r/OutOfTheLoop • u/theArtificialPeach • 7d ago
Answered What’s the deal with Andrew Callaghan regaining legitimacy?
I was a huge fan of his for about 3 years before the allegations. Haven’t heard his name since until the past few weeks. Seems he now has more followers than when the allegations came out. What did I miss?
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u/RulesoftheDada 7d ago
Answer:
Andrew stepped away, apologized, went to rehab, and the women didn't press charges.
He fucked off, didn't turn it into a grift with a major content pivot.
Whether people think that's alright is another discussion. But that's the jist.
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u/seeyam14 7d ago
I for one want to live in a world where redemption is possible and he clearly made an effort to right his wrongs. And his content does give many people a voice
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u/UnpluggedUnfettered 7d ago
We do live in that world. Dan Harmon is another example.
The thing is that very few are willing to actually take full accountability and attempt to make amends (something done, paid, or given to make up for a loss, injury, or wrong) because it is the right thing to do, unconditionally. Specifically, without any comments hinting they expect people to go easier on them in return, or acting like they get to be just a little bit of a victim then, too.
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u/ParaponeraBread 7d ago
Dan Harmon I feel like really only had his apology accepted because it was A) the very first decent apology for that behaviour and B) Justin Roiland’s situation took all the residual heat off of him.
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u/CheesecakeMilitia 6d ago
The key part of A that you're ignoring is that his apology was accepted by the victim who asked for no further retribution. This American Life interviewed Megan Ganz about it, so you can hear her side of things.
The Justin Roiland story came out 5 years later.
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u/UnpluggedUnfettered 7d ago edited 7d ago
In a vacuum, his sincerity wasn't performative, was the key.
Harmon responded publicly, acknowledged his misconduct, apologized, and asked Ganz what he could do to make things right.
He told her, "I'll let you call the shots." Ganz explained the lasting harm he'd caused and what his apology needed to address.
He did so without backing down from allegations or hinting that it should get him off the hook in any way.
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u/CalvinP818 7d ago
Harmon hit on a coworker and was a dick to her when she turned him down. He’s a piece of shit for it but in no way does that compare to actual sexual assault
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u/dubate 7d ago
I publicly admitted I was wrong and I have made it right with the people who were willing to let me, is the standard we have to accept.
Louis CK did this and while I will never support him again, it is perfectly acceptable for him to work. The line isn't about forgiveness of the act, it's about giving people a chance at redemption otherwise there's no reason to apologize and grow
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u/UnpluggedUnfettered 7d ago
His was different. Where Dan's effort went to make it right, going so far as dedicating 7 straight minutes on his podcast to break down specifically what he did wrong and how it affected someone . . . Making sure he was atoning publicly to a person specifically making sure they were satisfied.
One of CK's accusers, Rebecca Corry, specifically argued that CK admitting misconduct wasn't the same as apologizing to the women involved. Then CK went back to work.
I personally stopped watching him, whether he satisfied you or not is for you to decide.
My bar is "was there a genuine attempt to atone to the people affected, not in a way you were comfortable to save your own interests." Even if the women weren't satisfied, the efforts were way different between the two.
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u/KeiranG19 6d ago
There was a really good series of videos on youtube by a former fan breaking down CK's career, accusations, apologies and subsequent actions.
Can't find it right now unfortunately.
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u/GrunthosArmpit42 6d ago edited 6d ago
Was it the 5 part series from [Comedy Without Errors](https://youtube.com/@comedywithouterrors)?
It was very enlightening to watch in my opinion. Long as hell though. lol
edit: what the hell with the hyperlink situation? Did Reddit change or did I forget how to do it? ಠಿ_ಠ
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u/Known-Exam-9820 6d ago
Louis ck’s apology wasn’t sincere, and he went for the right wing grift shortly after. I loved the dude since the Conan days, but I’m fine with his racist sexist ass
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u/dubate 6d ago
These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.
