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article Paramore’s Hayley Williams unleashes profanity-filled response after DHS tells her to ‘thank’ ICE

https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/news/hayley-williams-ice-dhs-paramore-response-b3062326.html
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u/Strykerz3r0 11d ago

Out of curiosity, what do you want them to do?

They speak out, but most MSM in this country is owned by the billionaires and don't report it or back burner it. And republicans control Congress and block any attempts at accountability.

Remember when DHS wasn't funded? Dems put out no less than nine standalone bills to fund it and each time it was blocked by republicans because they wanted to give ICE more authority. Republicans also blocked legislation to release the Epstein files.

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u/Psych_Yer_Out 11d ago

Dems agreed to increase funding to homeland security and ICE until Trump took control, then they were suddenly against it. They are not terrible, but they are not great either. Got to hold them accountable to mistakes, however they are CLEARLY the better choice for the American people rn.

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u/pentaquine 11d ago

Because Homeland Security under the rule of law is different from Homeland Security under Fascist dictator.

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u/This_Elk_1460 11d ago

DHS has only existed for 2 decades and should be abolished

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 11d ago

The departments that were consolidated into DHS existed long before that, so unless you're doing away with the enforcement services that make it up, it won't change much. 

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u/JoyousCacophony 11d ago edited 11d ago

A lot of us warned against what they would become... along with the other few monsters created post 9/11

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u/Quixotic_Tendency 11d ago

I remember being laughed at by my relatives when I said DHS and the PATRIOT/Homeland Security act gave a lot of power to the President and essentially just assumed no one would ever abuse it, but eventually someone would. Who's laughing now?! well not me because this is a nightmare.

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u/objectlesson 10d ago

Law enforcement will always abuse any power they are given. This is an important lesson for everyone, especially liberals who want to fund these agencies, to learn.

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u/seeingeyegod 10d ago

just the title "Homeland...." is very reminiscent of Nazi or Soviet rhetoric.

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u/Jettx02 11d ago

No it isn’t, it’s a fascist wing of the Administrative branch no matter who’s in charge. You don’t think homeland security was violating the rights of Americans before Trump? Have you ever heard of a guy called Edward Snowden?

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u/LarxII 7d ago

Well, if you load the gun and hand it to the toddler, who's at fault?

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u/Strykerz3r0 11d ago

I don't disagree, but ICE wasn't a modern version of the Brown Shirts until trump, so it is disingenuous to complain about previous funding.

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u/This_Elk_1460 11d ago

Yes they were you just weren't paying attention. From its very creation people have been saying ice could easily be co-opted and used as a private paramilitary force. Trump was just the only one with the balls to do it.

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u/winstondabee 11d ago

You're literally disagreeing and then agreeing in the same fucking comment.

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u/RechargedFrenchman 11d ago

It's like half of all "discussion" on Reddit these days it feels like; seems like at least once a week someone opens a reply to me telling me I'm wrong, only to then repeat my own comment back to me as the explanation for why I'm wrong, and end telling me that the truth is [thing I said in the first place].

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u/arielsosa 11d ago

Well. They sre withholding funds and failing to support Democrat candidates in key races just because their are "too lefty" for their taste.

The Stablishment Dems would rather lose some seats to Republicans than putting the will of their voter for over their own ambitions.

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u/fleegness 10d ago

Examples of this?

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u/arielsosa 9d ago

The DNC and Senior dems in office have not used funds or verbally supported:

-Melat Kyros, CO -Chris Rabb, PA -Angie Nixon, FL -Troy Jackson, ME (he's kinda getting a bit of non-monetary help, but mainly staffers from DC with their own agenda, and that's one of the reasons why Jackson is trailling Collins in recent polling, if you can believe it)

I could also mention Abdul El-Sayed, but the Stablishment Dems are easing up on him after their failed attempt at lableing him an as a "muslim extremist" connecting him to Hasan Piker, and then receiving the support of Kamala and Obama. People are also not buying the lie because you just can tell Abdul is anything but an extremist as soon as he opens his mouth. It's laughable.

There are other candidates that belong in that list but I think I've made my point.

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u/fleegness 9d ago

First and foremost the dnc doesn't directly find candidates, they administer primaries. They also don't really have much in the way of funding as is, they're currently in debt.

But anyway, you said Dems are withholding funds in key races and then you listed off candidates in some of the bluest districts there are. 

Melats district had gone 75% Dems in presidential elections since Obama and rabb is closer to 90% in his district. Why would they throw funds at a sure thing? 

And you had to back off on all sayed as an example because they aren't actually trying to stop him outside of winning the primary against him, but if you think other people aren't allowed to support candidates you personally don't like, there's really no point in talking further.

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u/FranktheSausage 11d ago

To represent the people more instead of there corporate overlords, real change takes commitment and saying no to money

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u/MakeUpAnything 11d ago

It also takes 60 votes in the senate for anything not budget oriented, but yeah! Both sides are the same so vote republican or stay home until the left learns their lesson!

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u/ngunter7 11d ago

Fucking anything

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u/This_Elk_1460 11d ago

Stop yelling about a fucking twitch streamer and instead hyper focus on all of the horrible shit Republicans have been doing. They should be blasting Republicans 24/7 nonfucking stop! And not prioritizing fighting Hassan Parker and DSA.

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u/smokeweedNgarden 11d ago

I have to ask what medium you're using?

I'm politically informed and none of my local or state leaders are mentioning Piker. I know nothing about Piker besides his name, it's not really widely circulating information serious journalists are covering. 

