r/PoliticalDebate • u/NaelGoucher Indigenist • 3d ago

Discussion Let's talk about The International Covanent of Civil and Political Rights, What are your thoughts on the implications of Article 4?

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u/ViskerRatio Centrist 3d ago

Ultimately, it doesn't have any implications because such agreements have no meaningful force behind them. You might as well just say "Tuesday is Pizza Day!" and save everyone a lot of time - nations will follow or ignore it as it suits them.

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u/NaelGoucher Indigenist 2d ago

Interesting hypothesis, but there is a difference between merely signing the treaty as opposed to ratifying it, this particular treaty has been ratified by over 170 countries. Do you know what ratification is?

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u/hallam81 Centrist 3d ago

Does it matter that Article 8 is pretty much ignored by several signatory countries? And article 7 seems to be ignored by most too.

Basically this is like everything else the UN does because people at the UN forget what the UN is. It is nice on paper and is great for photo-ops. But no one really considers this anything other than paper.

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u/NaelGoucher Indigenist 3d ago

This gets into the territory of: what constitutes consent? Is it really that they ignore it, or is it that they utilize more flexible concepts of consent than the average person expects?