r/Music • u/theindependentonline 📰The Independent UK • 11d ago
article Paramore’s Hayley Williams unleashes profanity-filled response after DHS tells her to ‘thank’ ICE
https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/news/hayley-williams-ice-dhs-paramore-response-b3062326.html1.1k
u/MarsAlgea3791 11d ago edited 10d ago
Why do so many headlines involving her try to make her sound like an unreasonable spoiled brat or something, but she seems to always be well justified? Yeah yeah sexism, sure, but I just notice it a LOT around her. Like is there some history?
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u/KoopaSteve 10d ago
Headlines like this really make you notice just how much they sanewash Trump. Hayley "unleashes a profanity filled response" while Trump makes a "statement" (its about how he wants to kill millions).
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u/Angry_Sparrow 10d ago
I saw a video this morning of saying he’s happy to sacrifice LA to an attack from Iran.
I bet it won’t even make headlines.
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u/nomorerope 10d ago
Everyone is exhausted from scandals every day. So if it doesnt stand out in peoples minds it makes sense. It's overload.
It's like if someone asks "why don't you like trump". it's like holy fuck dude I can't find a place to start. I don't even know if it's worth the mental energy to try to help someone understand. The answer is like a dictionary thick book and I don't think any answer will resonate with you.
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u/entropicdrift 10d ago
This is a process the Soviets called hypernormalization. It's an insidious form of propaganda designed to beat us all down with the never-ending onslaught of bullshit.
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u/Equal_Refuse_4591 10d ago
repugnicans got training directly from the KGB's successor, and applied it correctly
They want our nation to be as miserable as theirs and they've managed a pretty good job of it so far
Fucking traitors every one
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u/pyrothelostone 10d ago
As well as San Diego, which happens to be the home base of the pacific fleet.
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u/Steve44465 10d ago
Also been seeing bot/paid comments saying stuff like "who? never heard of her or Paramore" yeah sure buddy
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u/SimmentalTheCow 10d ago
A younger audience probably hasn’t heard of her, but Paramore was the shit back in the mid-2000’s
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u/damndirtyzombies 10d ago
Just saw Hayley Williams live last week. I'd guess 90% of the very large crowd was 20-30. She seems pretty relevant to younger folks to me.
She opened for Taylor Swift last year, and if you watch any of her live performances, you'll see the two fanbases are pretty similar.
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u/Steve44465 10d ago
Yeah maybe, but also I don't think younger audiences make accounts on news sites with comment boards lol
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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel 10d ago
Hayley and Paramore have essentially never NOT been popular in middle and high schools for like the last 20 years lol
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u/ShleepMasta 10d ago
The Independent is a right-wing company. The right relies on ignorance to function. They're aware that most people only read headlines. So, they ensure that headlines are unfavorable to the person they want to defame while maintaining enough accuracy in the article itself to claim plausible deniability.
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u/wizzywurtzy 10d ago
Because that’s how media works. It’s all to get an angle or manipulate people’s thoughts and views on something. Every social media and news outlet in America is owned by rich right wingers.
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u/biblioprof 10d ago
Ice has kidnapped over 500 citizens and crossing the border is a misdemeanor.
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u/Invictum2go 10d ago
I see nothing unreasonable in unleashing a profanity-filled response to anyone asking anyone else to thank the racist private army of the racists in power. But mayeb that's just me.
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u/aegee14 11d ago
Trump and his minions on this “say thanks” crap again? First, it was with Zelensky, and now Hayley?
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u/NockerJoe 11d ago
They're massively, blindingly insecure. They want superficial thanks because they want affirmations even though they aren't doing anything to be thanked for.
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u/Count_Backwards 11d ago
They do want thanks. They're also making fun of her and laughing about the lives they've ruined, but there's a reason why every cabinet meeting starts by going around the room and having everyone thank Trump for being the greatest president of all time, telling him what an honor it is to work for him, licking his balls until every last bit of shit is gone and he's ready for his clean diaper. It's because these colossally toxic narcissists are the most insecure people on the planet.
