r/Music • 📰People Magazine • 1d ago

article A$AP Rocky Reveals His Stance on AI Music as Rapper Says He Prefers to Do Things ‘Practically’

https://people.com/asap-rocky-reveals-his-stance-on-ai-music-prefers-to-do-things-practically-12176151?utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_content=post
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u/Confident-Visual7651 1d ago

If you need A.I to make music I’m going to pass on that 100% of the time.

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u/sushisection 1d ago

even grimes is like "nah i dont need ai".. FCKING GRIMES DIDNT EVEN USE AI

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u/Bromigo112 1d ago edited 3m ago

Fair, but are you sure that you’re always going to be able to detect what is AI music and what is not? Most people can’t.

Edit: why the downvotes for calling out a fact? Y’all are comical sometimes.

Edit 2: your downvotes only make me stronger

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u/AttonJRand 21h ago

Why do people act like this is so important?

There are plenty of things in my life I am against that I might not notice. I mean you could have literal shit in your food and not notice it, does that make it an okay thing to do?

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u/dmontron 12h ago

This is the correct analogy.

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u/Bromigo112 20h ago edited 19h ago

I’m just saying that the average person cannot detect if a song is AI generated or if AI was used anywhere in its process of creation. This person is saying that they are giving a hard pass to any AI generated music and all I’m saying is that there is a good chance in the future that they are going to like music in the future that probably has some level of AI involved even if they are unaware of it. So them hard passing on it 100% of the time is only as good as their ability to actually detect it. And what happens if they like a song but then they find out later that AI was used to make it? They can decide after that they don’t actually like it due to their moral principles but again, their hard passing is only as good as their ability to detect it.

Edit: your analogy is not equivalent whatsoever btw. Food having literal shit in it is not the same as AI being used to create music. It’s more like saying that you don’t like your food because it’s processed or factory farmed.

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u/iansmash 9h ago

You just don’t understand enough about the music industry and how it works to understand what the problem is

It’s not about what it sounds like

It’s about how it was made

Like the shit in your food comment earlier

Or blood diamonds

Or like. The us economy.

Pro AI art is the new all lives matter

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u/Bromigo112 4m ago

lol you don’t know shit about my understanding of the music industry. And get out of here with the “how it was made” bullshit. Constant false equivalences. And my dialogue isn’t pro AI art, it’s more expressing curiosity about it more than anything. Reddit just has a hate boner for anything AI so folks can’t have a reasonable conversation about anything to do with it.

Here’s something you don’t know about the music industry - it’s already using it whether you like it or not. Producers are incorporating it into their processes to be more efficient, but again there is a spectrum here and a difference between using suno and using it as an assistant on individual elements of a song.

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u/iansmash 1m ago

You sound like you’re still damp from childbirth

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u/Sirtriplenipple 14h ago

It is literal shit. I don’t see a difference.

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u/Blizxy 19h ago

Reddit is pretty anti AI even if you have a reasonable take

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u/JVIesmerized 8h ago

Its almost like your opinion is in the minority, because its unethical to the creation of real art.

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u/Bromigo112 19h ago

I’m learning that now lol

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u/WashedSylvi 23h ago

In practice you can’t tell, artifacts that were more noticeable on high fidelity systems are getting ironed out quickly

It’s easier to tell if it’s AI because of things like history of account and posting schedule. Human musicians don’t make an album every week, not for long anyway.

I append before:2021 to a lot of my searches for this reason

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u/turbotank183 23h ago

I would imagine for the most part, yes, because it lacks soul. But that's irrelevant anyway, you could think it's the best song in the world but I still wouldn't like it if it isn't made by a human. A work of art requires work.

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u/DonHarold 23h ago

This is the point that doesn’t seem to be made enough. Something generated entirely through a computer randomly piecing together styles and content of real art until it fits the prompt is a mildly interesting novelty at best.

But the entire point of art for me is that a human being uses their brain and skill they developed over years of practice to express something in a way no one ever has before. Even copy cat painters using their skill to recreate the styles of other painters have more artistic merit than a computer.

Computers are very capable. There is nothing impressive to me about seeing a computer copy human art styles.

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u/Bromigo112 20h ago

Ok so are you saying that you could like a song, but then if you discover that it is AI generated that you’re going to change your mind and say that you don’t like it? What if most of the song is “human” but the drums are AI-generated? Does that change anything?

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u/turbotank183 19h ago

Yes I am saying it would like it less. This is the problem, you're looking at it in a vacuum, in that a song popped out and you like the sound and that's what matters. I, and many other people, care about the whole thing. I want to know it was made with human emotions, I want to know someone cared enough to put their thoughts on paper and make a song. So yes, if I knew it was AI generated I'd like it less because it takes from the experience.

