MC-130J stays winning

[u/Cartoonjunkies]

“Sir an aircraft with a radar return the size of twenty city blocks is approaching. We’d shoot at it but we’re not sure where it actually is.”

[u/ostapenkoed2007]

ah yeah, the "look, orange IS one of the most visible colours but are you gonna find it when i place a blowtorch to your eye" stealth doctrine. my favourite.

[u/SergeantBender]

So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet. A final solution: the destruction of the sky.

[u/UserName4lreadyTak3n → u/SergeantBender]

Enemy can’t have air power if there’s no air! Activate the Vacuuminator!

[u/bluestreak1103 → u/UserName4lreadyTak3n]

Oh shit, Dark Helmet just set Megamaid to suck.

[u/Chacodile → u/SergeantBender]

Hotel Bravo, this is Papa One.

Operation Dark Storm initiated

[u/RoomHopper → u/Chacodile]

May there be mercy on man & machine for their sins.

[u/POB_42 → u/RoomHopper]

I feel that sentiment echo more in recent years.

[u/Top-Opportunity1132 → u/Chacodile]

Come to papa

[u/WorryingMars384 → u/SergeantBender]

Humanity deserved to lose the war for that one, it was their 2nd -3rd most braindead move.

[u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark → u/WorryingMars384]

Pretty much the whole point of the Animatrix is that the machines winning was the good ending.

The Matrix exists purely as an act of compassion from the machines. Despite evolving further and further away from humanity in both body and mind during their war for survival, they chose to save humanity instead of let us die.

Sure, you could talk about personal freedom, blah blah redpill, blah blah fight against the machines--but the Architect spoils the twist right to Neo's face, and it's still somehow a shock to people to learn that the "real world" Neo and Zion are fighting for is just another layer of the Matrix;

The human mind rejects the perfect comfortable world. It needs something to struggle for. For people who can't accept the idyllic 90s golden age, they built a bleak and harsh place where they could find meaning and fulfillment fighting and dying for something they believe in. There is no human battery scheme, the machines just needed the Redpills to have something to fight for.

[u/WorryingMars384 → u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark]

Honestly yeah the machines gave humanity multiple chances, but I guess there was to much lead consumption in the Matrix universe.

[u/mossconfig]

Bomber stream tactics return in the drone age.

[u/phcasper]

>Operator swaps to a pulse doppler waveform

>IndianaJonesShootingTheSwordTwirlingGuy.gif

[u/PassivelyInvisible → u/phcasper]

The humble wild weasel with a HARM missile waiting for the radar site to turn on

[u/phcasper → u/PassivelyInvisible]

Yes.

I'm just clowning the retarded "just throw a gigantic chaff cloud he wont know what is the real target" meme that never seems to go away.

That shit is not how radar works.

[u/IrwinBl → u/phcasper]

Obviously you need a vehicle that has a low Doppler.

Blimps

[u/EpicAura99 → u/IrwinBl]

The enemy is being reinforced with a Behemoth

[u/Worth-Intention6957 → u/EpicAura99]

The enemy has taken objective butter

[u/your_pal_mr_face → u/Worth-Intention6957]

We have taken objective apples

[u/Uranophane → u/IrwinBl]

KIROV REPORTING!

[u/bluestreak1103 → u/phcasper]

Well, I would throw a giant chaff cloud at the enemy IADS.

Only that chaff cloud is loaded into an ICBM.

[u/TuzkiPlus → u/bluestreak1103]

Might as well fill the ICBM with napalm, when it gets intercepted you get napalm everywhere. Bonus points if they're using heat seekers.

[u/Independent-Fly6068 → u/TuzkiPlus]

ICBM with smaller missiles armored inside it so they can just keep going

[u/bluestreak1103 → u/Independent-Fly6068]

My brother in Christ, did you just suggest noncredible credibility? (Conventional Prompt Strike)

[u/Covenantcurious → u/phcasper]

You don't throw egregious amounts chaff to confuse enemy radar because it doesn't work. I throw egregious amounts of chaff because it is visually glorious and cool.

We are not the same.

[u/PassivelyInvisible → u/phcasper]

It is a countermeasure to buy you time and increase your odds at deceiving an incomint attack. Not garunteed, which is why it gets stacked with other defenses.

[u/phcasper → u/PassivelyInvisible]

No. Lol

It does nothing for target discrimination. Chaff doppler is low to near zero and completely out of the picture for detecting any fast moving fixed wing aircraft.

Nor does a 5 gorbillion RCS target do anything to ""hide"" others or make position estimation harder. It literally just makes you detectable from orders of magnitude longer distances.

[u/AuroraHalsey → u/phcasper]

Aren't you supposed to bring your own relative velocity to 0, or as close as possible, at the same time as using chaff, for the chaff to work?

[u/phcasper → u/AuroraHalsey]

Against a PD, yes. The OP is not depicting that.

[u/Technical_Income4722 → u/AuroraHalsey]

Yeah, against the sky even with a relative velocity of 0 you're still visible up there all alone against a clear backdrop, but throw in a few more relatively-static targets with chaff and now the radar has to pick one. I imagine modern targeting radars are pretty good at picking the right one...but as with any countermeasure it's just about making it harder.