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u/veggielover24 11d ago
100%. And their base eat up the “thank the officer/thank the veteran” rhetoric, so of course they’ll be saying “thank the ICE agents” with their whole chest while this administration plays in all of our faces
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u/_game_over_man_ 11d ago
They need to know they’re little good boys, it helps fill that massive void in their soul.
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u/Wild_Appearance3859 11d ago
Admiration, adoration, applause, affirmation and attention.
These are the appetite of the narcissist.
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u/Mind_Killer 11d ago
“And may I suggest all Nazi bitches suck on my fat d***.”
A DHS representative did not immediately return The Independent’s request for comment.
I don't know why that's so funny, but her response followed by that boilerplate journalism line made me laugh out loud.
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u/Count_Backwards 11d ago
It's frustrating though, I really want to know how the DHS feels about sucking fat dick like little Nazi bitches
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u/Jethro_Tell 10d ago
If I had to guess, they are way into it but only if no one knows and they can shit on LGBTQ+ rights.
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u/Travelling_Turnip 10d ago edited 10d ago
“And may I suggest all Nazi bitches suck on my fat d***.”
It's true: https://youtu.be/8OEkf1Z7rV8?t=3244
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u/Safety_Drance 10d ago
My already high respect for her as an artist and person went up even higher.
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u/angusbeefymcwhatnow 11d ago
and she was absolutely right
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u/coupland 11d ago
“And may I suggest all Nazi bitches suck on my fat d***.”
She's very eloquent. I think she should put that poetry to music. NOT being sarcastic.
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u/YouKilledApollo 11d ago
Yeah, I could imagine she'd able to go far as a singer or something maybe.
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u/tehehe162 10d ago
She does have Ice in Her OJ and she's a cold hard bitch. I expected nothing less from Hayley, she's my GOAT singer.
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u/Propagandhi1988 11d ago
I'd say she was way too nice
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u/Omegasedated 10d ago
She did offer for them to suck her fat dick.
That's pretty nice.
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u/TheOgGhadTurner 11d ago
I don’t think there’s really mean enough
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u/nerdorado 11d ago
Fuck DHS, Fuck ICE, Fuck this whole administration, and if you dont like it, fuck you too.
oh, and fuck u/spez for being on their side.
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u/blackthesky13 10d ago
Nah, fuck /u/spez just for the sport of it.
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u/SquaredIndividual 10d ago
/u/spez, the /r/jailbait moderator? The CEO of the company that gave awards to the moderators of that subreddit? That guy? Can't be.
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u/blacksideblue 10d ago
He pretty clearly chose a side. He reached maximum ban-boner levels on inauguration day and unleashed a whole slew of new admin insta perma-ban tools right after that November.
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u/B19F00T 11d ago
After Williams said “f*** ICE” onstage during her concert in Chula Vista, California, in September,
she says that at literally every show for the last 2 years
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u/whofearsthenight 10d ago
She does. I saw her in Auburn, WA last week and she said "fuck ICE," "free Palestine," and "Christian Nationalism is the biggest threat to our democracy" like she has for a few years now. Let me tell you, crowd had to be at least 14k+ people, and that probably got the loudest cheers of the night with an already very loud crowd.
I know it's a self-selecting audience, but for none of that to be even kind of controversial with the crowd makes me think more and more we're not that divided as a country, we're just all way too fucking online.
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u/sethdetiago 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/MS5wPIciG9rjARgYpG
Did somebody not say thank you??
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u/ppstick88 11d ago
He's looking for a couch
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u/Puzzleheaded_Low7773 11d ago
Saw her this last Friday in Mountain View. Dropped a fuck ice, free Palestine, and Christian nationalism is the biggest enemy of our country.
And guess what? She's right across the board.
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u/omeganaut 11d ago
She has more guts than the entire democrat party in the house and senate
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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel 11d ago
I've found that people who keep repeating that all democrats are the same (and are apparently Nazis now, too) don't actually pay attention to what any of them say. Because while probably half of them fit the typical corporate Democrat description, most of them are often speaking out on things daily.
