Yes, but death by firing Squad is historically a "honorable" way to get executed as a soldier. Criminals and dishonored soldiers were therefore killed trough a single shot from behind or trough hanging.
good point. I do wonder what the criterium for choosing firing squad would then be, given that anything that justifies someone getting shot is propably also pretty dishonourable
I think itās specific to the UCMJ that the death penalty for his charges is firing squad. Had he been charged with terrorism I think it wouldāve been hanging, but they didnāt charge him with terrorism for some reason.
While the guillotine is a French thing, the French also have a long history of fusillading (the French term for firing squad), especially in military contexts.
While it's absolutely emotionally damaging, it also has a long military precident, to the point that there's a significant amount of ettiquite regarding it. For instance, an officer being executed may be offered the honor of giving the order to fire. Whereas standing the condemned with their back to the firing squad is considered dishonorable (representing cowardice).
It is allegedly the solider doesnāt load the rifle the officer does and includes a blank. The firing squad knows there is a blank rifle but not who has the blank.
The fact that we need this stupid mechanism for people, soldiers even in this specific case, to cope with the idea that they killed a man, who was posing no threat to them in the moment, maybe is a good example of how hypocritical everyone involved with the process is, and why we shouldn't have a death penalty.
It's not. And maybe some people don't deserve mercy.
But, unlike death, it's reversible: death sentence is not something we can trust to an imperfect system.
Here's the thing, I believe in the right to self-defense, even by using lethal force, so I only accept the State to dole out a death sentence when the existence of the person is an imminent threat to the State or the people near them. Imagine we captured Bin Laden alive, it would have been reasonable to assume that his presence even in a supermax prison would have put everyone around him at a realistic risk of being attacked, suicide bombed etc. Fine, give him the death sentence because you are acting to protect your own institutions.
Same reasoning for a deposed dictator that still has a following, or even a Cartel Leader with the resources to attack a prison. I justify those cases as "self-defense".
In every other case, life in prison is enough.
Cold blooded murder is still cold-blooded murder, even if I won't lose sleep for the person at the other end of a needle, noose, rifle or whatever. Being against the death sentence is not about them, it's about me.
I donāt think we need to sprint the death sentence I donāt think the judge needs to car dry a sword (cause the man who passes the sentence should carry it out) still sixty years in prison then āwhoops we were wrong youāre freeā is that merciful or fair? Their life is over then. Obviously Iām using an extreme but as you said itās an imperfect system.
Anyway I think weāre getting too credible. Uh so citizenship guarantees service?
Not if you volunteer for it. Iām sure thereās no shortage of service members that would gladly line up for the chance to pull a trigger. Plus one bullet is blanks so there is ambiguity if you really killed him.
Really? A blank? Are you serious or is this a NCD moment rn? Most blanks i know of require a muzzle mounted firing adapter. Youd also likely notice if you handled the ammunition or fired it. I imagine i could smell the difference even. Im basing this my experience in the armed forces. we had red wooden plug blank 556 ammo and a quite chonky blank firing adapter.
That's how they do it for civilian. I'm not a gun guy but you don't need an adapter to fire a single round because you didn't need the compensation in the gas to cycle the next round
Oh that makes perfect sense. My experience was of the automatic kind š . Theres also a visual aspect to it where its important for exercise safety to see how the gun is setup before aiming and pulling the trigger at a meat and bones opfor.
Of the 12 rifles, between 1 and 4 are randomly loaded with blanks. Source: Ryan Macbeth video from recently. The protocol is old though - from 1944. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH36eP4wySA
Itās a thing with firing squads in the US in the past, ostensibly to give all the shooters peace of mind through doubt that they werenāt the one who killed the dude even though I assume most people wouldnāt care. The guns are given to them loaded, itās a whole process (or at least it was), itās not like you bring your own. Not sure how they account for someone who was able to tell their shot was a blank, if at all.
Such a weird concept. Tbh id hate the uncertainty more. Better to have it be a careful selected, volunteer only thing and with some sort of mandatory follow up with a psychiatrist (assuming its not woke ofc).
Edit: when i use woke it should be understood as a mildly sarcastic critisism of society today where a lot of perfectly reasonable things are called woke as a sort of slur. Seeking and receiving mental health help from professionals is a overwhelmingly a good thing.
They mostly use bolt-action rifles in non-military firing squads in the US. We've not seen a military firing squad for 80 years, so it'll be somewhat interesting (if not a bit horrifying) to see what they pick.
My money is on Hegseth making them use some kind of stupid gun like the Desert Eagle so they can be real tough guys
This is real, it's also the same with lethal injection. More than one button, not all connected. Standard protocol to let executioners off the hook with reasonable doubt.
This is wild to me. I really did learn about this today. Still feels wrong to me. I genuinely think the uncertainty would harm me more than definitely knowing.
Absolutely same. Either do it, or don't. I am adamantly against the death penalty, however if I did anything with that magnitude, waffling back and forth between if I actually did it or not would be worse than having to come to terms.
Given that they're doing a whole "honor and tradition" bs thing, I imagine they will be using some big heavy wood stock battle rifles, probably the last couple of good looking functional garands they can find in an armory.
Keggy wants to make it all band of brothers and high testosterone, so he will probably have the squad be wearing dress uniform and carrying shiny polished rifles and what not.
They'll likely go with combat veterans who have been in fire fights before, and it'll almost certainly be volunteers. I'm fine with this POS eating a bullet, but livestreaming it as civilian entertainment is deeply unsettling.
If you gonna cry about shooting a mass shooter, maybe the military isn't for you. Any real soldier would literally DIE to have the opportunity to shoot this mf
Every vet I know, including myself, would fucking kill to be on the this firing squad. This thing that killed its brothers in arms, betrayed his country, and broke its oaths is the antithesis of the modern military. He doesn't even deserve the courtesy of a blank shot loaded, he deserves to be strapped to a stockade and used as an artillery target.
I'm sure you could get someone to skin him alive on TV and feed him parts of his own brain. An execution is a solmn duty of the state. Not an opportunity for you to watch someone you hate squeel. That's what ISIS does.
Agreed. Livestreaming an execution is barbaric and the kind of shit ISIS did.
Once again Kegsbreath and the rest of the current US administration proves to be a stain on the reputation of the US and the rest of the civilised world.
They're not speaking towards the crime and if it warrants execution, they're speaking towards the moral authority of the state to carry out such an act.
I think it's almost trivial to say that there are people who deserve to die, but it's a much greater barrier to say there are governments who should be allowed to execute. And much less to stream it live on the internet.
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Isnt firing squad duty kinda enotional damage for normal people. Besides, whats wrong with the guillotine?