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Europe's migrant population change 2000–2024

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u/Corspin 11h ago

Personally I find it more interesting to look at migrants added vs population size. Of the top displayed here that is:

Ireland 22.1%

Switserland 18.1%

Austria 17.5%

Spain 16.8%

Norway 16.0%

Sweden 14.7%

Belgium 12.7%

UK 12.1%

Denmark 8.90%

Turkey 8.86%

Netherlands 8.79%

Germany 7.78%

Italy 7.73%

Finland 7.30%

France 4.92%

Portugal 4.63%

Hungary 3.85%

Czechia 3.76%

Poland 2.40%

Romania 2.32%

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u/slevinonion 10h ago

My son's class of about 26 students, only has 7 Irish children. It's not only the numbers, it's the demographic.

(Rural town, arguably one of the least likely places to have migrants). Change is profound.

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u/things_U_choose_2_b 9h ago

The thing that frustrates me about all this, is that people on both the left AND right are fundamentally dishonest about the issue.

Leftwingers refuse to acknowledge that rapid demographic change and all the issues that come from mass-importing low-skill immigration is a problem. Rightwingers refuse to acknowledge that their own political operatives (eg Boris Johnson who imported more people in his 2.5y term, than the previous 30 years combined) are the root cause of this.

Mass low-skill immigration is a great way to fudge shit economic management, boost GDP, suppress wages / inflation, and as a bonus, riles people up causing culture war clashes, classic divide-and-conquer. People are right to be frustrated, especially low-income workers and those in low-income areas who may now feel like an outsider in their own country / community (I've lived in several areas like this). OTOH, right-wingers shouldn't be directing their anger at people just trying to make a better life for themselves. Aren't we all doing that?

Left- / right-wingers will only unite in their hatred for people like me who tend to sit in the middle, acknowledging the pros and cons of both positions.

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u/BlondeBubbel 8h ago

Dude you have no knowledge about the right wing space. People on the (far) right literally coined the phrase ‘Boriswave’ to describe the millions of migrants Boris Johnson imported during Covid. They are calling the Tories traitors and Reform as too soft. Restore has the most radical solutions but Reform is still the most popular anti-immigration party in Britain (for now). Which is funny because half the party is made out of brown migrants

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u/things_U_choose_2_b 8h ago

I think you are mistaking the hard-right for 'the rightwing space'. Current polls have tories (the ones who caused most of the mess) in second place! With reform in third. People have such short fucking memories. Restore have defo bled off some support, but not very much, though I hope as the next year passes by, more Reform supporters see them for what they are: grifters.

I get called a leftie wanker by right-wingers and a right-wing bastard by left-wingers lol. I want to see immigration reduced greatly, I want to see asylum seeking aka economic migrants pretending to be gay tightened up. But I also want to see people following the rules and providing benefit to our society treated with respect, and for minority groups not to be abused just for how they were born, which doesn't tend to line up with how most right-wingers feel on those subjects!

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u/_-id-_ 2h ago

The Tories lost a lot of support on the right. Many on the right recognise the damage they caused and want to hold them accountable. But you cannot say they are the root cause when the same stuff happened simultaneously all over the Western world. We can say that they didn't do enough to stop it and even made it worse at times.

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u/PrimeGGWP 9h ago

This is the case in Vienna (Austria) since 2 decades

Most popular newborn Name since a decade: Mohammed

City Party tried to hide it and got caught haha

Vienna gives the highest social security money, no wonder everyone comes to us

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u/ParticularVoice919 9h ago

That is crazy. How much money is that? Do people get free housing as well. Are people angry in Austria 

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u/BlondeBubbel 8h ago

The anti-immigration party FPO is polling 1st at 40%, you tell me.

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u/cheeseontaoist 9h ago

The name thing is potentially a bit misleading because westerners often use a wide variety of names whereas Mohammed is a really dominant name choice for muslims.

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u/NorthernSalt 7h ago

Regardless, the fact that the muslim population is high enough that any name can be as popular is very telling

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u/YaDunGoofed 2h ago

The Muslim population could be 5% and the number one name would be muhammad

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u/Reemixt 1h ago

5% is super scary to these people.