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u/Laiko_Kairen 11d ago
Screw anyone who says both parties are the same.
I'm a gay man. I have had my rights change three times in my life. Women lost their rights to abortions. Anyone who says both parties are the same is an idiot who is too insulated from politics for his opinion to matter
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u/kingofclubstroy 10d ago
They are not the same, however, dem leadership has repeatedly shot themselves in the foot and have catered to business interests over their constituents for decades now, resulting in large part to the situation we are in. There would not have been trump or maga if dems were pushing for and running on policies that worked for the people. You get incremental changes in that direction, here and there, but by and large both parties are beholden to their lobbyists. Dems are 1000x better, and should be voted for over republicans despite any ill feelings toward your representative, but they should not just skate by without criticism because they are the lesser of two evils, they should actually try to make positive change so we aren’t on the verge of electing a fascist every 4 years.
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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel 10d ago
You all say stuff like this, but then ignore the fact that after a historic voter turnout from young folks that got Obama elected, everyone celebrated like we healed the world and then everyone fucked off with voting during the midterms, so all we did is elect Obama and then let republicans take over everything else. Then 8 years later people said "well Obama didn't do most of what we wanted him to". Everyone is too caught up in this dumb ass whiny "fuck ALL politicians" rhetoric and spend no time actually trying to educate themselves on what a lot of democrats are actually fighting for.
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u/kingofclubstroy 10d ago
How about we stop blaming voters, and instead look at campaigns. We cannot really change the voters, but candidates can change what they run on. Y’all (moderates and the consultant class) have learned the wrong lesson from Obama. He won by a landslide running on a campaign of hope and change, and carried the house and senate to a majority with it. Come the mid terms, he wasn’t on the ballot to carry, and they did not adopt the same message, resulting in a loss and lack of a possibility of positive change to run on.
To add, a lot of real positive change, like a non gutted affordable healthcare bill that would have benefitted a lot more people, was hampered by corporate dems, cutting a lot of momentum from the administration and midterm results.
Y’all then think the thing to do is pivot/cater to the moderate right whose policies their lobbyists are more in favor of, rather than attempt to do what Obama did and energize the young and the disenfranchised to vote, which again was the last time the dems controlled both the house and senate.
Don’t claim to assume I’m not educated in what dems are and aren’t fighting for, or that you know better.
What was even the point of your post? To not bother trying to stand or fight for anything? Are you suggesting the best candidate is one where most of the base plugs their nose as they vote for the lesser of two evils?
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u/VSWR_on_Christmas 11d ago
In my experience, the "both sides" arguments usually come out after I've cornered the other person on some indefensible BS that they support. 9/10 times it's a Republican saying it.
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u/PocketSurprises 10d ago
Plenty of tankie lefties will parrot that same sentiment, don’t be fooled. The call is coming from within our own house a lot of times unfortunately
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u/WASD_click 11d ago
Especially because the right-wing ownership of most mainstream news networks supresses repudiation because "local politican disagrees with politician from opposing party" is about as dry as news stories get while "that celebrity you like is starting beef!" gets views.
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u/Kile147 10d ago
The problem is that the Democrats are so ideologically diverse they essentially encompass 2 or 3 political parties. They are only together because the Republicans are so batshit that they need to unite against them. People say that the democrats suck and they are 2/3 correct, but because the Repubs are so much worse we are stuck voting for politicians who are milquetoast at best and "moderate Republicans" at worst.
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u/GovernorMarley1 10d ago
They aren't "the same."
There both bad though. Liberalism is a right wing political philosophy, and the leadership of the Democratic party will only ever be just slightly to the left of the Republicans.
I vote for Democrats out of harm reduction, but it's a joke to pretend it's a left party.
If you look at foreign policy they're almost entirely in lock-step as far as goals, they just don't like how the Republicans message it.
