r/PoursTea • u/EveryBitTexas • 1d ago
American Dream 🇺🇸 And that side is NOT the Republicans (obviously)
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u/NextDoctorWho12 1d ago
If the Republicans would start living the religion they profess the world would would be a better place.
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u/PhatCatTax 1d ago
They cant. Republicans use Christianity like a resumé bullet-point. It gives the appearance of morality despite lacking a moral compass.
It's why their "moral foundations" can shift with the winds.
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u/FedrinKeening 20h ago
But empathy is a sin and id rather my money go to Israel than feed the single mother down the street! /s
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u/CitizenHuman 1d ago
They're more Christian Grey than Christian religion.
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u/BalancedDisaster 15h ago
Christian Grey was far from perfect but at least he attempted to do consent right
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago
Religion is a big part of their social life, not how they expect to carry themselves or live. It's a cult.
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u/Shido_Ohtori 1d ago
It's literally the ideology.
a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions (such as religion, the family, and class structure), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
If Americans want people to be "fed, housed, educated, and treated with dignity", they should consider promoting and voting for the opposing ideology, one that doesn't favor those on the upper echelons of social hierarchy over the majority of the American people.
a political philosophy and social reform movement focused on advancing the public good through government action and often calling for government to be used to meet popular social, political, economic, and environmental needs and demands and to advance rights and protections for marginalized groups
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u/Torquemahda 1d ago
Americans treat politics like a sports franchise.
Source: am an American with stupid in laws
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u/imissher4ever 1d ago
Only about 1/2 do. The other half DGAF about politics. We simply can’t fathom why the political fanatics are so loyal to their chosen team.
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u/libertarianinus 23h ago
Or tribes, especially the hutus and tutsis. Those that dont study history are doomed to repeat it.
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u/2013orBust 21h ago
Yeah, progressivism sounds great except the part where government should be in any way involved in social issues. That’s where the classic definition of liberalism appeals to more people…. Also, the implication in the definition is that non conservatives want abrupt change. Absolutely make laws to protect marginalized groups, but otherwise, leave us the fuck alone.
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u/Channel_Huge 10h ago
You are associating the Democrats with Progressive ideals?
Yes, if it means enriching themselves first and foremost…
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u/invinciblepancake 23h ago
Just to play devil's advocate here.
Couldn't "hierarchies" be/become people educated, fed, and treated with dignity? Couldn't the institutions also be those that support it?
And couldnt "public good" be translated and interpreted in many different ways? Like, exterminating the Jews were to the Nazi's, a "public good" which meets popular social, political, and economic needs?
I just feel that we all need to be careful what these big words mean. They mean different things to different people, and naturally so.
Unless, ofc, someone thinks that they know the ultimate good.
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u/Tasty_Leading_3221 21h ago
The elections are coming up?
Bot's are coming to teach us the way, the right way!
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u/Imaginary_Factor5809 22h ago
I don't think that it's the democrats either.. both parties have shown that they are not going to do anything about it.. Republicans and democrats don't care about us they care about controlling us
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u/JustGmeMyFukinSnkpck 22h ago
You people have to realize it’s got nothing to do with politics. The system is not red or blue. The monetary system is a debt enslaving system. Ever since 1913 (the start of income tax) the government only gets paid when its citizens trade their time for money. And It’s a Ponzi scheme. They tax you to pay for your grandparents because the taxes your grandparents paid the government already spent. They spend more money than they take in so they have to borrow money to pay social security, Medicare and other social services. And the more money the government borrows, the more expensive everything else gets. No politician wants to be the one to pull the plug and stop spending. So they keep borrowing and causing all prices to go up. So no matter what color your government is, nothing changes. Not until we go into the Great Depression or stop the ponzi. Or super intelligence finally wakes up and dramatically decreases the cost of goods and services.
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u/MickyFany 22h ago
i assume this pertains to the poor and homeless. I think everyone would like to help them.
