Paramore’s Hayley Williams unleashes profanity-filled response after DHS tells her to ‘thank’ ICE

[u/theindependentonline]

https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/news/hayley-williams-ice-dhs-paramore-response-b3062326.html

[u/jibishot]

Ill bite.

It wasnt the democrats cutting aid. It was the dems not defending healthcare. It wasnt the dems cozing up to putin but cozying up to Bibi and israel. It wasnt dems slapping these tarriffs, it was dems refusing to raise corporate taxes or taxes on billionaires. It wasnt dems who got us into a war with iran - it was israel and the dems endless support of their warfronts. It wasnt democrars starting issues with our european counterparts, thats the cias job. It was the cia who tookover venezula and suggestes greenland. that would of happened under dems too, just wouldnt of reached the light of day for good reason. Insane idea - but thats what the cia does.

So yes, but also the gov't actions are fucked with a dem in power as well. We get some soft social benifits though, but no money changes or hard effects.

[u/TheNatural14063 → u/jibishot]

Objectively "both sides" are not the same or close. Democrats would have prevented alot of the harm we have seen come to people. Some more examples:

It was Republicans who pushed DOGE that cut hundreds of thousands of working class jobs in Federal government and supporting contractors. Not Democrats. Democrats expanded government jobs and supporting contractor jobs over the years, opening up doors to the middle class for hundreds of thousands of working people. Republicans own that harm and the resulting increases in unemployment from the federal cuts and resulting decline in consumer spending in areas. Harris wasnt cutting these jobs and Biden didn't.

The BBB cuts funding to healthcare and education. Millions of people are losing access to healthcare as a result of this. Republicans are to blame for this. Harris wouldn't have done this.

It is Republicans who have pushed immigration bans by adding so many countries to the ban list, largely people of color majority countries, which is racist. It is Republicans who have stripped away protections from people of color like Hatians after demonizing them with racist lies (eating pets) in the media. It is Republican leadership that has seen ICE send to Minnesota to murder American citizens. Harris wasn't doing this and Biden didn't.

It is Republicans who repealed Roe vs Wade, stripping away abortion rights for millions. Not Democrats.

It is Republicans who are taking away rights from LGTBQ people. Harris wouldn't have done this.

It is Republicans who killed student loan forgiveness who killed affordable income based repayment plans like SAVE pushed by Biden, which has led to many people owing thousands more per year and straining individual budgets. Harris wasnt doing this.

Both parties are "not the same" We are in a better shape and all these people helped if Harris got elected.

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[u/jibishot → u/TheNatural14063]

As i said and agree; both sides are not the same. Its the entire last paragraph.

I explained how they act the same, but the outcomes are different. Come at me about thier specific acts i mentioned, but you can miss rest. I was not obligating both sides, but the mirror of what the op commenter said.

[u/quiddity55 → u/jibishot]

“Some social benefits”
You are so privileged you can’t even see it.
Don’t ever pretend you care about trans people/minorities if you cannot see the absolute difference this administration is in comparison to the democrats.

You might be closing your eyes (and saying but the democrats are bad toooo) as they remove all protections for trans people, lock brown people up without due process and disenfranchise minority voters through executive action.

But sure. That’s just “some social benefits” to you

[u/jibishot → u/quiddity55]

Yes. My specific right to leave the country and return safley was directly threatened by a "new" president after the dems had had all power.

That is what i mean by soft social benifits. They were taken away instantly by a new administration.. that shouldnt be able to happen. Dems should of secured our rights in 2020.

[u/quiddity55 → u/jibishot]

All the power? They had a narrow majority for two years and lost the house. And more importantly, Trump put in THREE conservative supreme court justices in his first term.

And they still managed to put out some of the best bills this country has seen. If you think there is some magic legislation that can make republicans not do evil things when they are in office, I'd love to actually know what that is. Trump does not care about the law, the constitution or anything. The Voting Rights Act was a law. Trump's supreme court demolished it.

All social benefits are changeable. If there is such a huge swing from one admin to the other, then it should be even more clear to you that these two parties are not the same

[u/MadameFoxAdventures → u/quiddity55]

Social benefits aren't easily changeable if they are codified... Which could have been done but Dems choose not to. Instead they left them vulnerable so they could pivot if needed or use the threat of losing those rights to the other side as a way to gain support/power. Democrats consistently and seemingly deliberately don't do enough to protect the progress they sometimes make.