Stop being fucking weird. This is a legitimate apology. You don't have to accept it but it is a legitimate apology, it admits that the accusations are true and that he was wrong. I'm not sure what more people want outside of it never happening but that's the point of an apology
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u/sacredblasphemies 4d ago
The power he had is that he was a major figure in comedy and if he blackballed someone because she didn't play along with his creepy weird fetish, her career could be harmed by it.
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u/kvlt_ov_personality 5d ago
You're clearly not as knowledgeable about the allegations as you seem to think you are, so what's "fucking weird" is that you'd respond to the person above in such a needlessly hostile manner.
Have you even read the original NYT article that broke everything?
In his apology, Louis implies the only inappropriate behavior he took part in was revealing his penis to women (after asking).
The actual allegations in the article detail Louis beginning to masturbate out of nowhere on a business call with a female colleague, without asking.
The article also details how one of the women he exposed himself to contacted him and he apologized to her via email for shoving her into a dressing room or restroom. The woman (Rebecca Corry) had to tell Louis he had never done that to her, only exposed himself.
Can you further elaborate on why you think his apology was a "legitimate apology" as you called it?
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u/Known-Exam-9820 6d ago
It wasn’t the apology, it was his immediate pivot afterwards. i was glad and relieved he apologized, but then he went straight to being an asshole, negating his fake apology
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u/UnpluggedUnfettered 5d ago edited 5d ago
“The most clinical way I can put it in fessing up to my crimes is that I was attracted to a writer I had power over because I was a showrunner and I knew enough to know that these feelings were bad news.” -- Dan Harmon
You can't get to an apology from "I did the best I could with what I knew at the the time." which is the biggest difference between the two.
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u/yungmoody 7d ago
We do live in a world where redemption is possible, and yet we don’t even require men seek it in order to move on. Most of the accusations in this case went ignored and unaddressed, and have had no impact on his successful and growing career. There is no evidence of him righting his wrongs or taking ownership of them.
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u/Xarlax 7d ago edited 7d ago
He barely made any effort at all. He made a weak apology where he denied most of it, and while he mentioned he was going to go to AA, he did not actually go to formal inpatient rehab. He just kept quiet for a while and then came back like nothing happened.
Redemption requires consequences. He is accused of multiple instances of rape, and the details are harrowing. If he truly did those vile crimes then he should have served prison time.
But unfortunately it's not that we live in a world that doesn't allow redemption. We clearly do. We live in a world that doesn't actually care that much about rape.
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u/GuitarRuinedMyLife 6d ago
Agreed. Other than apologizing, what has he done to right his wrongs? The one example I look to is Michael Vick: he never hid from the horrible things he did, and went out of his way for years to support animal rights vocally and in action. That should be the baseline minimum for people to re-enter the public sphere.
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u/WineInACan 6d ago
So if you can be properly incentivized into doing so with lucrative contracts?
Does everyone get afforded that? Or just the wealthy?
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u/GuitarRuinedMyLife 6d ago
what are you talking about, what lucrative contracts?
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u/WineInACan 6d ago
He made $100m with the Eagles? You don't think his PR tour was to keep the door open on returning?
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u/GuitarRuinedMyLife 6d ago
I still don't understand the specific point you're trying to make here. I would argue that with this level of money, he ESPECIALLY didn't need to spend time campaigning for the passing of the Animal Fighting Spectator Prohibition Act many years after the fact.
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u/WineInACan 6d ago
Vick filed for bankruptcy in 2008 and owed a lot. A lot.
At the point in time that Vick went before Congress he had a 2yr/7m contract.
Making himself seem palatable was essential to reopen the door to the NFL, and ensure that it stayed open.
And potentially sponsorships again. Like Nike in 2011.
And all the benefits of being a non-pariah NFL veteran bring - potential coaching gigs, color analysis, etc. All things that hings on personal image.
To say he was not incentivized is absurd.
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u/GuitarRuinedMyLife 6d ago
Literally everyone is financially incentivized to rehabilitate their careers- it's how they make a living.