But as you can see, Democrats have run major cities for decades, and the homeless population is just getting worse. No one is being fed or housed or taken care of, but a lot of money is being SPENT.
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u/Comprehensive_Tart70 19h ago
Absolutely Dems run Maine for 40 of the last 50yrs homelessness is at pandemic levels
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u/L_Tryptophan 22h ago
The truth is neither side cares. Democrats are a lot better at pretending though. 90% of reddit thinks they are the good guys. Nobody in congress in 2026 are good guys. They only listen to their handlers
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u/KOMarcus 16h ago
I think likely the real truth is that the solution is much more difficult than anyone wants to admit.. coupled with the fact that very few in places of power actually care.
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u/Large-Variation1388 18h ago
Denver has tried and it’s put us in a financial hole. Maybe if we could just tax those billionaires more instead of the common folk.
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u/AdRepresentative3282 1d ago
You really think anyone in charge of this country cares about you or the country’s needs? (Democratic or republican) Give me a break. The idiotic stuff you see on this platform is crazy! Y’all live in LaLa land.
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u/Mr_Wingnut_732 6h ago
Trump does. That's one of the reasons that life became better for minorities and low income people under him
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u/Little-Locksmith-844 23h ago edited 22h ago
Left or right this isn’t happening, if this was to happen it would have under Obama. Instead we got affordable care act that largely benefited insurance companies instead of the people Insurance companies charged the people on ACA more and the government used our tax dollars to cover the huge increases. You know why insurance companies charged more? Because OUR taxes paid for it. There was benefits for people with preexisting conditions and allowed children to be in parents insurance until 26 but ultimately It also didn’t help people who currently had insurance through their employer who could have benefited from this the most. It didn’t benefit the middle class and the poor already had Medicaid. ACA made insurance for many self employed or people who couldn’t afford their employer insurance even more of a problem. The Pros DIDN’T outweigh the cons and our health insurance premiums have never been higher especially for family insurance. We could have had healthcare protection without the Cons being attached.
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u/bigblueboyqt 22h ago
The poor didn't "already have Medicaid." Before the ACA, most states didn't cover childless adults at any income. Employer plans also got no lifetime caps, free preventive care, and out-of-pocket maxes. And premiums were rising faster before the ACA than after.
Also, Republicans have spent years trying to kill it with dozens of House repeal votes, the 2017 repeal that failed by one vote, zeroing out the mandate penalty, and a lawsuit to strike down the whole law. Hard to judge it fairly when one party's been sabotaging it.
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u/hopeful7321 1d ago
Then vote Democrats. That is what they stand for. Republicans have ALWAYS BEEN takers, war mongers, hateful, crooked rich people... Just plain evil.
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u/International-Ad8625 1d ago
I mean…. The democrats SAY they are about those things. I think in reality they are about serving their billionaire donors like the republicans. The two parties are both anti humanity, it seems…. Based on overwhelming historical evidence
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u/Mr_Wingnut_732 6h ago
Then you'd have to explain why democrat-run cities are hellholes. Look at the huge sums that LA put into the homeless problem. Politicians and rich people stole all of that money, and all they did was make the homeless problem worse
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u/Chris12edfield 1d ago
I will support which ever candidate wants people to have the ability to feed themselves, house themselves, and seek out and earn an education if they desire to. dignity is a welcome bonus.
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u/AggressiveSquare36 1d ago
i am a conservative. i do think people should be helped when they need the help. i have been poor, my family has been on wic, while i worked 2 jobs (active military and pizza delivery).
WIC is very restrictive; it is my favorite of all the public assistance programs. you have to meet certain parameters to receive the assistance, and you are limited to what you can get. i dont hear very many people complain about WIC on either side of the isle. i think this model is how snap should be done. you cant get junk food on wic, you cant buy unnecessary crap on wic.
it serves a purpose and it is temporary, as most government assistance should be.