If you can't understand that then we could spend all day with you coming up with a ton of hypothetical situations and it wouldn't be any clearer to you why it's an issue.

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u/aspophilia 22h ago

There are certain patterns it maintains. It’s the same way you can tell when YouTube narration is AI.

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u/raregardens 1d ago

Not sure if that applies here…artists like this don’t need to use tools, but do because they are better or a lot more convenient.

The broad hate for any use of AI doesn’t make sense. If you go hear a DJ today, you’re most likely listening to some music processed by AI through use of stems to isolate vocals, instrumentals etc. They allow cleaner and more creative mixing than blunt frequency controls.

It should be about how people use these tools, and not if they use them.

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u/sea_stones 1d ago

I dunno if people think about the distinction of using AI to process something versus letting AI generate it. AI stem splitting is, to me, validly useful.

I am against full generation of songs because that's just defeating the purpose of art to me. (Tho I also realize that some people treat music as a disposable commodity rather than art, so...)

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u/raregardens 1d ago edited 1d ago

I would be interested to know. Social media comment sections aren’t a great place for nuance unfortunately. Would rather someone tell me what’s wrong with a DJ isolating vocals in a song for their mix with AI than reply with emotional downvotes and hate filled responses.

I agree outsourcing your brain to AI to generate the Art for you defeats the entire purpose. Jim Cameron’s comments basically tracks with what you said. It will be used for tools in his movies to help make tasks more efficient, not generate the whole movie.

Now the haters can go boycott his films. But like, damn, if people hate AI that much they should probably get off Reddit which is built with AI and includes AI in the UX

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u/mcpaddy 1d ago

How's that boot taste

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u/Bromigo112 20h ago

I don’t know why you’re getting so downvoted. It’s probably because tons of people here don’t actually produce music and know nothing about the process and how AI was already being used to remove artifacts and to automate mixing and mastering sometimes. I think that falls under a different definition for people though, like if AI is used for the composition of the track versus the actual mixing/mastering.

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u/Leckminator 13h ago

Its actually because its cheaper and because their boomer management convinced them using ai is easy money

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u/Killahbeez 1d ago

what if you really like what you hear then find out it's AI?

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u/avanross 1d ago

“What if you really like a song and then find out it’s just a plagiaristic ripoff produced by a corporation using work stolen from actual artists???”

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u/cornweel 1d ago

Literally…like I’m not seeing how this is hard for this person/bot. By nature of the way it came to be, it’s inherently lame

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u/Bromigo112 20h ago

Do you know how much “human” music does this anyway? Humans still from other humans all the time and then either get sued or have to give interpolation credit. It’s why the major labels are suing Suno right now. But if/when there is a legal model for creating AI music - a model where the output somehow gives credit to the artists that the model/output was trained on - will it then be okay to like AI music? If an artist says “hey, folks can use AI that was trained using this song as long as I get credit and paid”, will it then be okay?

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u/Xepherxv 9h ago

Sample culture is nothing like machines coming in and trying to make a sellable product for the lazy artist

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u/Bromigo112 9m ago

I said nothing about sample culture, but while we’re on the subject, AI is literally just super charged sample culture. You obviously could argue that it’s lazy. The issue is that the samples that it’s using are not its own IP, but then again sample culture never really cares about IP anyway. Sample culture is a person taking a sample of another track and using it to make a new track. What makes that different than an AI doing it besides a human doing it versus an LLM?

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u/stev_mempers 1d ago

Then you reject it and move on.

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u/Killahbeez 1d ago

the best song you've ever heard

the song of the summer, everybody in the whole world is on the same vibe at that moment

but you're gonna abstain? deny yourself? for what?

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u/666tm 22h ago

This is an insanely embarrassing take because it reveals so much about you

  1. People who are principled are completely fine with denying themselves shallow pleasures in accordance with their values. Do you sit around eating McDonalds and candy because it’s yummy?

  2. There’s a negative correlation between music quality and accessibility/commercial success. If the “entire world is on a vibe” with a song it’s probably some NPC slop garbage that’s marketed for the lowest common denominator. Are you one of those idiots that sat around listening to Gangnam Style and Astronaut in the Ocean when they topped the global charts? I don’t really enjoy that kind of music 😂

Fucking hell what dimwitted worldview

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u/Killahbeez 20h ago

this subreddit showed up on my front page, I didn't know r/Music was full of high school music snobs

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u/pokeyporcupine 1d ago

Because its not real. If it isnt made by a human, it isnt art.

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u/cornweel 1d ago

Forreal like…how tf could a person ever vibe that hard with something they know is AI…wtf 🤣😬

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u/trebasco 1d ago

Principles can feel good too.

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u/steve_nice 1d ago

I don't think I could listen to any AI song and think its the best song I ever heard. Its really just the principal of it, why would I want to listen to fake AI slop music, it's not even art.