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u/prplt 10h ago

Switserland 😬 how'd the z become an s 😂

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u/DudeFromTheSouth_ 44m ago

Those are rookie numbers. Australia – 32%
Source: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/australias-population-country-birth/latest-release

P.S. In the past, the top countries were New Zealand and the UK, but over the last 10 years it quickly shifted towards the Asian countris, so now India is #1

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u/Merinther 7h ago

Yeah, they've presented two borderline misleading statistics and ignored the much more useful one...

Even then, these numbers don't show another important point: Small countries inevitably have more immigrants. Part of the reason Sweden and Norway are high is because people move between those two countries. A large part of the immigrants in Ireland are from Northern Ireland (or the UK generally). Whereas in the US, you can move across the continent and not be an immigrant.

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u/AromaAdvisor 5h ago

4% in France 😂😂😂?

12% in Belgium? 🥷 been to Brussels lately?

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u/Lonhanha 7h ago

Portugal updated it's population this year, we had over a million more people than initial thought. These figures are outdated.

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u/UrbanCyclerPT 7h ago

I started going to Portugal in the 80s. Since then I always heard you guys saying you were 10 million. Every single time. The decades passed an 10 million was the number. Suddenly last year I heard it was 11.4million and I was like What??? But here in Norway we had the same and I think the problem is that we are not prepared to receive so many people. And not all of them are refugees , some are just from poor countries.

We should be helping In their own countries , help them develop, but be keep on predating them like always and then blame them when they want to be herem

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u/Tough_Percentage_707 6h ago

It's Reddit. Map porn, data and stats are 2-3 years old, but posted (re-posted) now again, just because. It's becoming annoying.

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u/FiveFingerDisco 12h ago

This could use a further subdivision into refugees, asylum seekers and naturalized residents.

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u/TheBoizAreBackInTown 12h ago

This whole immigration discussion is useless unless you look at actual groups.

Refugees for example are by far the biggest cost to European migration/welfare system (and actually the only migrant group confirmed to have a disproportionately higher usage of welfare systems, despite what some populist headlines would like you to believe). But they are often refugees coming from the Middle East where European and American interventions caused the crises in the first place. 

Then you have a problem of importing cheap workforce (basically modern low wage slavery) which sometimes creates the problems in local low wages workforce, pushing the locals out (but not always, that can be done properly as well). 

Then you have the biggest problem, which is terrible integration policies combined with ghettoization which sometimes in some countries cause rising crime in 2nd and 3rd generation migrants. Again, despite the headlines and populist nonsense, 1st generation migrants, and often 2nd and 3rd generation, aren't disproportionately represented in the crime stats.

It's a nucanced and extremely complicated discussion. Please don't trust the alt-right anti-immigrant bs which is prevalent online. It's not simple and being anti-immigration won't solve most of these problems, in fact it might straight up doom the Western economies which are already crumbling.

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u/FiveFingerDisco 12h ago

Why is this downvoted?

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u/TheBoizAreBackInTown 12h ago

Because this sub is mostly anti-immigrant and real life, stats and data do not fit into that ragebait worldview. 

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u/onarainyafternoon 11h ago

I don’t know. Everything they said seems pretty correct. Especially the integration part. This will probably piss off a bunch of Europeans, but there is a reason immigrants do much better in the US, and that’s because we are much better at integrating them.

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u/Shamshaw 9h ago

Tbf it’s also a lot easier to integrate into a settler-colonial society with a long history of immigration than it is to a country were nationalism is strongly tied to a shared culture, language, history, and ethnicity. So I’m not sure it’s just a resource allocation or general attitude issue to begin with. Also, no matter what white nationalists claim, our countries perception of race has constantly evolved to include more into the picture of what can be considered legacy Americans.

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u/TheBoizAreBackInTown 11h ago

I agree, but also the US migration status/system is a different stratosphere compared to the EU system. So I don't think it's a simple 1:1 comparison of one having better integration policies.

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u/Taqqer00 11h ago

They hated Jesus because he told them the truth meme

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u/lordskeletor204 10h ago edited 10h ago

Are the statistics from Denmark and the other Northern European countries made up? Are you using the lack of proper data in most countries as evidence that they aren’t over represented in crime?
It’s clear that people from certain countries/cultures are over represented in fairly serious crimes.
They’re also getting access to social housing and various tax payer funded benefits and incentives at much greater rates than the indigenous populations in many countries, again here, in a lot of countries this is hidden in a lack of data and cries of racism.
Edit to add. You can look at the increase in Ireland, currently 30% of social housing lists populated by non Irish citizens (not even indigenous). Vast sums of money being spent, during a housing crisis, to bring in and support migrants from all around the world. The best of these migrants work low paid jobs and compete against normal workers. However they live in state funded accommodation, have free travel, health, food and spending money that ordinary workers don’t get, indeed the ordinary workers are funding the advantage being given to those migrants as well as the migrants that are here for the excellent welfare that the government advertise in 24 languages now.