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u/No-Spare-4212 1d ago
It’s not either side. Sorry to break the bad news but 90% of them on both side don’t care about 95% of us
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u/CanUHearMeNau 23h ago
Which people? Since resources are not infinite, who should get taken care of first? Where do you draw the line when resources run out? For how long is your plan to help everybody sustainable at and what expense?
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u/Capital_Anxiety5604 23h ago
"I will always support the side that wants OTHER PEOPLE to feed, house, educate people while treating them with dignity." Fixed it for you.
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u/duganaokthe5th 23h ago edited 16h ago
I will always support the side that supports rugged individualism.
And also there is a difference in want and forced. I think it’s pretty obvious that those policies that are meant to be some sort of solution have unintended consequences beyond “Higher taxes” that are devastating in entirely unintended ways.
I know San Francisco has started to change because they on some Level actual came to agree that the direction they were headed was pretty bad.
They want their inclusive utopia and found, at least, it was never going to work they way they were doing it. It’s good to see. I’ve heard that city has cleaned up quite a bit.
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u/GoviModo 23h ago
Conservatives always do this thing where they say we should spend on x because y is needed
But only have the intent to cut x and never deliver y
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u/BoundHoneyDew 23h ago
Neither the Democrats, not a single capitalist wants you happy, fed and with a home. They want you desperate, hungry and clawing for basic amenities.
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u/FanSerious7672 22h ago
On paper both sides want this, just with very different approaches. In practice neither do, with some exceptions on both sides.
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u/CombatRedRover 21h ago
Do you want it for a minute, a year, or for a century? Because if you ignore that economic infrastructure to hand out candy today, there won't be enough of an economy to pay for basic food tomorrow.
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u/Ok-Collar-2742 20h ago
Judging by the homelessness situation in. California, it's not the other side either.
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u/Glum-Welder1704 20h ago
The problem is that Democrats don't care about any of that either. "Better than the other side" is damning with faint praise.
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u/thetadpolegalaxy 23h ago
This is dumb. It's not a matter of what each "side" wants. It's a matter of what role they believe the government should play.
I say that as a Democrat who thinks the government's role should be large, but that doesn't mean the other side wants people to be starved and out on the street.
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u/Gobal_Outcast02 23h ago
Nuance? Thats now allowed on reddit
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u/memecut 23h ago
I hold opinions that will piss off both sides. I agree with both sides on certain issues. Both sides are awful picks in general, I want neither. Problem is, if I dont pick one, both sides will hate me and say I support the other side.
Nuance isnt allowed irl anymore either.
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u/Aggressive_Opening69 23h ago
I’m in the same boat, glad to know there are others in the middle on a lot of different issues.
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u/Excellent_Arrival1 23h ago
Exactly this.
I dont want to see people suffer, but I believe in small government and that we need self accountability.
The more intervention by the government, the more unnecessary regulation or wasteful spending with high taxes the more rampant abuse by others.
The fact is people have had society for a long time and it tends to work out, the biggest problem we face now is if the government provides we see people become dependent on the government
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u/CyanVince 20h ago edited 19h ago
You really shouldn't be opposed to high taxes; the problem is the burden of taxes is poorly/unfairly distributed among the population. If the top 0.1% were forced to pay the tax burden of the bottom 99.9%, they would easily retain their status of top 0.1% wealthiest. If the top 0.1% wealthiest people had to pay 100% of society's taxes, they would still on average have a net worth of $150m.
The more intervention by the government, the more unnecessary regulation or wasteful spending with high taxes the more rampant abuse by others.
Assuming the "rampant abuse" you mention is people exploiting food stamps or getting free life saving medical treatment, you should look to history and see how rampant abuse was in the era before "unnecessary regulation." There is a reason pure capitalists came to be known as "robber barons." The most rampant abuse today is the sheer amount of human exploitation required to create a billionaire class.
The fact is people have had society for a long time and it tends to work out, the biggest problem we face now is if the government provides we see people become dependent on the government
Generational wealth(billionaires/trillionaires/etc) is impossible without the stability provided by government. It is actually the wealthy who depend on the government to provide the stability for them to grow, retain and enjoy their wealth.