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u/avanross 1d ago edited 1d ago

Youre making up a fantasy, and then convincing yourself that your fantasy is real, and then forming your real world opinions based on your fantasy.

This song you just invented in your head in order to prove your point doesnt actually exist

The reason youre having trouble grasping this is because you dont have any values or principles

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u/actomain 1d ago

Why would I give two shits about what the number one song of the summer is enough to jump on a bandwagon, in an effort to abandon my principles? Billboard charts don't determine my views nor what I enjoy. Think for yourself

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u/Ok-Call-4805 1d ago

If it's made from AI then it will never be the best of anything

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u/Mr_M0j0_Risin WRUW 1d ago

Let's flip this: you watch a crazy video or read an article that seems totally real and potentially flips long held beliefs. Then you figure it out it's AI and you've just been got. Without any further information, how do you react?

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u/Killahbeez 1d ago

your hypothetical is broken and pointless. you cherry picked this example so you can point to hallucinations, etc. So, let's assume the video was full of facts, synthesized into a profound new view point ... what's the problem?!

"you've just been got... how do you react?!"

hold up wtf do you mean just been "GOT"? does "got" in this context mean "encountered a profoundly convincing argument or alternative viewpoint"? I would celebrate it and be thankful for the new perspective the AI provided

But in any case, we're talking about MUSIC by the way........

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u/Mr_M0j0_Risin WRUW 1d ago

Of course I cherry picked. I'm trying to make an analogy that shows my perspective in a dialogue. I also said without further information. Just like if I knew an artist that used real intention and incorporated AI, I would mostly not have a problem with the project. If you verify all of the information (which you MUST do, or even use AI to pull actual sources, idc), then great. But you're right, we are talking about music, which I still think is a better example even than the one I gave, but I didn't want to limit my scope. Understanding this is completely subjective, music to me is a human experience. The more generative it is, the less I can get behind it. Just like I could be blindsided by someone being believably two faced, or even just omitting the full truth.

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u/SirDunkMcNugget 1d ago

Principle.

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u/dj92wa 1d ago

The best liquid I’ve ever had was an alcoholic beverage done up with dandelion syrup and all sorts of delicate flavors that really balanced each other. I don’t drink. So, yes, I am going to abstain and deny myself because I have principles.

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u/NogaraCS 1d ago

Please for the love of god develop a personality

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u/xavPa-64 1d ago

That’s one big ol’ load o’ “if” ya got there!

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u/CaptCaCa 1d ago

You should google Timbalands AI artist failure, people dont want 1s and 0s singing to them, some soulless bullshit

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u/Gramage 1d ago edited 1d ago

The most popular songs in the world are usually shit lmao. Lab tested to be the most palatable to the most people. The Big Macs and Whoppers of music. I don’t care if “everybody in the whole world is on the same vibe” if it’s not MY vibe.

But those are still music. They’re bland shitty music but still music. AI “music” is not art. Art requires conscious, intentional thought, feeling and action and AI can’t do that.

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u/stev_mempers 1d ago

Because it's shit. AI will never produce anything genuinely great.

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u/makemeking706 1d ago

I couldn't tell you want the song of the summer was for the last 20 summers. 

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u/R_V_Z 1d ago

I don't listen to artists whose music I like who are bad people people I don't want to support bad people, why would I not do the same for AI?

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u/Nickadial 1d ago

You’re lost man

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u/Leckminator 13h ago

Best dessert youve ever ate, talk of the town, tastes like the best thing ever. Then the chef comes over and tells you its 90% made of human shit and piss, would you still eat it and like it??

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u/lynchcontraideal 1d ago

All this contrarianism from you, and for what? To seem cool on reddit?

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u/ZeePirate 1d ago

If that’s your logic on things. Don’t ever use drugs.

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u/_ravenclaw 1d ago

What if you really like what you’re eating and find out it’s human? Lmao

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u/SunriseSurprise 1d ago

It being called Soylent Green should've been a clue

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u/Ok-Call-4805 1d ago

Dee? Charlie? Is that you?

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u/Philly514 1d ago

hahaha, don't fall asleep around that guy

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u/BuzzkillMcGillicuddy 1d ago

Apparently we smell like pork when cooked

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u/megalodondon 1d ago

Yes! In some cultures they referred to human flesh as 'long pig'

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u/xavPa-64 1d ago

It would change my perception of the song and I’d become hyper-focused on uncanniness of it

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u/beineken 1d ago

Thank you for actually answering the question lol

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u/lakewood13 Rock & Roll 1d ago

Then you go find all the bands that the AI stole from and listen to them instead

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u/cornweel 1d ago

If I really liked something and somehow couldn’t tell it was AI until later, learning that it’s AI will completely and irreversibly ruin it for me.