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u/No_Elk_1945 9h ago

How can a Irish born, educated, fed and raised bloke lose competing over a job from a freshly arrived thirdworlder from a wor torn country?

The cards are stacked against the locals or is this person just.. eh, failed in his own country?

For me it is the most obvious scapegoating argument. I mean, who would you hire? A native or somebody that just arrived?

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u/VladimirLogos 10h ago

Serbia has 400.000 refugees from Russia and Ukraine, most of them economically integrated.

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u/Mysterious_Funny826 8h ago

Any links for 400k? Official numbers are lower about 53k russians and 15k ukrainians

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u/OkBarracuda4108 7h ago edited 7h ago

400k seems to much, that would be like one out of 20 people on street is a refugee

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u/gelendersevratio 7h ago

It do be like that in parts of Belgrade tho

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u/RequirementNo2161 3h ago

Maybe because they don’t worship a child fucking pedophile

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u/sunkencathedral 12h ago edited 12h ago

Setting Russia aside, the top 6 countries listed on the left are simply the 6 highest population countries in Europe.

As always, focusing on the raw totals can appear misleading and simply mimic whichever countries are biggest. For example: the UK is at the top of the list, but would be ranked #14 according to the growth percentages on the map. Meanwhile Malta, with the highest growth, does not appear on the ranked list at all.

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u/Xvalidation 12h ago

Well Spain is number 2 and has half the population of Germany / UK! Agree that it’s not a great way to look at it, but it’s not a simple causation by big populations.

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u/cyclopsmudge 5h ago

Spain has more than half the population of the UK. Spain is 50mil, UK is 70.

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u/thissexypoptart 10h ago

It’s not “misleading” to post a map that shows the raw totals.

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u/fallout_zelda 12h ago

Spanish Gov: We need to bring in migrants because of low workforce numbers.

Spanish locals: We can't find work and the COL is out of control.

I wonder how all of this is going to work out in the long run once a lot of cheap labor jobs gets replaced and manufacturing jobs start to go full automation / AI.

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u/Competitive_Waltz704 12h ago

No poder encontrar un trabajo ya no es un problema generalizado, al menos no como lo era hace 15 años.

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u/Xen235 12h ago

Either the locals are too picky about the jobs they want to do or the employers import poor people who will work for less money. Same as everywhere really.

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u/redditislmao 11h ago

idk bro, ive been trying to move to several EU countries from the balkans and 90% of responses when applying for jobs is "we do not provide visa sponsorship" when they have the chance to pay me bare minimum

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u/Awyls 10h ago

Don't wanna be that guy, but you will rarely get a visa sponsorship for the EU unless your skillset provides real value/experience, it's rarely about paying less because you can already import cheap labor within the EU without the visa hassle e.g. half my coworkers are from places like Poland, Romania, Ukraine..

As for the low-skilled jobs, unless you can speak the native language your chances are even lower. The only reason we get so many immigrants who don't even know the language are pure nepotism e.g. shops and bars will all be from the same ethnicity

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u/Sharky1223 11h ago

Second one.

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u/maxxim333 12h ago

It's both

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u/math1985 12h ago

I’m out of the loop apparently, what’s going on in Romania and Bulgaria?

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u/Azgabeth 11h ago

Post covid, there's been a lot of legislative change to be more aligned with EU standards.

This has resulted in ~100k foreign worker visas being issued(at least in Romania) every year since 2020 mostly for Nepalese, Filipino, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankans and Indians.

And since Romania had net emigration for a long while since joining the EU in 2007. The % increase is astronomical.

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u/Sfa90 11h ago

And do they stay there or do they go to other EU countries? Because I noticed a lot of people from Pakistan, Bangladesh etc get a visa in Portugal but then move to other EU countries. I wonder if they do the same in Romania

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u/Azgabeth 10h ago

Eh it really depends honestly.

For 6 months, they are legally stuck in Romania. But then they can start going in other countries.