I'm not saying that he did it solely out of virtue and ethics. But unlike someone like Louis CK, he owned the image of what he did. And I will always consider him on probation after the fact, but I'm willing to consider forgiveness for people who put effort in.
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u/Anternixii 5d ago
Redemption from what? What effort? Men will serve zero time, do a less than half assed apology, then portray having an excessive amounts of wealth generating public career take a slight loss for anything more than a week as society not allowing forgiveness.
Fame and fortune is not a human right. An effort to right a wrong would be not making your victims have to see your name and face plastered everywhere.
One man's 'potential' is worth more than multiple women's lives apparently what a shock. Sure am glad the people not affected get to say he's redeemed so they can keep forking over ad revenue and celebrity status. Wouldn't want to be mean to him.
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u/AbsentAsset 3d ago
You can’t be serious. Regarding sexual assault, we absolutely already live in that world to a fault.
“Clear made an effort”? How do you gauge that?If you arent one of the victims, then you really have no business forgiving someone for their crimes.
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u/shadowlessZ 2d ago
is consuming the content of a disgraced creator forgiving them for their crimes?
if you aren't a victim of their crimes is it your business to resent that creator on behalf of the victim?
those aren't rhetorical questions btw, I want to know your perspective.
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u/Count-Bulky 1d ago
You’re not talking about redemption, you’re talking about people being given a pass when they shouldn’t be. Those are totally different things.
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u/coolblue420 7d ago
exactly. the only ones I see still upset with Andrew have an agenda
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u/Foxhound979899 7d ago
Which is what exactly? I'm not trying to be a dick but you should be able to understand people can come to different conclusions to you when a public figure does something like that.
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u/ImproperHydration 7d ago
Ive seen almost every one of Vhannel 5's videos and he does not push that conspiracy theory.
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u/titjackson 6d ago
I wouldn’t say push because I only heard him say it once, but he explicitly does say he believes Israel killed Kirk in the clip I linked and agrees with the interviewee (Maggie?) when she says the trump assassination was staged. Like I said though, I only heard him say it this one time, he’s not “constantly” pushing it like the commenter above is saying.
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u/ImproperHydration 6d ago
I was thinking of that interview when I wrote the comment. He asked her what her wildest most unproovable conspiracy was that she believed in and they mused about it for a while. Nothing nefarious. Hardly what the previous commenter was implying.
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u/smootex 6d ago
Well I haven't seen every video and he very clearly believes some insane shit. He couches it all in "I'm just asking questions!" but there's definitely a narrative behind those questions. I don't know about those two conspiracy theories in particular (the Kirk one sounds familiar didn't he have something about that in a recentish video?) but they're very in line with his other beliefs, I would be incredibly unsurprised to learn the above commenter is telling the truth.
Mostly commenting because I find people jerking him off, going on about how he's the only impartial news source out there, to be infuriating. Media literacy is dead.
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u/ImproperHydration 6d ago
People in this thread seem pretty mixed about his past mistakes. You have a really low standard for people "jerking him off".
The only conspiracy that he's been pushing, as of late, is that the Epstein class are controlling the media and that the US is fighting the Iran war on behalf of Isreal... which seems like like a pretty tame and mainstream belief.
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u/seeyam14 7d ago
I’m gonna trust the guy that’s stepped foot in Iran and Palestine over some random redditor that could just be a bot
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u/youngarchivist 7d ago
In the world we live in, none of that shit is nearly as inflammatory or far fetched as you're trying to make it seem. We're dealing with the very worst administrations the US and Israel have ever had and none of these claims are remotely outside of the realm of possibility.
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u/dwpea66 7d ago
In case people think there was just one accuser and that's that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Callaghan#Allegations_of_sexual_assault_and_sexual_coercion
In January 2023, multiple women accused Andrew of coercing them into sex after explicitly and repeatedly being told "no". He made an apology video, admitting some of it, denying some of it, claimed he was gonna do Alcoholics Anonymous.