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u/OMGWTFBBQUE 1d ago

What if you really like a painting but the you find out it was painted by Hitler? Would you still put it up in your home and admire it?

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u/Bromigo112 20h ago

Lots of art / products that every person around the world consumes on a daily basis were created by people that have done shitty things in their life because it’s part of the human condition.

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u/Killahbeez 1d ago

even if it was bad, a painting made by hitler would be very valuable

what a stupid comment by the way

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u/sushisection 1d ago

valuable to some, trash to many others. much like ai art

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u/cornweel 1d ago

I’m not convinced anyone actually values AI art tho.

I think they just insist on it’s legitimacy either to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian or else because they want to be able to feel like legitimate artist without having to do the work or have creativity.

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u/sushisection 1d ago

so the other day i was driving to the grocery store, and at a stop light this car pulls up next to me BUMPING ai generated christian country rock. true story. the guy had a WWJD bracelet

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u/cornweel 1d ago

Yeah I guess that’s fair. I forgot about the people I know that, funny enough, also like to crank AI gospel music…

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u/Killahbeez 1d ago

Nice try, but no. It would hold significant value based on the most objective measure of value there is: $.

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u/WeakEmployment6389 1d ago

What if anything, dude.

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u/beineken 1d ago

…it’s a valid hypothetical

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u/cheesy222 1d ago

If you’re fucking stupid ya

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u/Poku115 1d ago

Im not beholden to the sunk cost fallacy so i can just say "no thanks"

I was a pretty big fan of eminem, this weekend i took a good 10 minutes taking him off all my playlists and liked songs🤷‍♀️ Lifes more than just entertainment

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u/parker2020 1d ago

I feel weird about “on and off the drugs” by jpeg. It’s a sample of a future song that’s AI. I love it but it makes feel weird.

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u/Dark_Tranquility Spotify name 1d ago

the “Praise the Lord (Da Shine)” singer said

This whole article was probably written by an LLM. Pitiful.

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u/lanicorain 1d ago

y'all haven't been reading much music journalism because it's been this formulaic and brainless for decades lmao

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u/Officialedmart 1d ago

Michael Jackson, the “Thriller” Guy, said….

(lol, it comes across as so condescending)

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u/ClickSubstantial7321 21h ago

I actually laughed at that pretty good I wouldn’t be mad to see something that blunt in an article

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u/robsbob18 1d ago

Songs a banger but skepta just keeps the same cadence as the hook for his 16. Just can't do it anymore.

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u/I_CUM_ON_HAMSTERS 1d ago

He’s doing a DMX tribute with the cadence on this song. Who We Be, that’s why he raps “I listened to X, I peeped the bars”.

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u/crumbsalt 12h ago

Did anyone read the article? I feel like people are just saying the usual “AI sucks” without commenting on anything he’s saying. For the record, he said he thinks AI can be used well as a tool (such as to isolate instrumental/vocal) but he doesn’t use generative AI to make his own music and prefers to work with real people.

He has a good stance on it, especially the stem isolation AI use; it’s not generative AI and can be used for really, really cool things (such as The Beatles making Now And Then using that technology)

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u/Spaghetti-Sauce 8h ago

Stem extraction is mostly on-device processing too. It isn’t the same AI as LLMs in any way (adding on/agreeing with you)

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u/Laoas 7h ago

I feel like we need to go back to calling that sort of stuff Machine Learning. Had a lot less stigma attached to it

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u/ganja_and_code 5h ago

To be fair, "Machine Learning" and "AI" used to be used pretty much interchangeably, and if you were to make a distinction between the two, it would just be "machine learning is a type of AI."

The real problem is that LLMs (one specific type of AI model) have basically commandeered the term "AI" for marketing hype, and now nobody seems to remember or care that we also have genetic algorithms, neural networks, random forests, decision trees, KNN, etc.

If we just called LLMs "LLMs" then we wouldn't have this "AI" misnomer situation.

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u/chief_yETI 4h ago

I feel like people are just saying the usual “AI sucks” without commenting on anything he’s saying.

thats how Reddit works.

You can farm free upvotes by saying "fuck AI" without acknowledging anything in the article at all.

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u/SwingKey3599 7h ago edited 7h ago

The thing is the technology has been good enough. They don’t need that shit. That’s just a training use case scenario that makes their investors/executives happy. we have had the tech to isolate recordings based on the frequency spectrum (instead of just time domain) since like the 60s/70’s 

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u/crumbsalt 4h ago

The tech wasn’t this good before though, at least not from what I’ve seen. It’s not like it’s using GenAi or anything, these models are also using the frequency spectrum to extract stems and it sounds amazing. I’ve used it myself in fan mixes of songs and it has some artifacts of course but it’s really advanced now

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u/SwingKey3599 4h ago

they absolutely have been though. The software has been around the know how has been around the AI’s are using the same algorithms to extract the fundamentals. They’re just taking out the small amount of work that a human had to do to get rid of artifacts and they’re doing it themselves, but worse with the notion that bedroom producers will pay for it because it’s good enough.