I'd say somewhere around 40-45% of them do so. But for example, I know a guy who works at my local pretzel shop who's been here for ~4.5years and even learned the language at a conversational level.

Many stay in Romania tho, wages are still much higher than in their home countries, and I'd we're slightly more familiar with aspects of their culture than westerners.

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u/MeasureHead1984 9h ago

No one wants to work those jobs, nor do they want to deal with other Românians

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u/onezero008 10h ago

For Bulgaria, the actual numbers are not that big, but since we went from almost zero to several hundred thousand migrants the % is high and misleading, most of them right now are Ukrainians

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u/Friendly_Top6561 9h ago

If you had one migrant living in the country before 2000 and five moved in the next year, you’d be at 500%.

It’s a very strange metric, it’s relative to what the amount of migrants you had living in Europe he country before 2000. It’s meaningless without knowing what history you had before.

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u/Prasiatko 12h ago

Note it's a % change so going from 1 immigrant in 2000 to 10 immigrants in 2024 would be a 900% increase. 

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u/prplt 10h ago

Bulgaria has low taxes so it's a popular destination for "digital nomads"

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u/Cowglue 10h ago

Saw a gorgeous 3 bed house for sale in an almost empty village in Bulgaria,needed work but only £5.5k,wish i was a "digital nomad"I can 100% see the attraction,the countryside looks beautiful.

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u/Fun-Incident-9216 12h ago edited 10h ago

This idiots open the borders for Nepal and India,Bangladesh...etc

l.e. idiots from the government.

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u/prime_alki 12h ago

The young Bulgarians and Romanians meanwhile are everywhere else

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u/No-Economics-6781 11h ago

Their male population totally transplanted

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u/crabBotRo 8h ago edited 8h ago

very misleading comment , they are not the majority not even close of the imigrants, most of them are from Rep of Moldova and Ukraine

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u/prplt 10h ago

"this idiots" the irony lol

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u/Fun-Incident-9216 10h ago

the idiots from government.

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u/DevilBySmile 12h ago

Probably an extremely small number previously, so Ukrainian and Russian refugees caused a huge spike even if comparatively few of them actually went there.

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u/BIack_no_01 45m ago

The initial number of immigrants was quite small to begin with, just as in bulgaria's case, we went from almost zero to a few tousands, the percentage is higher.

Then life in romania stopped being that bad in the past 10 years and the wage growth , on one hand, attracted immigrants.

On the other hand we had a workforce shortage because a lot of romanians emigrated to other eu states and someone had to replace them. Then we also have ukrainians and moldavians comming in, tho most moldavians do not show up in the statistic as many have bacame romanian citizens and are no longer counted.

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u/boothbbenjoyer 9h ago

they had low immigration

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u/M1ghtySheep 3h ago

Thats documented migrants btw

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u/flufffyzebra 6h ago

this has been forced upon us

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u/Kooky-Judgment-9499 6h ago

Most migration is from other EU nations. 

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u/SoupEfficient563 9h ago

Total numbers is bullshit. Look at percentage of total population to see the real figures.

20 % of Ireland is non Irish now.

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u/luxcity-louche 8h ago

Not according to the last census.

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u/HenriTheUniversalist 8h ago

Last census was in April 2022. Around 450,000 non-Irish citizens have immigrated to Ireland since then

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u/bombastic6339locks 8h ago

The last census which counts a child born to two somalis as irish native

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u/notaoife 7h ago

Where's the reference to "Irish natives" in the census? You just choose a broad race category (e.g. white, black) and fill in whatever sub-option you are (e.g. Irish, African, other)

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u/AromaAdvisor 6h ago

France’s number seems suspiciously low.

I don’t trust this data at all. I’ve seen marseille with my own eyes.

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u/Three_sigma_event 6h ago

I think you're confusing historic settlers from French Colonies with migration in recent decades.

We all know half of France is Algerian lol, but they've been there for a long time.

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u/badatspelling8124 1h ago

Second and third generation. The inevitable future of Europe is already baked in. Many countries that were 90%+ indigenous in 2000 will be minority indigenous in thirty years.

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u/Llanistarade 5h ago

"I don't trust data, I've seen things"

The average level of redditors.

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u/JinaxM 12h ago

Slovakia growing for 178% is like a jump from a very low number to a fairly low number

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u/Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs 5h ago

Bear in mind throughout that time period, ever elected government in Britain promised to reduce it...

