r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • Sep 15 '26

Murdered By Words 🩸 A very good point.

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u/MAATMOM Sep 15 '26

Can’t compete or won’t compete? There is a big difference.

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u/bgold1- Sep 15 '26

Such a misleading headline. Grocery stores tend to run on a 2-3% margin. The ā€œreasonable pricesā€ are going to be using taxpayer funds to offset the difference.

Certainly not the argument for socialism that they are trying to push.

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u/Zeliose Sep 15 '26

Paying $50 less per month on groceries is worth paying $30 more per month in taxes.

That's how tax money is supposed to be used.

Same concept for universal heath care.

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u/m1stwalk3r Sep 15 '26

Ok and then all the small business owners get pushed out of the market? How is that good?

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u/Terrible_Cable_4472 Sep 15 '26

If they can't keep up, then they're out. Isn't that the whole point of a market?

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u/Environmental-Run528 Sep 15 '26

How is it a free market when the competition gets government subsidies?

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u/Terrible_Cable_4472 Sep 15 '26

I said market, not free. The markets have never been free.

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u/Environmental-Run528 Sep 15 '26

I would prefer it be as free as possible.

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u/Terrible_Cable_4472 Sep 15 '26

Why? Wouldn't it just end with companies forming monopolies anyway?

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u/Environmental-Run528 Sep 15 '26

I'm not convinced the antitrust laws are in opposition to free markets, I never said I was against any or all regulations.

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u/m1stwalk3r Sep 15 '26

Free market doesn't mean no regulations. Neolibs for some reason made them synonyms. Markets to me and transactions, not the running of the businesses themselves.

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u/julz1215 Sep 15 '26

Think of it as an extension of consumer sovereignty. Just as consumers have the right to shop where they want in a free market, they also have the right to vote to bring a cheaper alternative into existence funded by their tax dollars.

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u/GreatMovesKeepItUp69 Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

People like to smugly say that and then they lose their minds when food deserts run rampant when their local stores go out of business.

Yeah it's happening already, so I'm not sure why you want to make it worse...?

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u/Terrible_Cable_4472 Sep 15 '26

Yeah yeah. You mean like the issue already happening?

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u/awenonian Sep 15 '26

Why do you think it will be cheaper if paid in taxes instead of groceries?

If it's paying $50 less on groceries but $50 more on taxes, is it still good?

But realistically, the people getting cheaper groceries are only the ones living near these 5 stores. I'm a fan of redistributive taxes, but I generally want redistribution from rich to poor, not from rich to people who happen to live near these store locations.

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u/lalalarix0 Sep 15 '26

but... but... big strong millionaire daddy will have to pay $70 more in taxes!! thats not fair!!!!😢

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u/WitnessMyAxe Sep 15 '26

AND we all know that big strong millionaire daddy really really needs that $70, while the average poor scum son of a bitch can easily afford to spend an extra $20! just put aside $2k a month!

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u/Wide-Attorney5633 Sep 15 '26

This is not how it works though. Government run entities are always less efficient.

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u/Zeliose Sep 15 '26

False. Governments have better bargaining power and better bulk ordering power. They also don't rely on profit, so they can afford to sell at lower prices to simply cover operating costs.

They're also better for the people they provide products/services to, because they aren't beholden to share holders that demand profit increases. They're more likely to make consumer friendly choices.

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u/Wide-Attorney5633 Sep 15 '26

Hmmm ok sir, see you in eco 100. The Soviet Union would like a word.

On your points:

  1. Better bulk ordering power: Yeah 5 stores really will do that.
  2. Don't rely on profit: Ok I'll give you this one. Walmart has 3% profit rate. So you're getting 3 dollars back when you pay $100.
  3. They're also better for the people they provide products/services to.: This is just some made up shit.

You didn't take into consideration:

  1. Less efficient, because noone needs to make profit.
  2. Higher benefits and pay for employees.

These are pretty big. If you don't need to make a profit, you don't care about things rotting in your store, or putting merchandise correctly to maximize sales. You're getting payed no matter what. There's no incentive for you to do your job.

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u/Glass_Librarian9019 Sep 15 '26

This is the dumbest thing I've read all month

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u/Wide-Attorney5633 Sep 15 '26

Sounds like you don't read a lot =)

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u/Glass_Librarian9019 Sep 15 '26

I'm pretty sure you've never had a job, but I don't want to be mean in case it's because you're literally a child.

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u/Wide-Attorney5633 Sep 15 '26

Lol ok. Please read up eco 100.

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u/Glass_Librarian9019 Sep 15 '26

Ok I'll bite. Have you ever had a job or are your opinions based on elementary economic theories you've read about?

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u/sinsaint Sep 15 '26

Kinda depends, if the owner is the one supposed to be getting that 2% margin, but the client is instead, who is benefitting most from these socialist stores? The owners?

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u/lightning_po Sep 15 '26

I mean you got to pay the workers with something

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u/sinsaint Sep 15 '26

Those typically aren't counted as profits tho.