“That line in the sand, was it even worth it? 'Cause the way I see people turning's Makin' it seem worthless, it's startin' to defeat the purpose I'm watchin' my fan base shrink to thirds And I was just tryin' to do the right thing, but word Has the court of public opinion reached a verdict Or still yet to be determined? 'Cause I'm determined to be me, critiqued or worshipped But if I could go back, I'd at least reword it”
Because the next two lines make it clear that Kid Rock is not the kind of person he was referring to, so people using it like some kind of checkmate are full of shit.
Gotcha gotcha. Yeah, I agree there. I don't like the collab either, but that clip from the song doesn't really say what they're implying it does. But even if they think it does, at least present the argument honestly and give the full passage.
I'm glad you got more out of those albums than I did. There are a few songs I can say I like on those lesser albums but he clearly doesn't care about songwriting anymore, just being more spiritual lyrical miracle lol.
I’d say it’s telling when the average person, privileged enough to do the same, isn’t there to help if it goes wrong for someone or is mysteriously still doing quite well for themselves despite all the ‘sacrifices’
Sounds more like “forget the court of public opinion and how pompously self important it is, I am going to choose what’s best for me rather than let myself be bullied into making the wrong choice by others.” Unless that was what you were trying to say?
Yeah, even as someone who isn't happy with the collab, I'm not sure how you can hear/read those lines and come away with anything other than "I think he's evil, but I wish I would have made my point more clear that I don't think all of his followers are inherently evil but rather that most were just tricked by a con man." I kind of feel like you have to be intentionally looking for something poor or suspicious there to take it any other way.
Then again, people intentionally reading what they want to out of things is the norm nowadays, so I guess I shouldn't expect anything else. Also convenient that they cut it off right before another bar or two that make it more clear.
No, i would respect him more if he was spineless and followed the crowd like a redditor. Integrity is for the birds, just follow the majority whether you believe it or not! Dont even look into it, cuz if you dare ask for clarification you will be labeled an "enemy!"
I always wondered how easy it would be to just pseudo-scam old boomers like this by being all ‘ah yeah im the Black Hawk guy, you wanna see me if you’re booking a flight’, then just do their work for them to find one flying, then take some massive consultant fee. It’s not technically a ‘scam’ but it’s misrepresenting yourself I guess. But it might work to get an easy, cool thousand or two.
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I feel like this is what Bukowski would be doing these days. ‘I stayed drunk for six months on that thousand, going in and out of rooming houses on the East Side. By the time it was over, I had to go back to begging and I’d fallen out of practice…
Your comment ignores reality, though. Em was already rich as hell when he did the BET cypher. And it's not like that was the last time he made his opinion of Trump known or took other political stances (like kneeling at the halftime show & coming out for Kamala in Detroit).
It’s weird how right-wing people will mostly be fine with you, even when you’re from some group you hate, but left people will be all ‘ah but you said this on the 7th of October 2003 so I don’t trust you’
He was friends with him coming up before they were both famous. He cannot stay friends with him even though he doesn’t agree with his politics? Maybe his morals are better than yours actually because he’s not ditching a friend who was probably there for him in life. So dumb that you think you know anything about their relationship and what he should and shouldn’t do about it.
Forgive me, I don’t follow Kid Rock enough, but what does he do to perpetuate bigotry? Is it possible that Eminem does not share your opinion on Kid Rock doing that? Meaning, he doesn’t think he is a bigot?
I honestly think… Kid Rock is not, like… he’s not FUN stupid, you know? Like, Em may have committed a crime by recording this song with him. I reckon he should get in front of a lawyer, tell them what he knew and when, so he’s not seen as taking advantage of this guy.
There’s something off about Kid Rock. Yesterday he asked me why humans aren’t born wearing shoes. That’s not a normal, dumb thing to say. That’s something a psychopath who’s pretending to be dumb would say!
Funny watching redditors give him shit for making a new line in the sand as they make a new one day after day as these fascists take over their country with zero resistance.
This comment has to be bait. Comparing Eminem to Elvis, holy mother of god. Their creative processes are vastly different, but if you must compare them I’ll point out that actual black artists never had an issue with the way either of them did their music. Borrowing from other artists is an indispensable part of art and music. Black people invented rock and rap, but they don’t own it.
What a racist and ignorant comment you made, ignorant of both of those artists, of music history, and of music itself.
If you actually knew anything about Elvis, you’d know about his close personal and professional relationship with Fats Domino, who he always attributed as being one of his biggest influences. Elvis had such respect and admiration for him that he didn’t like being called “The King” because he felt that title was more appropriate for Domino.
Neither Elvis nor Eminem ever tried to lay claim to an entire genre or steal from black artists without attribution.
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u/Ben_dover8201 5h ago
But what about the sand and that line that you drew