r/MurderedByWords • • 7h ago

Cadet Bonespurs

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u/Jeansaintfire 6h ago

The last person promoted to 5 star was in 1950 Omar Bradley who died in 1981.

There's only been 5 ever.

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u/danlawl 6h ago

Who votes for them to become one then if there is so few of them? Is it their peers?

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u/capnpetch 6h ago

It’s a quirk of European ranking systems. It was created to allow them to align with the top level generals of European allies during WW2. Didn’t need them before and haven’t needed them since.

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u/the_tytan 5h ago

Is it because the highest rank (at least in Britain) was Field Marshal?

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u/Many-Salt-4321 5h ago

That's right. The US system top rank "General" was 4 star. UK (and other EU systems) had field marshal that outranked Generals. So the US added a 5 star "General of the Army" in 1944 to solve any issues with command hierarchy.

There is another rank "General of the Armies" which was created post-WW1 bestowed on Pershing for his service. They also posthumously promoted Grant in 2024 and George Washington in 1976 with the caveat that Washington's rank has "precedence over all other grades of the Army, past or present." This doesn't have any specific star insignia IIRC.

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u/TetraDax 5h ago

Yes, and in France (although it hasn't been active in a long time). It was basically just trying to avoid a situation where Montgomery or De Gaulle could pull rank on the four US generals (although this did not happen anyway, they were fighting together long before the rank was created in December '44).

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u/danlawl 6h ago

Interesting! Thanks for the info. 🙂

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u/UnrealCanine 6h ago

The US can only promote to a 5-star during wartime, and hasn't declared war since WWII. Omar Bradley is an exception because when he was made Chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff, Douglas MacArthur would have been his subordinate and outranked him

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u/arwinda 5h ago

But ... the US is at war with wokeness! That must count for something, least a 5 star Trump general! /s

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u/ZoominAlong 6h ago

Its not a vote the way we vote for representatives. In the military, you earn it, kind of like a promotion at your job. General is also a rank during active enlistment, and specifically four star generals are only allowed to be 4 star during active enlistment ,  as it's attached to your office.

You can retire with the rank of General,  but apparently not 4 stars. 

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 6h ago

They can have their 4 star duty certified for retirement or something but it isn’t guaranteed.

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u/ZoominAlong 6h ago

Yeah I was pulling it from Wikipedia and it seems a little confusing the way it's worded. Like they can't use it in retirement but then they can? It's weird, idk. 

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u/SeonaidMacSaicais 6h ago

Probably. Like for electing a new pope.

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u/Unassuming_Fruits 6h ago

Appointed by the President himself and recommended by other top leadership such as the JCOS. Intended for wartime use only.

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u/VultureSausage 3h ago

Eight, no?

Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan following the Civil War and then Marshall, MacArthur, Eisenhower, Arnold, and Bradley in WWII.

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u/wurmsrus 2h ago

According to Wikipedia yes, There's also been 5 five star admirals (Fleet AAdmirals) Dewey after Spanish-American war, and Leahy, King, Nimitz, and Halsey Jr during/after WWII

Arnold also became the only 5 star Air Force General when the Air Force was separated out from the Army post WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_of_the_Army_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_admiral_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_of_the_Air_Force