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u/ComfortMike 8h ago

Irish here. We do not want to take in a single more. And this is being forced upon us. We cannot cope.

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u/doddmatic 17m ago

Speak for the whole country do you?

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u/lokesh1218 8h ago

Skilled immigrantion isn’t bad, illegal immigration is

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u/rockleeit 8h ago

It doesn't matter if its skilled immigration. Ireland has a housing crisis and immigrants coming to Ireland are making it worse.

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u/YawgO1999 7h ago

Aren't the current government and wasn't the previous Irish governments hoping to lure foreign construction workers to build the homes?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/05/10/more-construction-workers-needed-to-ease-housing-crisis-economic-watchdog-warns/

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u/lokesh1218 6h ago

Thats how you see it from outside. Ireland is rich because of all those tech companies and taxation. And they are there because they are able to get talent. Similar things go with healthcare in Ireland. Would the already loaded health system will survive without those immigrants? Immigrats who owns a house in Ireland are putting 70-100k in taxes per year I guess.

People need to learn that a country solely doesn’t run. Illegal immigration is bad where highly skilled worked bring nation up.

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u/curryinmysocks 7h ago

Illegal immigration in most countries is a very small percentage of all immigration.

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u/Cerg1998 55m ago

Rus -36? Sure feels the other way round 

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u/BozoStaff 9h ago

Imagine your culture dying because the government wanted infinite growth

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u/tijolus523 7h ago

Right wingers will say this type of shit and then cast 5 billion votes for Dr.Neoliberalus Kapitalis von Infinite-Growthe the 2nd

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u/RequirementNo2161 3h ago

Left wingers literally protest and riot for open borders

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u/tijolus523 3h ago

And right wingers literally protest and riot for infinite growth and more capitalism. At the end of the day, you get to the same place. Are you actually naive enough to think that a right-wing Europe would stop accepting both skilled and cheap labor, developed at the cost of another nation's coffers, into its borders? It's the result of economic pressure, not left-wing activism. That's at most a veneer. If you have a problem with capitalism, join your local marxist organization and try your luck at bringing about communist revolution. Anything short of that is just throwing a tantrum.

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u/_-id-_ 2h ago

It's unlikely a rightwing government would indefinitely stop all point-based (e.g. skilled or wealthy) immigration but it would certainly try to restrict it more to reduce mass migration numbers. Look at the current US administration, they've targeted legal and illegal migration. Same thing can happen in Europe.

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u/iamabsolutelypacking 15m ago

That's how it always was. Culture is subject to change. That's how cultures work.

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u/bennettbuzz 6h ago

Need a consistent 3% rise in GDP so just let in 3% more people per year basically. The biggest scam in European history is what’s happened over the last 20+ years.

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u/Nachooolo 8h ago

I always find this talking point quite funny with Spain.

The prurality of our migration (sone years, the majority) comes from Latinamerica. And the cultural differences between them as us is as "big" as the cultural difference between a Galician and an Andalucian.

Even our fascist anti-migrant party tend to be really quite about Latinamerican migrants. They tend to focus on the smaller North African migration.

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u/OverSizedMidget 5h ago

Also lots of Filipinos in Spain, great and kind people.

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u/RequirementNo2161 3h ago

Weird how no one takes issue with Thai or Philippine migration innit?

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u/whodafadha 2h ago

Yep. Almost like they don’t cause much hassle

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u/fnordal 9h ago

Not just the government. Capitalism tenet is that growth is the only thing that matters. More money, more resources, more sales, more production.

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u/bombastic6339locks 8h ago

It wont even work for that since the average immigrant is a fiscal net negative of a few hundred thousand :D It pumps up GDP for a good few years but thats it.

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u/BlondeBubbel 8h ago

Not just culture. Your people are getting killed and replaced

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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 8h ago

The UKs crime rates are lower then at any point in the last 30 years and migration has only gone up

Lie much?

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u/JFK1200 8h ago

Really? Can you name a single European country whose murder rate surpasses the US’?

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u/BlondeBubbel 5h ago

Where did I say Europe’s murder rate is higher than the US? I didn’t even mentioned America. Obviously the American murder rate is higher

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u/UnderstandingThin40 11h ago

This is going to have profound effects on Europe. Idk what the effects will be, obviously will be a mix of positive and negative. But there’s no doubt Europe fundamentally will be different after all this migration. 