If Democrat leaders had spines then Republicans wouldn't be able to get away with blatantly disregarding laws, regulations and our constitution. Dems concede so much its embarrassing... I blame them for all of this because over the years their message has gotten so tone def. There are too few of them who ACTUALLY fight for and care about the people.

Its like watching someone get abused and not doing anything about it and then saying, "Well I wasn't the one doing the abusing so I'm not at fault." Sure, I guess but it doesn't make you a good person and I still blame you for allowing it to continue. Same with Democrats...

We could have possibly avoided this Trump nonsense if they had not disillusioned voters (especially young ones) during the primary when Bearnie won the vote and the Democratic leaders vetoed in favor of Hillary.

The magical legislation you are looking for is called election reform because our process is a joke. We should have at least implemented ranked voting ages ago but that would threaten the eternal struggle for power we currently have and neither side wants that, lest they actually have to be held accountable or listen to their constituents to continue being relevant. However, I fear it may be too late for us depending on how the near future plays out...

[u/quiddity55 → u/MadameFoxAdventures]

Lmao of course you are a “democrats sabotaged Bernie person”. He lost, you sound just as bad as MAGA 2020 election deniers.

And again, Hillary losing led to THREE conservative supreme court justices being appointed. How can you secure any of our rights with a Supreme Court that can just nullify everything? With a president that can just blatantly disregard all laws. Which is legal now too by the way by that same Supreme Court that gave him absolute criminal immunity while he’s president

I’ve seen the stats of how many Bernie supporters voted for Trump. Maybe you didn’t but it’s people like you for why this country is in this mess

[u/MadameFoxAdventures → u/quiddity55]

Thank you for challenging me and making me look it all up. Back then I was just starting to pay attention to politics more but I was clearly mislead to a degree. He was somewhat sabotaged (the email scandal proves that) but it definitely did not go down as I remembered.

I did vote for Hillary because I'm not a complete idiot, I was just young and fairly new to it all. As for what is happening now after a decade of absolute BS, I do my best to look into things but it has definitely gotten harder with all this AI, bot and misinformation nonsense.

I am constantly infuriated by the absolute insanity that is happening. Why is no one doing anything about each of these breaches? How did we let it happen? Why is it even allowed for the president choose biased judges? As in, it shouldn't even be their job to appoint them, that seems like it is just asking for abuse of the system at some point. Mitch McConnel should be in prison for holding up Obama's right to appoint a Judge when there was a vacancy during his term.

How do we not have emergency protocols as citizens to overthrow a president who is blatantly breaking multiple laws and disregarding our Constitution? I'm talking above and beyond impeachment because clearly that method is a joke. All of these corrupt individuals should never see the light of day for the amount of pain, suffering and overall damage they have caused.

EDIT: It was bad enough when Trump was president the first time but I can't quite believe it happened in a kosher way the second time... especially when they all but outright admitted it. Why was that not the very first thing to end it all?

[u/quiddity55 → u/MadameFoxAdventures]

Hey totally sympathize with that and I apologize for being a bit rude. Lord knows I've been wrong many times on the internet lol. I just get more and more frustrated the way the entire media acts as if democrats are the only ones that are treated with any agency. They literally get blamed for everything from both sides.

Its why Republicans win. They might have their own infighting, but when it comes to election day they know who to vote for. Re: Bernie voters, its estimated that some 12% of people that voted for Bernie voted for Trump. That election was razor thin, it absolutely was a deciding factor along with all the narratives going on during the time about how both of them were equally bad. I will never forgive South Park for their Turd sandwich episode even if they realized they were so so wrong now.

As for Trump running and winning a second time, I dont know what to say. Its an indictment of the character of our country honestly. The one thing I will blame the dems/Biden for is choosing Merrick Garland as his AG. He dragged his feet for 4 years on prosecuting Trump. Jan 6th was so heinous in ways I dont think most americans even realize, the worst stuff happened well before that actual day with the scheme Trump and his lawyers cooked up that it is insane that no one got prosecuted for it.

That said, it doesn't excuse the American public from voting him in a second time. And yes I consider not showing up to vote to Kamala/voting third party just as bad as voting for Trump who so obviously needed to be defeated. At some point we have to take some responsibility over who we vote for and who we dont show up for.