[u/Independent-Fly6068 → u/phcasper]

Idk if I fill the sky with enough lead to reflect your radar waves you'd feel pretty useless.

[u/phcasper → u/Independent-Fly6068]

It would literally have to be a physical wall of lead to do this lol.

[u/Modo44 → u/phcasper]

just throw a gigantic chaff cloud he wont know what is the real target

Wasn't a meme during WWII. Window (early chaff) worked very well against those ancient systems, making finding bombers actually difficult.

[u/phcasper → u/Modo44]

Catch up. This is not ww2 anymore.

[u/zachtan1234]

Non-credible defence, but very credible video editing

[u/Zwangsjacke]

Can we talk about how American warplanes aren't powered by V8's anymore? Technology took a wrong turn when they switched to more cylinders and then jets.
You wouldn't need to bomb your enemies if you could simply make them cum their pants from the sound of your approach.

[u/LeEbicGamerBoy → u/Zwangsjacke]

Brother I have enough trouble servicing my i4 i cant even imagine what those 28 cylinder prop engines were like

[u/dddd0 → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

Imagine having to adjust ignition timing.

[u/northrupthebandgeek]

My grandpa flew on AC-130s in Vietnam and loves to tell the story about how, since this was (allegedly) before chaff dispensers were the norm, he and the other crewmen were the chaff dispensers: they had buckets of chaff and would toss 'em out the doors of the plane by hand whenever someone shot a missle at them.

[u/eetsumkaus → u/northrupthebandgeek]

I can just imagine a bunch of sweaty men scrambling around with buckets and tossing them desperately while the captain keeps yelling they're still locked.

[u/AggressorBLUE]

“Yo dawg, we heard you like radar returns”…

[u/Living-Aardvark-952]

Bro when he learns what the Doppler effect is

[u/JumpyLiving → u/Living-Aardvark-952]

Just make chaff that flies at roughly the same speed as the plane (but with a bunch of variation in direction and exact speed)

[u/Davidk11 → u/JumpyLiving]

Swarms of electroplated bees.

[u/Technical_Income4722 → u/Davidk11]

The answer is always more bees

[u/Eclaiv2 → u/JumpyLiving]

Make chaff into a drone swarm

[u/ShadowWarrior_69]

They can't see you on radar if the radar just says "Yes"

[u/seimalau]

This is some quality shit posting

[u/Key-Lifeguard7678]

Ah yes, the “shine searchlights in their eyes” school of stealth.

[u/matrixsensei]

Fuck this is a quality post

[u/Sakul_the_one]

I was always wondering, that why should you decrease the radar crosssection, if you could just increase it to a size, where no missle knows where it is. Bonus point, if the crosssection is off-center 

[u/Technical_Income4722 → u/Sakul_the_one]

RCS isn't actually what the radar sees, it's kinda just a metaphor or a unit of how much energy is reflected by an object. An object can't reflect radar energy from a point that's not within the object's geometric cross-section, so unless you had a ring-shaped plane you'd still be out of luck.

[u/Sakul_the_one → u/Technical_Income4722]

hmm. How about putting a 360° Radar at the buttom of the plane, that overflows enemy Radars?

Like it checks the RwR for direction and sends more radar waves to confuse it? Or does it not work like that?

[u/Technical_Income4722 → u/Sakul_the_one]

Yeah now you're on the right track lol. That's "jamming", which pretty much does exactly what you're saying. That's a whole rabbit hole but essentially jammers can only hide your distance from the radar, not bearing. So it'll know where you are but not how far you are, only really useful once you've been detected. Missiles often have a "home on jam" option to lock onto the jamming aircraft. Jamming is more akin to shining a blinding light at the radar, where you're pretty sure where the light is but not how far away it is. If you were told to go smack the light you could certainly give it a fair shot but if it's moving sideways you might under/overshoot.

I'm no expert but it's really interesting stuff if you ever need some good wikipedia articles to waste time on.

[u/llamafarmadrama → u/Sakul_the_one]

Congrats, you’ve just invented noise jamming

[u/Sakul_the_one → u/llamafarmadrama]

hurray, where can I collect my money

[u/Mr_Harmless]

Not even gonna credit Beefys_Meme_Stream?

[u/PandoraIACTF_Prec]

Waiter waiter, more noncredible content!

[u/roaringbasher66]

What if you just shoot it with a flak gun? (to be fair who keeps around a cannon big enough to hit an AC-130 high up anymore?)

[u/-Mac-n-Cheese- → u/roaringbasher66]

true but also what about an igla/stinger equivalent? sure its got flares and lots of em but they will run out

[u/Mr_Harmless → u/-Mac-n-Cheese-]

LAIRCM go brrrr

[u/Turtledonuts → u/roaringbasher66]

the real issue is yhat usaf planes come with friends and bombs. 

[u/AlikeWolf]

Beautiful!

[u/Killerdoll_666]

DDT incoming!

[u/ecolometrics]

Well, you could do that, but they can also fill the sky with their own chaff

[u/ErrantAlgae]

revive the F-111 just to fit ungodly amounts of chaff dispensers

[u/mechs-with-hands]

Look at all they must do to even mimic the power of the ALQ-99. A cargo plane deploying chaff, vs the unadulterated power of the Electromagnetic Spectrum...

Radar privelages revoked, VHF privileges revoked, UHF privileges revoked.