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u/Sfa90 11h ago

It’s already noticeably different compared to 15yrs ago

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u/ParticularVoice919 9h ago

Have any of the major cities gotten unsafe or they still safe?

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u/YsfA 9h ago

Depends where. Londons been improving a lot with crime compared to 5-20 years ago. Swedish cities I’ve heard not so much

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u/morknox 8h ago

Sweden went from having the lowest gun killings per capita in EU 20 years ago, to having the second highest a few years ago. It has gone down the past few years though, but still higher than what it was in the 00s.

Definietly more effect in some areas compared to others.

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u/zwifter11 7h ago

Because those crimes are no longer being recorded.

You don’t have a problem if you don’t look at phone theft, shoplifting and anti social behaviour

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u/Starmoses 10h ago

Mark my words, in the next ten years we're gonna see mass deportations on a scale no one could imagine. Europeans had enough and they're starting to go back to the far right since they (imo wrongly) believe they're the only solution.

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u/morknox 8h ago

What are the other solutions then?

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u/Starmoses 8h ago

I'm not saying there is one tbh. The solution would be been sensible migration policy 15 years ago but that's too far gone now.

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u/sweeneytodd126 7h ago

Agreed, simply not possible in the vast majority of western democracies save the nordic ones. Every year voters ask for less migration and they get more. The unholy alliance between big business who want cheap labor and the left who want to feel good about themselves means the primary left and right parties can keep the numbers high regardless of their mandate. And when a party gains popularity for promising to reduce immigration they will have the entire political and media establishment against them which you can see happening with reform (not a fan of Nigel, but it's obvious reform is public enemy number one). So only the far right can address immigration and obviously they have an uphill battle.

Unfortunately i disagree that there will be mass deportations in any western country. Britain is 3/4 white brits and their share is falling. Because of the antiracism stigma that 75% will be split, plus the uniparty will throw the kitchen sink at any far right emerging party. I just don't see it happening.

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u/No_Translator_361 7h ago

Invest in the countries they're all leaving so they're not inclined to leave.

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u/YoungYezos 6h ago

They’re already in Europe it’s too late for that.

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u/ParticularVoice919 9h ago

Do you really think this could happen? I was surprised to see many Middle Eastern origin people in major German cities.   I helped a a Middle Eastern family find their train connection. It was a challenge as they didn’t speak English.

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u/dovetc 7h ago

Remigration parties will become the biggest feature of European politics in the 2030s. If you doubt this you've got your head in the sand.

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u/Starmoses 9h ago

It's not a question of if but when. We currently have two of the largest countries who look like their far right parties will take over in the next general elections (Germany and Britain) who are promising these mass deportations. France it's looking possible too with le pen and Spains left wing government is historically unpopular especially after the Ceuta crisis and is scrambling to try and survive with a snap election. People are mad because of over migration. I've visited family and traveled Europe a lot the last few years and I see it everywhere how Europeans are hurting so their governments and corporations can have a cheap labor source with migrants and gotten to its boiling point. Hell look at the demographics of European capitals if you wanna see how regular folks are being pushed out, 36% of London is Ethnic British, 21% of brussels is belgan, those are the two largest but for other major cities like Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Barcelona, it hovers around 20-30% are foreign born and rising. Then you see countries in the EU like poland and Hungary who during the last 20-30 years have seen economic booms without mass migration from MENA or South Asian countries and who's migrants are mainly from other European countries. And all of this doesn't even mention the crime rate of migrants which is massively higher than domestic born or EU born citizens. It's a failure of the left (who I have voted for my entire life just to be clear) by opening the borders without a proper plan for assimilate and rules for deportation if they were a problem. And due to that failure, the far right will win and Europe is gonna look a lot different very soon.

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u/BlondeBubbel 9h ago

Europe without Europeans is no longer Europe in any sense of the word

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u/Ancient-End3895 7h ago

The indigenous populations of Europe will become minorities in their own home countries within the next two centuries, possibly less. It's not a conspiracy to simply extrapolate out (far) below replacement level birth rates and ever increasing mass-migration from outside Europe. The far-right doesn't really offer any solutions here either by the way. If all migrants were deported and there was no further migration into Europe, society would still eventually collapse without enough working age people to support the ballooning elderly population. Again, simple mathematical extrapolation, and Japan offers a glimpse of what that would look like.