You are essentially helping the AI companies train away a job that currently exists because it’s convenient for you to make your fan mixes. Which you do for what reason?

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u/crumbsalt 4h ago

Hm. Well I’m not too well-educated on this so I’ll read up on it. And I do ‘em for fun, mostly! Like, im working on a “restoration” of Pink Floyd’s The Wall, adding back a bunch of cut material and whatnot. I’m not too good at it but it’s quite a fun project to do

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u/SwingKey3599 3h ago

OK, so you’re using AI to help you do something for fun, you should absolutely not be using it for that.

You’re using it for the parts of the project that you should be doing yourself…

Not to mention, how do you think Pink Floyd themselves would feel about this project?

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u/crumbsalt 3h ago

I don’t think I could extract stems by myself without using any type of machine learning models, and for it to sound good. I feel like if The Beatles themselves couldn’t do it even given professional technology in the 90s and 2000s, I couldn’t be able to either lol

I don’t think they’d care? There’s a ton of em. Literally look up “The Wall extended” or “rebuilt” or “reconstructed” and you’ll find tons of em. I’m not generating new music and im not ruining their view.

The only thing im using “AI” for is to, like, get a guitar lick from a demo and splice it into the real song. Or to manipulate piano volume to restore it. Everything else im doing myself - splicing things together, picking my sources, like the chunk of it is being done just by me splicing things together. I’m not telling ChatGPT “hey make me an album” lols

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u/SwingKey3599 2h ago edited 2h ago

Brother, you don’t know anywhere near enough about production history or production to be talking like this.  “The Beatles” didn’t do anything. The Michael Jackson estate did.

“Tons of them” meaning what, their work remixed using AI or versions of their work that they had professionally redone by people that they paid?

Roger Water's criticism of the AI industry and of the music industry in general should’ve been the first clue that this position of yours is completely untenable. Don’t fool yourself they would hate what you’re doing.

If you know this little about the actual techniques of production and stem  isolation, then I don’t really think that you’re actually arranging these tracks yourself… you’re probably asking Claude to do it.

have you even actually tried to downloading isotope, eagle or any spectral software and listening to what their own proprietary algorithms can already do without asking AI or are you just trying not to spend money or time on work that you view as frivolous?

this is the thing that sucks about people that have fully embraced AI. They have no appreciation for how much work actually goes into what they’re making… and who the fuck knows how much electricity that you’re using to do these things. 

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u/crumbsalt 1h ago

I’d just like to say, I do put genuine work into this and im not just using Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, whatever to make this project for me. I made the tracklist, I’m working on what edits I want to make, im gonna make the edits by splicing and pitch-shifting and whatnot, all of this work will be done by me because I am passionate about this album and its music and I want to restore it to how it could’ve sounded before all the vinyl limitations. The only thing AI is being used for here is for something that, according to me, cannot be done without any machine learning tools by humans even if they’re professional engineers. I don’t have access to the original multitracks, yknow? I’m using this tool (MVSep’s Demucs, BS Roformer) to extract the exact guitar frequencies from an already mixed, complete song.

Now, you clearly know much more than I do. I’m telling you this based on some Google searches I made and seeing the capabilities of these other platforms. And you’re very right, im not a professional producer, this isn’t my job, I’m barely really learning about production. And im probably much much younger than you so you definitely have more experience than me here. But hey, if you can help me find a way to extract guitar/vocal/drums/hidden synths from a song, without using any AI tools, have it sound clean with as little artifacts as possible, and have the result be fully isolated from any other tracks, I’d really appreciate it! That would be cool and I’d probably learn a lot.

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u/tKonig 1h ago

Just because software existed before doesn’t mean it was accessible. This makes it accessible, that’s all

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u/isnt_it_weird 1d ago

A computer doesn't know what it feels like to have a broken heart, be young and in love, or be willing to sacrifice for love. A computer is never happy, sad, depressed, anxious, angry. An artist can take those emotions and experiences and turn them into lyrics and music. A computer has the second part down (how to write lyrics and make music) but can't experience the things worth making music about.

There's a reason a.i. created content, especially music, is lacking in soul.

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u/sexytokeburgerz 23h ago

I’m a long time computer musician and despise overall gen ai in music.

That being said i think the soulfulness it lacks lies in uncanny valley. These models are trained on soulful music. They know what that sounds like.

The “problem” is, we have a baseline recognition of what voices are supposed to sound like. And it’s not always so good at that.

But i’m glad it has that problem for now.