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u/TheNatural14063 10d ago
It wasn't the Democrats cutting foreign aid through USAID which is leading to and has lead to a lot of harm. It wasn't the Democrats cozying up to Putin like Trump has and backstabbing Ukraine to the extent Trump has. It wasn't Democrats slapping all these extra tarriffs on countries like Trump has. It wasn't Democrats who got us into a war with Iran. It wasn't Democrats who are starting conflicts with our European allies. It wasn't Democrats threatening to take Greenland and fighting with Canada over Lake Ontario.
There are considerable differences
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u/jibishot 10d ago
Ill bite.
It wasnt the democrats cutting aid. It was the dems not defending healthcare. It wasnt the dems cozing up to putin but cozying up to Bibi and israel. It wasnt dems slapping these tarriffs, it was dems refusing to raise corporate taxes or taxes on billionaires. It wasnt dems who got us into a war with iran - it was israel and the dems endless support of their warfronts. It wasnt democrars starting issues with our european counterparts, thats the cias job. It was the cia who tookover venezula and suggestes greenland. that would of happened under dems too, just wouldnt of reached the light of day for good reason. Insane idea - but thats what the cia does.
So yes, but also the gov't actions are fucked with a dem in power as well. We get some soft social benifits though, but no money changes or hard effects.
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u/Jorfogit Spotify 11d ago
I've found that people who keep repeating that all democrats are the same
They're not all the same - most democratic voters are decent people, just roughly half of the elected Democrats in the House and Senate are absolute shitheels. The "leadership" of both Schumer and Jefferies is clearly feckless at best, because the alternative is that they fully support things like ICE and Israel.
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u/Strykerz3r0 11d ago
Out of curiosity, what do you want them to do?
They speak out, but most MSM in this country is owned by the billionaires and don't report it or back burner it. And republicans control Congress and block any attempts at accountability.
Remember when DHS wasn't funded? Dems put out no less than nine standalone bills to fund it and each time it was blocked by republicans because they wanted to give ICE more authority. Republicans also blocked legislation to release the Epstein files.
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u/Psych_Yer_Out 11d ago
Dems agreed to increase funding to homeland security and ICE until Trump took control, then they were suddenly against it. They are not terrible, but they are not great either. Got to hold them accountable to mistakes, however they are CLEARLY the better choice for the American people rn.
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u/pentaquine 11d ago
Because Homeland Security under the rule of law is different from Homeland Security under Fascist dictator.
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u/This_Elk_1460 11d ago
DHS has only existed for 2 decades and should be abolished
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u/AdvancedSandwiches 11d ago
The departments that were consolidated into DHS existed long before that, so unless you're doing away with the enforcement services that make it up, it won't change much.
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u/arielsosa 11d ago
Well. They sre withholding funds and failing to support Democrat candidates in key races just because their are "too lefty" for their taste.
The Stablishment Dems would rather lose some seats to Republicans than putting the will of their voter for over their own ambitions.
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u/FranktheSausage 11d ago
To represent the people more instead of there corporate overlords, real change takes commitment and saying no to money
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u/MakeUpAnything 11d ago
It also takes 60 votes in the senate for anything not budget oriented, but yeah! Both sides are the same so vote republican or stay home until the left learns their lesson!
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u/danabrey 11d ago
I'm listening to a LOT of Paramore recently. Always liked their sound but never bought any albums. It's always nice to know that the people you're listening to are on the right side of history
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u/myychair 11d ago
Her year old solo album is phenomenal as someone who never really got that deep into paramore.
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u/danabrey 11d ago
Oooookay that's my listening for tomorrow morning sorted, thank you
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u/No-Economics7631 10d ago
i hope you enjoy it! it was my aoty of last year. so rare to have a twenty track album without a single skip, but she somehow pulled it off.
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u/darth_jewbacca 11d ago
I love how her music has matured with her. I dug her music when it first came out, but like 2013 and on is legit some great music. Daydreaming is one of my all-time faves.
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u/yuccasinbloom 11d ago
Self/titled and after laughter are phenomenal. Ego death? It’s top fucking notch. Saw her last night, seeing her again tonight.
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u/SpartanH089 Metalhead 11d ago
"And may I suggest all Nazi bitches suck on my fat dick."