Next month, February 2023, more women also accused him of outright rape at Loyola University in 2017.
One woman alleged Callaghan raped her while she was heavily intoxicated, and later mocked how she repeatedly said "No" during the assault. (From Wikipedia).
Another woman alleged that Callaghan followed her to her dorm room and refused to leave, before grabbing her and sexually assaulting her as she cried and told him 'No' "at least three times". (Also from Wikipedia).
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u/direktorfred 6d ago
Yeah the fuck, doesn’t redemption require penance? Where’s that? I remember him going to a mental health facility because of the mental breakdown from his rapes coming to light, not to address the rape behavior.
Also, women don’t “choose” to not bring charges. Idk if the commenter you’re replying to knows about the Cornell case, but women don’t make the final call on that shit.
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u/NCBaddict 7d ago
It’s because leftist people like to hear what he says, so they choose to ignore the ugly truths. Saw folks go through the same cycle with Dan Price.
It’s really no different than the lies that Trump supporters tell themselves about supporting a rapist. People just stan for politics disingenuously these days.
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u/mcslender97 5d ago
Is Dan Price even active at all? Afaik he basically disappeared after the allegations
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u/BaconJakin 7d ago
Except he did just grift Hunter Biden’s shitcoin to his entire audience without their permission lol
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u/IamAWorldChampionAMA 7d ago
I'm going to give Andrew the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't think Hunter was going to do spam his list.
However, the levels of incompetence it took to give out your mailing list is insane. I unsubbed from his stuff after that and do my best to not engage with his content.
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u/Swolnerman 7d ago
His response afterwards about it was also bs and makes me think he knew what was happening the whole time
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u/IamAWorldChampionAMA 7d ago
Sometimes I feel it's easier to attribute an action to incompetence than maliciousness. Either way it was very disappointing.
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u/ty4scam 6d ago
Maliciousness vs incompetence only applies to personal slights you might feel have happened to you, you're not that important.
You know what is important to a lot of people? Money. If there's an explanation for human motivations, you should always start with money and then go from there.
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u/thismakesmesaaaaad 7d ago
and even in that case, he says the woman came forward just to get money from him. Proof
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u/KaladinStormShat 6d ago
I dislike him feeling like a legitimate journalist despite having 0 professional journalistic standards and instead more of a "man on the street" docu-style vlogger content than he is an actual journalist.
As much as he wants to claim that title, but then shun and denigrate the "main stream media" and its professional standards he's just a guy on YouTube whose videos show interesting things without journalistic editing or professional ethics.
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u/ezrs158 6d ago
"Gonzo journalism" is a term that's sometimes used for things like this.
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u/KaladinStormShat 5d ago
Yeah I suppose so. It sheds light on interesting things, he just seems too self satisfied for not being the "lamestream media" kinda vibe.
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u/baes__theorem 4d ago
where did he actually directly apologize to his victims, or even admit to actual wrongdoing? he said “I’ve always taken no as an answer. as far as consent, I’ve never overstepped that line” which is effectively denying & ignoring the allegations. then he tried to garner sympathy in the same video by detailing how the allegations triggered a mental heath episode in him. his “apology” was basically “I’m sorry if they felt that way”
where are his efforts to support victims of sa in general, if not for the particular victims (one of whom reportedly experienced a long term back injury from him raping her) or reform? he left for 6 months & came back with no further taking of accountability or demonstrations of change or attempts to deliver justice. then he’s platformed other (convicted) abusers like shia labeouf without making them take accountability either.
I understand that you’re trying to take an objective stance here, but your characterization of this situation is objectively false.
the real answer is that society loves to basically do DARVO regarding credible rape allegations, and they were looking for any feasible moral cover to continue supporting guys they like. him deflecting blame to a substance use disorder & leaving for a very brief period of time lets ppl ignore his clear pattern of behavior (starting when he was in college & continuing into the 2020s) of rape, other sa, harassment, stalking, etc
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u/RulesoftheDada 4d ago
I made an neutral answer. I never gave my opinion on the full extensive details.