We took a wrong turn as a civilisation somewhere in the last hundred years that has produced a completely unique social, cultural, and economic system, that in both a literal and metaphorical sense, fails to re-produce itself.

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u/Existing_Doughnut985 54m ago

I literally can’t walk down the street with seeing a pile of rotis or rice just dumped on the pavement…. vermin everywhere, and then they’re dumping their food and bringing the rats 

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u/LonelyReader95 44m ago

There is not a single positive in this kind of immigration. In the short term the only positive will be for companies that need extremely low skilled manual labour, and in the long term they'll get fucked too.

European nations, especially the southern ones, will become minorities in their own countries and we'll see human rights getting eroded slowly turning into an Iran 2.0, all because saying something against it "it's racist".

Or, they'll turn into fascist dictatorships that won't actually fix anything.

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u/Like_a_Charo 10h ago

I mean, in countries like France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK, you already had large non european minorities decades ago

So it just added fuel to the fire, but this is not new

But in countries like Spain (which was 99 % white in 1995) or Italy, this is new

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u/UnderstandingThin40 10h ago

This scale is absolutely new, we’re already seeing the rise of right wing nationalism as a result 

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u/Kattenaars 9h ago

Spain is getting a lot of migrants from Latin America. They already speak the language and integrate easier.

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u/Separate-Practice550 9h ago

These figures are bullshit.

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u/GeordieJumpers87 5h ago

Agreed it's actually higher numbers

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u/Helpful_Pay8853 7h ago

Agreed. It's an absolute mess, it puts everyone into the same group, which means people from the Middle East, Ukrainian refugees, and internal migration within the EU borders are grouped together, and we know it's kind of a touchy subject when people question the origin of a migrant. Also, the percentage is misleading. Like the migrant population, from 1k to 10k is a 900% increase, while from 1 million to 2 million is only a 100% increase.

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u/Brilliant-Sea-9424 9h ago

U.K. has become a shit hole in a lot of cities and this is a direct cause.

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u/gingerisla 6h ago

Yes, everyone knows how beautiful and safe cities like Glasgow and Manchester were in the 90s 🙄

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u/Plastic-Trick-5195 4h ago

I visited Manchester recently and was surprised by how much I liked it. Really quite a nice place.

Glasgow on the other hand was a tip, and not because of the migrants lol.

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u/yadasellsavonmate 6h ago

"Because a place was a shithole in the past you can't complain if it turns back into a shithole"

Terrible argument. 

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u/gingerisla 5h ago

When was it not a shit hole then, according to your definition?

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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 8h ago

icl London has been doing great, no clue about the other cities but we're fine.

Crime rates are at their lowest level in 30 years, GDP growth has been on the up and house prices are finally somewhat coming under control.

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u/Weird-End-6989 1h ago

The racists don't like hearing that. They need to believe everything is falling apart, otherwise they can't spew their hatred.

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u/Naturalizado 9h ago

Very sad to see, Europe is lost

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u/loleenceee 8h ago

In Austria and Switzerland a good number of those migrants are other Europeans. Vienna felt very safe even in the migrant majority neighborhoods. Tho I have to add that I am a foreign male lol…

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u/gothfangsx 10h ago

Thankfully Eastern Europe is still European

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u/HarrMada 10h ago

What a lie.

If it's so much better there why do they all move to western europe then? Where are all the western europeans in the east?

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u/gothfangsx 10h ago

Just because some of them move there it doesn't mean all of us are. Would rather live with my own people in a much safer country than be a stranger in my own lands because of diversity

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u/Jagshemesh_Captain 5h ago

Absolutely horrific.

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u/miggupetit 12h ago

I cry for Malta. Horrendous what the government has done

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u/Beezyo 12h ago

Don't worry, people complained incessently and gave the goverment their opinion on the situation! The current goverment got re-elected.

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u/procrastigamer 9h ago

People complain incessantly here about it but still vote for the corrupt party so idk 🤷‍♂️

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u/Haunting_Option7205 5h ago

this is insane

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u/Material_Potato8466 12h ago

And they've all gone to shit

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u/disaster_incomin 11h ago

Does this include within-Europe migrations ?

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u/ChaoticHarmonia 10h ago

I had many questions until I understood that map shows growth in only MIGRANT population, not a saldo of population (immigration minus emigration).

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u/cnr0 11h ago

Greeks should be grateful to Turks for protecting the border. Otherwise their number looks like an anomaly when compared with millions of SY refugees TR took.