Just when I think my borderline unhealthy infatuation with her is at it's peak she says shit like this.
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u/Homersarmy41 11d ago
DHS is worried about their rep on Instagram but have done nothing to bring justice for Alex Pretti and Renee Good among others now. They are still running immigrant conncentration camps in the US. They don’t think that hurts their reputation more than Paramore calling out ICE in a concert? This is what happens when you put loyal people in top positions instead of qualified people.
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u/Due_String583 11d ago
Anyone who supports ICE or is MAGA should be treated as second class citizens at this point.
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u/AbsoluteGote 11d ago
Someone just post the JD "have you even said thank you once" meme and be done with it
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u/KeesterFeester 10d ago
ICE is NOT law enforcment. they are trumps goon squad. essentially his fisher price SS soldiers
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u/BroseppeVerdi 11d ago
"And may I suggest all Nazi bitches suck on my fat dick" is a thoroughly hilarious response considering she (allegedly) parted ways with the Ferro brothers over differing interpretations of Scripture.
Although, to be fair, it's actually not inconceivable to imagine Jesus having a similar response.
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u/CommanderBly 11d ago
To be fair, I don't think anything in the bible says anything about profanity other than "taking the lords name in vain" 😋
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u/sherman614 10d ago
The fact that the DHS has ANYTHING to say to civilians is just insane. Conservatives love this shit now, but federal government overreaching into pop culture and pur society is what these same conservatives were TERRIFIED of after 9/11. Now? They LOVE it because at least right now, our government is actively bullying "the libs"
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u/dave8400 11d ago
"You should be thanking me" has been said by every single abusive person I have ever known.
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u/Weiss_127 10d ago
PROFANITY. God help us all!
Lock your children away. Board up your house. Start opening your 1980’s tin of baked beans in your panic bunkers.
Fuck. The. Independent. And. Their. Agendas.
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u/5050Clown 11d ago
"If you don't thank us, we're going to shoot you in the face and there will be no repercussions."
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u/SendNinjas 10d ago
I couldn't find a link or anything. Was this on Twitter or something?
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u/playr_4 Concertgoer 11d ago
I continue to adore Hayley Williams. And honestly why I continue to love punk and alt and that vein of music in general. I'm so sick of artists who are aggressively neutral about politics cough cough Ed Sheeran cough because it's "not their responsibility" or they "don't want politics to influence their music or audience." No. Fuck you. You have huge audiences, use it. Speak out. Otherwise I'll just assume you have opinions you know are awful. What's happening the world is everyone's responsibility and some people just ignore the fact that they can actually reach more than most.
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u/chompythebeast 11d ago
Only way to begin to show fascists our appreciation. Well, not the only way, but a fine beginning
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u/Kaasbek69 10d ago
Not really a fan of her music, but I am a fan of her as a person. She's fucking awesome.
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u/earthwormjimjones 11d ago
I think every millennial (boy, girl, gay, straight) has loved Hayley Williams since 2006. Legend 🏆
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u/Decent-Point309 11d ago
Has there ever been a time in our country where these agencies are telling civilians what to do in this manner? Honestly asking, but it sounds so fucking insane for the DHS to tell a singer that she should be saying thank you.
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u/cAptAinAlexAnder 10d ago
As if I needed so much as a single additional reason to appreciate this woman.
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u/Justaticklerone 10d ago
Of course they sent the statement to their official mouthpiece Faux News. That means it's totally true!
There's no such thing as a "brave" ICE agent or else they wouldn't wear masks like a radical Islamic jihadist.
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u/ClariceStarling1957 10d ago
This is why I don’t leave the house… she is 100% correct.
https://giphy.com/gifs/6XPmkX0c6Z868tLYu4
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u/M0DESTM0USERAT 11d ago
‘We suggest Ms. Williams to thank them for their service, not belittle their sacrifice,’ the DHS said
What exactly did they sacrifice? Their dignity? Any shred of self-respect?
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u/thedustycymbal 11d ago
If DHS wants us to thank ICE, they should just release a list of names and addresses of agents for us to appreciate and send gifts to 🥰