r/Oscars • u/geosunsetmoth • 1d ago
Imagine if You Can See Everything wins BP. Not only would it be the first Documentary to do so, I think it'd also be the first BP winner that...
... was a secret film announced on the day it premiered. That's actually crazy when you think about it. People in that Telluride screening went from not knowing the movie even existed to coming out having watched that year's* BP winner. Has the BP winner ever been a shadow drop before?
*In this scenario where it snags a win, which is not the most likely tbf but we're entertaining the thought
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u/NickdoesnthaveReddit 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's a really strong year for film imo. There's still some heavy weights to be released like Fjord, The Debut, Behemoth, Elsinore, Wild Horse Nine, and some "traditional" picks like Odyssey, The Invite, PHM, The Drama, etc so it won't break that barrier.
That said, if it gets nominated for BP - that alone would be spectacular.
EDIT Not sure why I'm being downvoted? No Documentary has ever won or even been nominated for BP. YCSE is my number 1 on the year so far, but I was being realistic. Y'all toxic for downvoting, fuck these subs man.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 1d ago
I really doubt the Drama will get a best picture nod lol I see Dune 3 in that mix over that
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u/NakedGoose 1d ago
Yeah the drama aint even in the conversation. Its been forgotten by the masses. The Invite kind of sucked it all up
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u/Red-Eye-Redemption 1d ago
The Drama is definitely not a "traditional" pick and likely won't see any award buzz whatsoever.
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u/TapApprehensive5900 19h ago
Nah, it's Primetime or nothing, The Drama isn't the kind of performance that gets nominated...
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u/DiscombobulatedGur37 1d ago
Fjord is awful.
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u/lostinthetrenches 21h ago
I have a hard time believing this as it won Best Picture at Cannes. Plus, I've seen almost all of Cristian Mingu's work and he has done nothing that has been even remotely "awful" to date. I guess I will have to check it out and see for myself.
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u/tjo0114 23h ago
If You Can See Everything wins Best Picture, in my eyes it will absolve the Academy of every shit decision they’ve made in the last 25+ years
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u/Confident_Range3376 11h ago
I can't agree because The Social Network not winning BP and Fincher not winning Best Director for it is still pretty fucking stupid.
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u/JailTheFrogs 18h ago
Unpopular opinion I guess but what are we even doing here. There are grand achievements in documentary filmmaking every single year. I understated the factor of how well this will do at the box office compared to those. There is a reason festivals have a specific board/jury to evaluate documentaries. Evaluating Wild Horse Nine and You Can See Everything are completely different practices.
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u/Interesting-Bit725 18h ago
“There is a reason festivals have a specific board/jury to evaluate documentaries.”
Not necessarily. Documentaries have competed in the main competition at Cannes, Venice and Berlin — NAZA just won the Special Jury Prize in Venice.
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u/burywmore 1d ago
If this happens, the final nail in the coffin of the Oscars being a serious award will be hammered.
Documentary's are not feature films, and should not compete in that category.
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u/VampireInTheDorms 1d ago
Documentaries are absolutely feature films, it’s just that they’re nonfiction. Being an entirely fictional picture is not in the definition of what constitutes a film
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u/southernfirefly13 1d ago
If an animated film could be good enough to nominated for Best Picture and Best Animated Feature, I see no reason why a documentary can’t be nominated for BP also.
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u/Own_Faithlessness769 1d ago
If you make anything on camera that’s over half an hour long that’s one the best of the films of the year it should be nominated.
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u/burywmore 1d ago
The only way a documentary is a "feature film" is length. They have no actors, no script, no costumes. The only direction is where you put the camera.
To lessen what actual movies are by including something so remedial as a documentary in the Best Picture category would be the Academy repudiating all pretense of film being art. Making a documentary is purely a craft. Quit acting like it's the same thing as a regular feature film.
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u/geosunsetmoth 1d ago
Oh man you really are unfamiliar with Nathan Fielder huh
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u/burywmore 1d ago
The awkward Canadian filmmaker who co-directed You Can See Everything? Nope, never heard of him.
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u/geosunsetmoth 1d ago
You mean the guy who famously has an entire TV show around the concept of proving that you can make documentaries with actors, scripts and costumes? Yeah that guy
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u/Interesting-Bit725 1d ago
Documentaries are remedial? What?
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u/jprov0451 1d ago edited 20h ago
Really....THAT would be the final nail in the coffin?
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u/burywmore 1d ago
Yep. Any pretense of art would be eliminated.
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u/jprov0451 21h ago
But there is art in documentaries. No different then a portrait or a photo of a historic moment. If its captured and tries to illicit an emotion from you, its art. The fuck are you talking about?
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u/burywmore 21h ago
That is not created art. There is a serious difference.
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u/jprov0451 20h ago
What's the difference?
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u/burywmore 19h ago
A photograph of a sunset is not the same as a painting of a sunset.
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u/jprov0451 19h ago
Theyre not the same but again you can still glean an emotional response from either. Some people may like the photo more. And capturing the perfect photo can take as much effort as painting one
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u/Interesting-Bit725 17h ago
A documentary feature can photograph a sunset. So can a fiction feature. Maybe not the best example.
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u/alderaens 1d ago
it’s best picture not best feature film. thats why there’s no rule barring entry for documentaries.
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u/Interesting-Bit725 1d ago
Documentaries are feature films.
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u/alderaens 23h ago
i mean yea but that wasn’t really my point 😭 I just didn’t really want to argue semantics. Theres a ton of other commentators who already addressed that.
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u/Interesting-Bit725 17h ago
Your wording separated documentaries from feature films, which is fairly crucial to the argument!
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u/burywmore 1d ago
There's no rule, because it's just common sense.
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u/alderaens 1d ago
common sense… for what? it’s not best feature film. the category has nothing to do with fictional vs nonfictional. it’s best picture. best motion picture. so, best movie. Documentaries are movies. What is there to not understand here?
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u/burywmore 1d ago
There is no art in documentaries except possible cinematography.
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u/alderaens 1d ago
i guess if you have an incredibly limited and exclusionary frame of mind, sure, there’s no art in it. but that completely ignores what I said. “Being art”, whatever that means, is not a requirement to be nominated for best picture. it needs to be a feature-length motion picture. which a documentary is. you don’t have to agree with how they’ve done their categories, but that’s what the category is.
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 1d ago
Documentary category is like having gendered chess tournaments (not the EXACT same; don’t @ me). It has nothing to do with skill or intellect or story telling ability but more about holding space for opportunity of documentaries to shine against block busters with big distribution, celebs, countless red carpets etc.
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u/Interesting-Bit725 1d ago
It was a secret screening at Telluride, yes, but it’s not as if the film itself was a complete secret — it’s been anticipated in doc circles for a long time.