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u/TerminalVector 21h ago

It sounds like words but with nothing to communicate it'll always only ever feel flat or be stealing

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u/sexytokeburgerz 21h ago

The last love island season, a lot of ads…

I will say though, i don’t think anyone would be able to tell for the beats. Unfortunately it is that good. If you think you can tell, i believe it’s confirmation bias.

An uber driver of mine played some of his (instrumental) slop and it was indistinguishable.

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u/FuggyGlasses 1d ago

"Art is a form of expression "

Wtf is Ai expressing?  

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u/Aeroncastle 1d ago

The minimum denominator between what's already made

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u/Poku115 1d ago

The lack of talent of its users

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u/sushisection 1d ago

a prompt lol

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u/jjdnorthpark 1d ago

I think he’s referring not to the generation of music but rather AI as a tool to separate a vocal stem from an instrumental to be able record over it. If he takes the song he’s trying to remix and removed the vocal to send to the artist so they can then take his vocal and apply it to a studio version without the vocal AI isn’t used creatively.

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u/Ok-Industry120 23h ago

He just decided to speak a bit of rubbish

ASAP specifically meant tools to strip out beats or samples from songs. Which is not a particularly creative or value add part of the music creation process

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u/Bromigo112 20h ago

What if an artist uses AI to bring their ideas to life faster than they would have without it? What if a vocalist brings their song to life or creates a demo without needing to know how to produce? What if they write most of it but use the AI to fill in gaps like with drums and such? As in they use it as a music production assistant. Do you think the soul will still be lost even though it’s a human just using AI as a tool?

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u/airylnovatech 19h ago

They can do it, I'm just not going to like it because it erases intentionality with convenience, and I don't think people should make music because it's convenient.

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u/ccarr313 11h ago

Generative AI will always suck.

There are responsible ways to use the tech, that isn't generative. As an example, a company specializing in mastering software could use self learning algorithms to produce a filter to auto adjust levels in music.

That would be fine, it isn't operating on stolen ideas, or replacing the human element.

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u/Bromigo112 0m ago

You could argue that it’s replacing the human element of mixing and mastering by automating it. And I’m not saying it’s okay to use AI built on stolen ideas. I’m merely asking the question of if AI will be ok to use if rights holders come to agreements with these AI companies? I don’t think it’s that ridiculous to ask that question but apparently the rest of Reddit thinks I’m fucking crazy for it lol.

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u/Whaty0urname 8h ago

Notice on Facebook how every little event has that same AI produced poster? It just has that same vibe. It's like if one person decided how all posters should be designed.

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u/vinnyahhdiuhh 14h ago

Dude vocalists have been learning how to produce for many years before ai. All of these things are sheer laziness and a lack of passion for music. People who actually like making music don’t fill in gaps with ai drums and gen ai demos. Part of the greatness of music is how it takes work and skill and time and care and passion and effort, people who think like you confuse me heavily since it seems like you think all musicians want music making to be convenient and simple as possible when music absolutely should take effort and skill.

If you have no production knowledge, it’s not a reasonable excuse to use ai, it’s a big reason to learn how to make music if you really care.

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u/jimmyjohnga 1d ago

It has to pay the troll toll?

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u/Plusaziz 1d ago

Streamlining and finding efficiencies
https://giphy.com/gifs/A2UtW7iNfM7X8xvcnP

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u/snackdesaque 18h ago

There's a feeling of, craft and self improvement,  seeing the journey of an artist through time is special. Like seeing metallica's evolution from the 80s to the master of puppets to black album. Why would i for instance listen to an ai album when i can just make press some buttons and make my own ai album and poison some small town's water supply in the process.

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u/ZinZinZinZinZinZ 1d ago

we really need to be more precise as to what kind of ai we’re talking about. using generative ai to let a data center create a song for you and using an ai tool like izotope ozone for assisting with mastering are two very different things.

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u/Sundevil13 1d ago

Each step where we remove the opportunity for human creativity will incrementally lead to boring and stale “art”. AI as we know it is designed to imitate not iterate.

Tbf I have no idea what izotope is. Just my
General stance.

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u/kdmfinal 1d ago

Audio engineer here, izotope is one of a handful of “Microsoft office” software suites for audio. They make software used for audio repair, editing, mixing and mastering. They’re as close to a “standard” as it gets, not to say they’re the only one.

They’ve been integrating more and more “smart” processing the last decade that are supposed to speed up the workflow for my peers and me. Some of it works great, some needs as much tweaking as just doing it manually.

I use it on every record, though less of the “smart” functionality and more the good old manual processors.

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u/ZinZinZinZinZinZ 1d ago

if you’ve tried the ozone 12 feature where you’re asked to play the loudest part of your song and ozone uses some kind of ai powered algorithm to master the song automatically, i’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on it. how close would you think it is in its current state to mastering done by an actual professional?