The only time is recently when Bibi said some crazy shit about NYC's Mayor supporting him

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u/BackStabbathOG Metalhead 11d ago

Why does Piker even have relevance to this in first place? Dude abuses his dog and supports terrortists

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u/Yeah_x10 11d ago

They’ve done that before and these same bozos will shriek that “don’t tell me about Trump and Republicans, tell me what I want to hear about how things will get better instead” 

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u/Delicious_Cancel_708 11d ago

They’re typically the same folks as the person that you’re responding to.

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u/NoradianCrum 11d ago

Align with what the populace overwhelmingly wants. If you aren't aligned with the masses, you are against them.

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u/littleSparrow31 11d ago edited 11d ago

Dems could start by telling DHS to suck their fat dicks and stop funding ICE. That would get some headlines.

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u/Strykerz3r0 9d ago

Republicans have ICE funded separately, so it isn't as easy as you say. Even when republicans were blocking the funding of DHS, ICE was already funded. Republicans were just tryto give ICE more authority.

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u/jaywalkingly 11d ago

Tear down their opponent's cabins and throw the pieces in a river.

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u/dukearcher 11d ago

Anything

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u/Green-Inkling 11d ago

to actually fucking do something. i dont care if it is against the very law they want to uphold and protect. that is the problem. they want to keep doing that but Trump is having none of it and is ignoring every law that exists. you are not gonna get anywhere trying to use the law on someone who won't follow them. dems need to get off their asses, take the gloves off, and shove their foot so far up his ass it will take a surgeon to remove it.

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u/Typical-Carpenter342 10d ago

Foreign invaders don't have rights 

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u/Green-Inkling 10d ago

you wouldn't know a foreign invader from a legal citizen.

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u/AnewTest 10d ago

Then you have to do something, too. It's called getting off your ass and voting them into Congress. If they don't have enough seats in Congress to fight off Republican obstruction, they CAN'T do anything about it.

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u/Green-Inkling 10d ago

there is a difference between can't and won't. they can do something but they won't because that is against the law. and we are back where i said. would you break the law if it meant getting orange hitler out of office or would you rather suffer under his reign because every solution you can think of is against the law?

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u/fleegness 10d ago

So you want them to break laws in order to stop Trump while they aren't in power? How do you figure that's going to work?

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u/Green-Inkling 10d ago

It'd work allot better than what they are doing now that for damn sure. What else is gonna stop him besides his health? The law?

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u/fleegness 10d ago

What the fuck are you talking about? 

If the Dems decided to commit illegal acts (which you haven't even specified what those might be, largely because there really isn't anything), then law enforcement will arrest them. 

Do you understand basic reality?

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u/Green-Inkling 10d ago

Basic reality and law enforcement would have stopped trump before he had a second term. So you don't get to use that as a defense.

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u/fleegness 10d ago

I notice you still haven't told me what specific illegal acts Dems should have done and how they would work.

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u/Green-Inkling 10d ago

I would think it would be obvious. Physically detaining him and locking him away in prison where he belongs. Taking actual action. Actions speak louder than words. It's why trump and his regime are winning. He is taking action to control the country and disregarding every law that exists. Laws mean nothing without enforcement (aka action). And actions can work on their own unlike words and laws.

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u/rekniht01 11d ago

Give a profanity laced response. For a start.

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u/pentaquine 11d ago

So the Republicans can block the Democrats, but the Democrats cannot block the Republicans? Not that long ago, the Democrats controlled the White House, Senate, and House. They have no excuses.

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u/MakeUpAnything 11d ago

Republicans block democrats because it's easier to block something being built than something being destroyed.

Trump has gutted multiple orgs simply by firing everybody involved and/or denying funding. There are a ton of ways you can utterly hamstring operations of organizations without any authorization from Congress, but to actually build things you tend to need 60 votes and they democrats haven't had that since a brief 60 day window during Obama's days (over a decade ago) when they passed the ACA.

Of course people like you don't care about that, you just want to pretend you're smarter than the rest and above the fray as you try to act like both sides are exactly the same. Thinking and paying attention to nuance are very hard after all!

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 11d ago

"Not that long ago" was 7 session weeks in 2009 before Kennedy died, during which they eliminated pre-existing condition exclusions and created a healthcare marketplace.

It would have been a more ambitious plan, of course, but when people only gave you enough votes when you include Lieberman, you get Lieberman compromises.

And yes, republicans can block democrats because republicans don't have to care about the damage they do.  Democrats can't just let people suffer.  They have consciences and consequences. 

Reddit is a bad place to learn about these things, but Google will break down any particular subject in better detail. 

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u/Delicious_Cancel_708 11d ago

Not to mention they only got that sixtieth vote with Arlen Specter switching parties at the final hour. People also don’t understand that back then, the senate democratic caucus was ACTUALLY conservative, not how they think it was now.

The caucus included senators from:

Montanax2

Arkansasx2

North Dakotax2

West Virginiax2

I guess these people really think that you could get actual conservative democrats to vote like lefty progressives.

People who whine about that period have an incredibly poor grasp of politics

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u/exarkann 11d ago

They could reach into those pockets and literally buy air time.

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u/CharlieTeller 11d ago

Well. See if you go back to the 1800s when we had some gusto and balls, members of congress literally fought one another, carried weapons, and also dueled each other. Now I'm glad we don't do that anymore, but they had balls then. Now our congress regardless of which party just sits there, makes a tweet, has a hearing and fucks off for 2 months.

Parties back in the day weren't so clean cut ideologically sorted like now. So we're basically stuck in fucked mode. But I at least respect our congresses of the past for having balls to actually do something now and then.

Congress is supposed to protect its own power. Not roll over and give it away while taking it deep.