Yes your concerns are valid which why I ended with
"Whether people think that's alright is another discussion."
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u/baes__theorem 4d ago
but it’s not just “whether people think that’s alright”, since it’s not an accurate characterization of the situation.
there is no such thing as a neutral answer. I don’t think you necessarily intended to do this, but your response manufactures consent for his acceptance, as it heavily implies that he did the necessary steps to demonstrate reform after wrongdoing. as I outlined, he did none of the steps necessary for reform. he didn’t even actually apologize or take accountability, the most basic first step toward reform.
also he did recently participate in a grift for hunter biden’s shitcoin, so that’s not fully accurate either
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u/RulesoftheDada 4d ago
My answer has to be neutral and unbiased and not picking sides. It's apart of the subreddit rules on top level Posts.
Again "Whether people think that's alright is another discussion."
"That" being the order of events,whole process of apology, therapy/reform,etc.
You don't think what Andrew did enough and there are people in this thread that think differently and therefore another discussion.
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u/Disasterhuman24 7d ago
Did you read the article ? He violently raped at least two women and you're saying he "apologized"?? He should be in fucking prison
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u/RulesoftheDada 6d ago
I gave a minute answer to fulfill OP that's unbiased.
I felt the need to say "Whether people think that's alright is another discussion. " To address your criticism.
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u/jamesdownwell 6d ago
> He violently raped at least two women and you're saying he "apologized"?? He should be in fucking prison
This was an allegation and no charges were ever made. He denies it.
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u/AlexVan123 7d ago
what do you mean by this? i don’t really detect that from a passing glance at his recent work
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u/smootex 6d ago
I don't mean to be rude but either your passing glance was really in passing or you're completely media illiterate. He has a clear narrative. He believes there's some giant conspiracy by the mainstream media to . . . I don't know, these dipshit's views always fall apart when you examine them a little too closely. A conspiracy to do something. There are whiffs of whole lot of other conspiracies too.
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u/AlexVan123 6d ago
wait so the “conspiracy” is that media reinforces narratives to push agendas? this is literally just how society works it’s not a conspiracy theory
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u/N7Starsong 6d ago
You are aware that all mainstream media is owned by like three people, right? It's not a conspiracy to point out that mainstream media all runs with a common agenda whose individual parts only superficially deviate from each other.
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u/bot_exe 6d ago
It’s funny how people seem to respect him more now because he “takes stances”, when I lost most respect for him because his takes are clearly uninformed and conspiratorial. He was good when he mostly just documentad real things happening and interviewed primary sources. Like when he went to the riots or crossed the border. Now he interrumpts his reporting by going on rants that are filled with poorly sourced opinions and clearly trying to tell you what to think rather than let the reporting stand on it’s own.
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u/yungsemite 7d ago edited 7d ago
Answer: Most people just move on. Chris Brown still sells out stadiums. Andrew apologized for what he said was his sex pest behavior, denied other specific allegations, came out as an alcoholic and started attending AA and other treatment programs. He stopped producing content briefly, some collaborators cut him off, but once he started again he’s found plenty of people willing to work with him again.
Edit:
Here are the other specific allegations, allegations of rape when he was a college student at Loyola that he denies:
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u/MacaroonNo2253 7d ago
The Chris Brown thing is crazy
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u/MissLadyLlamaDrama 2d ago
And since then he has been charged with multiple cases of violent assault. What is your point? That as long as x-amount of time has passed then its totally okay he beat the shit out of his partner, despite him doing absolutely nothing to make amends or even apologize for his behavior over the years?
Do you actually know what.the word accountability means? Or do you just not give a fuck about men being violent abusers?
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u/dwpea66 7d ago edited 7d ago
"sex pest" was a great PR move, particularly for a guy flatly accused of forcible rape by several women
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u/yungsemite 7d ago
Who accused him of forcible rape?
