something in between "t" and "d"), dialect or not.
Austrians please correct me here, I do not claim to know all dialects.Can't really say for Bavaria, but they might have a bit of an "u" in there somewhere when saying rot/rod/roud.
In this case it is important to distinguish between "bavarian", relating to the German county (de: "bayerisch") and "bavarian", the dialect family (de: "bairisch").
Where do you have this data from? Maybe this could give a clue why this is marked this way?
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u/OdahP 7h ago edited 7h ago
Rot Weiß Rot bis in den Tod
Can't get any clearer
Also Bavarian isn't the same as Austrian Dialect.
Viennese Dialect is different to Lower Austrian, which is different to Upper Austrian.
Then there is Burgenland and Styrian which sounds like dogs barking then you have Carinthian who always have to add "le" to every word like Schnappserle instead of Schnapps, then you got Salzburg which is kinda like snob dialect then you have Tyrol which also sounds like dogs barking but you cant understand them and then you got Vorarlbeeg which is basically wanna be swiss german
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u/i_drah_zua 7h ago
Also Bavarian isn't the same as Austrian Dialect.
But it is.
Most Austrian dialects (except Vorarlbergian) are Bavarian/Austro-Bavarian (de: "bairisch", nicht "bayerisch").https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_language
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairisch-2
u/OdahP 7h ago
Im Austrian and tell you its not ya Baboon
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u/i_drah_zua 7h ago
Schau, hast du den Wikipedia-Artikel angeschaut, zumindest den Anfang?
Wenn du faktenresistent bist, kann ich dir halt auch nicht helfen.Und Leute beschimpfen, die dir etwas mit Quellen mitteilen, ist selten deppert.
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u/Josenberg4 9h ago
In portuguese we rarely use "encarnado", but we may use "rubro", which is a direct borrowing from latim "ruber, rubrum", cognate to "russus"
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 9h ago
Rubro is not a broad word for red, and it isn’t common in Portugal anyway, encarnado is common in Portugal but not Brazil
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u/Rynchinoi 10h ago
In Srba in we also use the rud form for lighter reds, for example for the dawn or when the red fruit starts to ripen
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u/AssCrumbBilly 9h ago
I wonder if there's any chance гöрд and gorri are related, considering they seem to start with a similar sound. A Komi-Basque connection would certainly be surprising
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u/Physical-Speed-2003 7h ago
Austria is just wrong, can’t imagine how much more is wrong
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u/DontCareHowICallMe 8h ago
There's no way Greek and Albanian actually share a word with Welsh
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u/WaveElectrical4684 8h ago
It's not that crazy
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u/DontCareHowICallMe 8h ago
How?
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u/bobbobberson3 8h ago
It's simultaneously crazy and not crazy at the same time. The Welsh word for red apparently comes from the Latin coccum which was a word used to describe red berries. Why they adopted that is unknown and strange and they have a more typical word rhuddem for ruby.
Not sure if the coccum comes from the Eastern European word for red or if it is unrelated or if the Eastern European word comes from the Latin too. One thing is certain, Europe is a very genetically homogeneous continent and it can be seen in our languages and their intense similarities.
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u/DontCareHowICallMe 7h ago
In Greek the word for red isn't of greek origin but I didn't know its origin. Originally it's "Erythro" which is still used, mostly as parts of words. Also you can find Erythro in other places, like Eritrea (Erythro=red, Erythra Thalassa=red sea, Eritrea is the country in the Red Sea).
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u/Feather-y 5h ago
They are part of the same language family though, seems normal to me. There are also some words between Finnish and Hungarian that are similar for the same reason.
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u/Easy101 4h ago
Yeah Belgium's completely wrong.
We say 'rood' in the flemish region, 'rouge' in the walloon region and 'rot' in the German part.
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 3h ago
Ignoring the native languages completely. Rood is standard Dutch, Rouge standard French, Rot standard German
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u/Easy101 2h ago edited 2h ago
Well yes, genius, our native languages are Dutch, French and German.
'Rodje' is not a Belgian word.
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 1h ago
Rodje is the Walloon word, Walloon and Picard are the native languages of Wallonia, Standard French is an import from Paris
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u/Easy101 1h ago
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
Nobody in Wallonia uses 'rodje'. They're all French speakers, with certain dialects. The official language for Wallonia is French, and they use the word 'rouge'.
Just like you're forgetting our other official languages which are Dutch and German, which is why you should add 'rood' and 'rot' to that map of yours.
If you won't even take advice of a Native Belgian who's lived their entire life in that tiny country, than your map is absolutely worthless. Have fun with that.
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u/InternalNo7162 10h ago edited 10h ago
The different Sami languages are national minority languages in Sweden. They are not non-national languages.
Also the borders of “Ruoksat” for example imply that its the most common language there, which it isnt
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 10h ago
Different countries have different laws for languages and stuff, but, except for countries like Switzerland, Belgium and Ireland, it’s clear most countries have one “national language” and all the others are regional languages, be it official/recognised languages or not.
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u/InternalNo7162 10h ago
Maybe you could make the sami languages territories striped over the majority languages one, because the regional sami languages are talked by a minority of people, you map implies otherwise
(i am sami and sami speaking)
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 10h ago
They can’t be striped, stripes in this map imply mixed etymology (more than one word for red with different etymologies). This map gives priority to regional language representation wise, so they can be represented to begin with
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u/InternalNo7162 5h ago edited 5h ago
Not sure why i’m being downvoted 😅 Anyone looking at this map will think that red is ruoksat in northern Sweden/Norway, when only a small percentage of people in the area speak davvisámegiella. in the area marked as ruoksat, its ruoksat to only about 5-15% of the population.
IMO it should be clearer thats its a minority/regional language, as to not misonform people.
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u/MonotoneCreeper 10h ago
Do the turkish and slavic names share a common ancestor with the english ‘crimson’?