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u/kdmfinal 1d ago

I have used it a few times for quick refs for clients but it’s heavy handed. Often needs to be backed off a good bit in each module. That said, it’s always a decent starting point!

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u/sushisection 1d ago

not OP, but audio mastering is an artform in itself. using ai to completely take over the mastering process loses some of that personality that engineers put in to their mastering.

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u/I_Love_Horse_Porn 23h ago

Depends on the professional. I used it on some mixes I did from some music projects that were okay and it helped. Like someone below said it kind of needs to be backed off. I went back and forth on it for a while but I’m not a professional but I studied it in college. I primarily work with Waves plugins.

Also a lot of people don’t understand what Mastering is. Mastering is primarily used to make sure the audio is balanced and sounds good across different speakers and mediums.

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u/DopesickJesus 1d ago

There’s “Ai” like Autotune, or something like a filter on instagram. Then there’s Ai like “make me a song with these words and sounds” and it generates it for you.

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u/vinnyahhdiuhh 14h ago

Auto tune isn’t ai, it’s pitch correction. It doesn’t learn anything or have a computer algorithm to generate or create, it has a set programming to force vocals to be in a certain key. 

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u/DopesickJesus 5h ago

An automatic door is a form of Ai. But in the classical sense.

I guess with our new definitions, you’re correct. Antares metamorph then would better fit our new conventional idea of what Ai is. Sorry 🤗

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u/ZinZinZinZinZinZ 1d ago

i agree and that’s kind of why i made the comment. mastering is a pretty technical part of creating a song and not a part where a lot creative decisions are made. that’s why most artists send their tracks off to a mastering engineer and don’t do it themselves. if they now use ozone instead i don’t really see a problem with that. you could argue that by tweaking things in ozone themselves instead of sending the track to someone else there’s actually more creative input.

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u/sushisection 1d ago

to pushback a little bit. there is definitely room for creativity within mastering. not everyone wants a super clean master.

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u/locoattack1 1d ago

Yep. Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures only sounds the way it does because of a creative decision made by the person in charge of mastering/producing the song.

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u/sushisection 22h ago

one of my favorite albums of all time is Thickfreakness by Black Keys, and they recorded it in a warehouse with really shit equipment. the album sounds so grunge and distorted, its great

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u/_Apatosaurus_ 1d ago

most artists send their tracks off to a mastering engineer

Which is another skilled labor job that disappears.

Every major economic shift will leave people behind, but we should at least acknowledge how harmful that is to those left behind. We have the resources and ability to use AI to improve lives and society, but that's not how any corporation is using it.

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u/Fiverumble 20h ago

Yeah I think an artist with the ability to get it done by someone skilled probably should. But if you’re a struggling artist, that’s a barrier to entry that’s strictly financial, which could be cleared with a tool like that. I don’t think it’s black and white.

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u/unusualknickknack 1d ago

this is what I was thinking too.

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u/fauxregard 1d ago

Great point. Huge difference between using it creatively, as opposed to just ensuring that the mix sounds clear on a range of devices.

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u/zannnn 1d ago

Agree, I was 1 shotting my mastering with ozone assistant before it was cool

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u/Enough-Scientist1904 1d ago

I think rappers are one of the first to embrace AI. The culture now days leans more to achieving the lifestyle. Most just want that catchy hook that will make them go viral in tiktok

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u/Abysskitten 1d ago

I mean hip hop relies a lot on sampling of pre existing music, this is actually just the next step. i could see someone prompting a great synth sample, cutting it up, and then adding their own beat and flair to it and rapping over it. i dont mind that, but not the 100% generated shit

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u/comradejiang 18h ago

Yeah, a computer doesn’t need to feed off real experiences if the shit in the lyrics is almost completely fake anyway.

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u/Numerous_Worker_1941 1d ago

I want my rappers who talk about drugs and killing people to take a moral stand!

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u/xXKingLynxXx 22h ago

He did though if you read the full article. He's not going to judge artists who use it to prompt full songs but he did at the same time call working directly with artists "the right way" of making music. He just says that AI tools can be useful for isolating vocals or instrumentals but he wants to make music the same way he always has.

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u/One_Competition136 1d ago

What does Ja Rule think about 9/11?

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u/Active_Account 1d ago

Do you think that a musician's opinion about music production is irrelevant?

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u/Past-Lunch4695 1d ago

Or prefers to practically do things.

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u/nopalitzin 1d ago

Pass. A lot of that shit was cringe af, I remember clearly, people back then knew it was lame.

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u/hangnail323 1d ago

buckcherry would never use AI

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u/clydefrog811 17h ago

This guy SUCKS.