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u/dwpea66 7d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/YiZEaI0wHL
All the links there merit reading
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u/yungsemite 7d ago
I included the entire Stranger article in an edit in my comment, these are what I referred to as ‘other specific allegations’ that he denies.
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u/Luna6696 7d ago
Adding onto this that because he did take accountability for so much of the other stuff and pursue AA, etc, it makes it easier to believe him when he denies the other things. I didn’t know about these other allegations. Also, the fact that he does a very distinct, risky, crazy kind of journalism that you don’t see these days makes people weigh their opinion of him differently.
He’s gained more legitimacy because he’s interviewed HUGE people like Hunter Biden and people active in war zones
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u/Accomplished-City484 7d ago
Man the hunter Biden thing was crazy, I don’t follow the YouTube channel just the Instagram clips, but they were posting tons of Hunter clips, they had an interview with Hunter and Nick Fuentes talking to each other which was weird. Then all of a sudden Andrew is giving another apology because Hunter asked him for access to his audience and he just gave it, then Hunter spammed all those peoples email with some crypto scam bullshit.
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u/Luna6696 7d ago
Yeah I was super interested in the Fuentes interview with him, Andrew has a lot of really interesting / cool interviews. I want to watch the Colorado River video where he swims across the border to document it etc. and yeah the crypto thing was super stupid. Andrew makes plenty of dumb decisions lol
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u/Empyrealist 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'm absolutely not taking sides here, and I wasn't even aware of this issue until this post. But what I would like to comment as just an outside observer is that this is probably the most self aware response To this type of thing I've ever seen.
edit: I'm referring to Andrew Callaghan's "response" video featured in OPs link
This is the same guy who used to do that "guerrilla" style reporting?
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u/jamesdownwell 7d ago
Answer: I would make a guess that his original atonement, flat out denial of rape (as seen in OP) and no actual charges being made would make it easier for people to forgive and/or trust that he has changed.
To go a little further:
It’s important to remember that they’re allegations and the more serious ones (rape) were always denied by him. The only people who know if they’re true are the people directly involved and afaik there were no charges.
I’m not really big into social media so I personally had no idea about the discussion or accusations at the time but I did hear his interview on Louis Theroux’s podcast recently where he went into this period and said he definitely crossed a line and he regrets it, worked on it and drug and alcohol abuse. He said that he has since tried to be a better person, took accountability and worked on addressing his problematic behaviour.
He also said that it was an incredibly dark period and he was contacted by right-wing, anti cancel-culture journalists and outlets trying to get him onboard which he turned down.
These are all his words, not mine so I’m not saying whether anything is true or not. I don’t doubt that he was very shitty with women though.
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u/Foxhound979899 7d ago edited 7d ago
Answer: alot of his fanbase seem to be in the position of "it doesn't matter he hits" ," the accusations are false'or the "being a sexpest is something I can forgive give him a second chance"
Personally I checked in every now and again I'm genuinely surprised he seems to appear on camera more than he did pre accusations.
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u/SanderCohen711 7d ago
Like with the Geller situation now, people are desperate to forgive/ignore so they can consume their media without indigestion
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u/NSFWCereal 7d ago
It's an issue of rehabilitive justice. The left is supposed to believe that justice should serve the purpose of rehabilitation and reintegration into society rather than just being punitive. I don't remember enough about the Andrew Callaghan situation to speak on it, but with Jacob Geller, he made amends with the victim immediately, worked with her to turn himself in for a title IX investigation, faced a punishment for it that he agrees was too lenient, and then spent the next decade bettering himself.
While I still don't think I'm comfortable watching his videos anymore, it's really hard to imagine someone doing better than he did after committing sexual assault. There are basically two questions being asked: How long should your past crimes follow you if you have done the necessary work to fix the damage done, and who has the authority to determine whether the necessary work is done or not? Is it up to the victim, the perpetrator, the authority system, or the public?