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u/John_OSheas_Willy 11h ago

All the history of European countries being destroyed over the course of a couple of decades. Shameful.

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u/Dangerous_Walk9239 12h ago

Spain holy hell 😭😭

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u/Awyls 10h ago edited 10h ago

I hate to feed the far-right narrative about migrants, but Spain really is beyond ridiculous what happened over the last 10 years.

I don't even know what language people are speaking in the streets/public transport anymore and some small cities/districts are turning into actual ghettos. I might migrate myself because my own country is unrecognisable and unsafe (shit salaries don't help either).

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u/Nachooolo 7h ago

Okay. This is just hilarious.

The majority of migration into Spain comes from Latinamerica.

You're hearing fucking Spanish in the streets.

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u/ClockworkEngineseer 9h ago

I might migrate myself

Because you're "one of the good ones"?

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u/gothfangsx 10h ago

What far-right narrative? Western Europeans are living in it

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u/horus85 12h ago

Intra EU immigrants or only those coming from outside, including Ukraine, Turkiye and such.

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u/Dunkirb 9h ago

I would like a table like this but which Filters by the country lf origin of the immigrants, a lot of these are from EU countries.

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u/gingerisla 6h ago

They are, especially since the EU has grown massively in the last 25 years. Basically all of Eastern Europe joined.

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u/Extreme-Shopping74 12h ago edited 12h ago

In Germany, we have 21,8m migrants (of which 16,4m came themselves and the rest was born here), making up 27% of the state. Source: Government official statistics

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u/VanicFanboy 12h ago

And they will all vote for hardline pro-immigration parties, who will continue to serve their interests because they continue to vote for them.

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u/kkris22 9h ago

Is this /s? Cause a lot of them dislike other immigrants

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u/Successful_Jelly111 12h ago

Don't worry, they cannot vote unless they become citizens, and those who can vote often chose traditional parties. Those with a post-soviet background even favour our nazi party.

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u/checchi8 6h ago

Goodbye Europe, thanks for everything

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u/JoshuasBacklog 4h ago

Everybody loves inmigration until your country is literally fucked up by people who are straight pdfs, nasty and radical

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u/RubberDuck1920 6h ago

Be like Finland 🇫🇮

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u/bombastic6339locks 8h ago

Swap the colors and add flame effects.

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u/Yorrins 10h ago

So fucking gross man. Ireland is dead as a country within a few years.

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u/Ok_Temperature1502 11h ago

This is such a shocking graphic for some countries of the EU. Ireland, I am looking at you. And look at Spain with its 700,000 migrants granted residency.

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u/mezha4mezha 12h ago

The next map would be a breakdown by nation of the ethnic composition of total migrant population increase. That would largely reveal the degree of cultural shift which has occurred so far in each country this century.

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u/No_Elk_1945 9h ago

Would be a great idea.

Inter European migration is not visible in these numbers but for some countries is a very big chunk.

Think of Eastern European labourers in Western European countries or (I guess) 'digital nomads' going to Malta.

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u/matTmin45 5h ago

Everybody knows...

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u/Interesting-Ad-1792 4h ago

So Finland went from a small majority to 378k.
But when you don’t have a big population that number can easily get too much.

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u/JNUG_LongtermHolder 10h ago

We need remigration

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u/Moist_Comfort_2204 10h ago

Interesting to see Malta’s staggering growth compared to others.

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u/ShakeElectronic2174 8h ago

Could you do it as a proportion of the population?

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u/footyfan92 8h ago

What do they mean by "migrant" population? Refugees or all immigrants in general?

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u/SunnySouEasterly 8h ago

Seo é bas na hEorpa, agus níos measa ná sin, bás ná nGael.

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u/coolbcool 6h ago

5.8 my ass

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u/Historical-Snow9472 6h ago

Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina!

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u/StandardHat3768 6h ago

Ain’t no way Spain has more immigrants than Germany

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u/splitcroof92 5h ago

/r/dataisugly

The number one goal should be to easily convey meaning and this utterly fails at that

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u/Potassium_Doom 4h ago

Growth normalised for existing native population though?

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u/vukanidja84 49m ago

Not sure about Serbia. We lost many Serbian people who left the country, but we also now have a lot of Russians who fleed Putin because of the war.

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u/LeftAndRightAreWrong 6m ago

Completely fake.