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u/ProphetsOfAshes 8h ago

“Ai BaD” now give me my virtual validation from strangers for parroting this

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u/laughingmood 6h ago

He lost me when he told dude to stop breakdancing at his show so he could make people create a pit who weren't already slamming to his show.

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u/PleadInsanity 6h ago

We get it Reddit you don't like AI

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u/Bubbly_Teaching_6111 1d ago

Wouldn’t using ai to create music be practically making music? As opposed to actually making music.

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u/marinatedvagina 16h ago

I don't know why people are downvoting you. If you look at it in the eyes of effort and money, it's very practical.

As a creative? It's not practical at all.

Edit- But also the point you're making has nothing to do with what he says in the article

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u/theHonkiforium 1d ago

"The electric guitar is not a musical instrument." "Electric guitars are an abomination, whoever heard of an electric violin? An electric cello? Or for that matter an electric singer?"

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u/SeasonsGone 1d ago

The problem with AI generated music is that prompt-based articulation is incredibly lacking in detail.

If I use AI to “generate me a vibey bassline for this beat” instead of actually making the bassline myself, I’ve relinquished a valley of detail about how that should actually sound to the tool and it will make whatever arbitrary decisions it wants to about the bassline.

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u/Ball_Analytics 22h ago

know what else folk thought had no feeling, digital music (computer compositions), then at some point the same way everyone can tell what AI music is they could tell what Autotune was (funfact they couldn't).

You can't police every change that comes about, adapt or wither away or just accept a smaller audience. Drawing a line in the sand does nothing to stop what's coming it just tells the rest of us where you'll be it makes the inevitable leap.

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u/More_Hold_5522 4h ago

A lot of these rappers seem to love AI. Now they don't have to pay ghost writers.

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u/stev_mempers 1d ago edited 1d ago

Good

edit: Fuck AI

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u/digitalboom 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s ok, downvoting me won’t delete the ai out of the albums you listen to released this year I’m not a musician and don’t listen to much new music so 🤷‍♂️

It’s hilarious to see folks in here complaining about ai when it’s even in the latest Kanye music. Yall have been consuming it by major artists longer than yall will accept. This is the same argument people made about note manipulation in post production not realizing it had already been in use for years.

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u/PrettyYoungTiger 1d ago

Lol nobody has praised kanyes work since donda (2020) that contained zero ai. Even cartis dick riding fans were not happy about ai usage and would scan all his music to check if he used it. Music (art) is the LAST thing people will accept using AI for , which is a beautiful resistance to an inevitable evil.

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u/digitalboom 1d ago

People think they can spot Ai 😂 just by listening yet countless albums this year folks here have bumped have it and it takes Audio analysis to find but don’t tell them they are consuming Ai music, no way can they be fooled…

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u/Egglatz 1d ago

How's that boot taste

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u/digitalboom 1d ago

Are you a Crayon eater or plaster? Which one is it?

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u/Summer4Chan 1d ago

Or people in hobby/gaming communities checking and SKIPPING playing a mod if AI was used to develop it.

As a SWE, every electronic/online platform they use is leveraging AI now at this point. Most likely to a more vibecoded extent than they are willing to admit.

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u/digitalboom 1d ago

There is always the outrage crowd for every piece of tech, I have old relatives who won’t give up their vhs cassette collection.

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u/peoplemagazine 📰People Magazine 1d ago

TLDR:

  • A$AP Rocky says AI can be useful for tasks like isolating instrumentals but prefers working directly with collaborators
  • He says he does not judge artists who create fully AI-generated songs despite the backlash
  • Rocky’s new single “Shroom Clouds” arrives Oct. 16 ahead of Don’t Be Dumb: Disc 2

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u/SpaceCptWinters 1d ago

*AI summary

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u/reputction 1d ago

Too bad he doesn’t prefer to not abuse women.

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u/Nice_Resolution3258 1d ago

Who did Rocky abuse?

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u/reputction 1d ago

Rihanna

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u/Nice_Resolution3258 15h ago

Isn’t that Chris Brown

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u/Large-Excitement777 1d ago

He still makes music?

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u/Egglatz 1d ago

Yeah he had a pretty decent album come out this year

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u/wht-rbbt 1d ago

Ai music is fine. If you want to support an artist watch them live. If they don't perform live or can't, they ain't a professional musician

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u/Egglatz 1d ago

Yummy robot boot

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u/Officialedmart 1d ago

robot.. boot?

people are just having fun making stupid and silly songs.

the “ai is theft!!!1!!1!” are definitely throating the copyright boot though

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u/Egglatz 22h ago

Yummy delicious slop

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u/Butt_Sauce 1d ago

He makes music?

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u/Egglatz 1d ago

Yeah if you were more into music you might've known

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u/Butt_Sauce 1d ago

He’s not just Rihanna’s husband? Wow that’s amazing