We don't know how the victim currently feels about it. If she feels he shouldn't be forgiven, that is totally fair and reasonable. If she does feel he should be forgiven, that still would not stop the public from having their own opinion.
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u/baes__theorem 3d ago
I’m less familiar with Geller, but with Andrew Callaghan, it’s not an issue of rehabilitative justice at this point, since he’s done none of the steps necessary for rehabilitation. he’s never apologized for rape & basically denied the allegations altogether; he’s said he “always took no for an answer”. from what we know, he’s also never apologized to his victims. there’s been no taking of accountability, let alone attempts at reparation, support & advocacy for other sa victims, etc.
he even uses the well worn trope of DARVO, painting himself as the victim, when he’s said that his victims were basically extorting him for money to pay for the therapy they needed after he assaulted them. none of this is what reform looks like, no matter how much his supporters (who evidently have no knowledge whatsoever of how to achieve restorative justice) insist to the contrary.
taking accountability includes being open & transparent abt & apologizing for specific transgressions in order to inform others & support victims in a similar situation rather than trying to sweep shit under the rug & hope ppl forget. this is the first, foundational step of reform, & it seems that neither Callaghan nor Geller have done even that.
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u/SanderCohen711 7d ago
He didn't "make amends", they both agreed it was rape and filed the title IX. If he was serious about rehabilitation and improvement, it shouldn't have been in secret. Neither his audience nor his coworkers knew about this, weren't given the chance to make an informed decision about supporting him.
Jessie Gender just put out a really thoughtful video on the topic, and as someone who herself is a survivor of SA and worked with Geller, I think it's worth checking out
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u/Foxhound979899 7d ago edited 7d ago
Honestly I feel people have handled that better I think the swiftness of the podcast dropping him is rare.
Feels like Andrew been rewarded by being allowed to interview famous people since he's been accused I think louis theroux the only one whose acknowledged.
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u/SanderCohen711 7d ago
It's definitely been better than with Andrew. You mostly have a lot of people online telling victims to "just forgive him, it's been so long", which is hard
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u/Foxhound979899 7d ago
I think it probably helps Andrew was behind the camera so he wasn't necessary in every video where as Geller was very opinion driven and on camera in multiple channels.
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u/MythicalPurple 7d ago
Lmao dude who posts in kotakuinaction says it’s wrong to judge people who don’t have rap sheets.
I swear these clowns are the worlds biggest hypocrites.
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u/SanderCohen711 7d ago
Tell me ur a frat bro without telling me ur a frat bro
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u/hamnewtonn 7d ago
Tell me you're a feminist woman without telling me
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u/SanderCohen711 7d ago
Kind of sadly ironic that you're not wrong, the only people (generally) who care about believing women and holding predators/sexpests accountable are "feminist women". Feminist guy btw
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u/hamnewtonn 5d ago
What's sad is accusing men of something there is no proof of. It's pathetic actually. Toxic feminism is everywhere and you are part of the problem.
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u/fuzzeedyse105 7d ago
He admitted it all bruh.
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u/jamesdownwell 7d ago edited 7d ago
He didn’t. It’s literally in the OP article:
Andrew has taken accountability for his role in other situations and will be the first to admit his shortcomings; however, these accusations go farther and are completely without merit. Andrew will utilize every option he has in order to clear his name and protect his reputation
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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis 7d ago
You've got a history of being uncivil on threads, and of posting your opinion in top-level comments. That's not what we do here.
Behave, or be somewhere else.
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u/dholmestar 6d ago
Answer: because a child rapist is in the White House and we live in hell and nothing matters and the manosphere runs the show so he's tame by comparison
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u/peanutismint 7d ago
Answer: if you’re asking why isn’t he “cancelled”, he didn’t really do anything wrong, aside from poor judgement. He had consensual relationships with people who then used his clout to try and cry foul. He’s been pretty open about how he made bad decisions and maybe abused his position as a well known figure, but that doesn’t change the fact he got extorted.
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