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u/Chieffelix472 19h ago
You completely disregard incentives for work and where that money actually comes from. It’s not sitting around in a bank. It’s being using by the companies they invest 99% of their money into.
Taking the money means starving these businesses of their investors in favor of giving that to the government in the hopes the government will do more with that money.
Many people don’t trust the government to spend money efficiently or safely.
In the government they care about being reelected, aka maintaining power. In a private business they care about making money.
So the question is, “Do you trust someone who wants power or someone who wants to make money?”
For me and many others, I’d trust the person who wants to make money to make a more successful product.
Obviously there are exceptions, and the government DOES need to step in when the free market has perverse incentives to the goodwill of the people.
But saying “just tax the rich more” is a telltale sign that you haven’t actually thought about where that money comes from and what areas in the private sector get screwed over.
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u/CyanVince 18h ago
You completely disregard incentives for work and where that money actually comes from. It’s not sitting around in a bank. It’s being using by the companies they invest 99% of their money into.
These sound awful like the assumptions used to justify horse and sparrow economics; unfortunately we have decades of empirical evidence disproving the wishful "trickle down" thinking.
In the post WW2 period the top statutory marginal income tax rate for the highest earners was over 90%. Uncoincidentally the following decades were known as the "golden age of labor," society flourished and there was plenty of economic growth -- instead of the hypothetical perversion-of-incentives economic doomsday scenario you allude to. Businesses still thrived, except back then empires weren't being built at the expense of the middle class.
But saying “just tax the rich more” is a telltale sign that you haven’t actually thought about where that money comes from and what areas in the private sector get screwed over.
If I have to actually defend the merits of hypothetically revising tax law such that society's wealth is redistributed in a way that reduces the wealth of billionaires to "mere" 100-millionaires, then I suspect no amount of reasoning or facts would be enough to convince you. One of my degrees is in economics so I have spent at least a few years casually thinking about this; unfortunately "just tax the rich more" is unequivocally an improvement over the present day reality. However this doesn't mean I endorse government waste; at a minimum I'd like to see the government work for the common man, as opposed to a government for the oligarchs.
A great example is how Elon Musk has derived much of his wealth from selling EVs to a captive market because the government protects his company from foreign competition. I can't think of a better example of "perverse incentives" than the world's first trillionaire who's wealth is built on a foundation of rent seeking behavior.
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u/HotPotatoes9973 23h ago
Hey just curious. And honest question. When government is demonstrably terrible at everything except spending the money of others, why do you still want it large?
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u/TheRandomODST 22h ago
I appreciate this comment. So many people get wrapped up in believing the other side is just evil because they don’t agree with them. Personally I can love and accept someone on either side of the political spectrum as long as they give me respect. It doesn’t have to be us vs them. Especially when both sides can agree that there are a lot of problems in our government
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u/hillarydidnineeleven 19h ago
I disagree. It's all well and good when you're discussing minor disagreements. But when things get to racism or being fine with the death of pregnant women due to pregnancy complications because abortion should be illegal it isn't just something you can really love and accept. We have people in this country happy to be stripping the rights away from other Americans because it doesn't fit with their religious values. These people might show you respect because you're not part of the groups they hate but ultimately they're still full of hatred.
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u/Itchy_Ad6295 22h ago
I sure as shit dont see dems doing it either. Its not a side issue its a politician issue.
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u/boblancho 1d ago
People don't even want equal opportunity. A decent opportunity and not dying for political reasons is more than enough.
I think the right fails on that simple concept. It's not "you stop being a millionaire" is just "don't choke the rest"
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u/TruthHertz93 23h ago
Very good way to put it actually.
They always shout about meritocracy and yeah their systems wouldn't allow the smart to climb at all! 🤦🏻♂️
How many genius inventions did we miss out on because the child had to work in a sweatshop for a pittance I wonder...
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u/Head_Midnight666 1d ago
I guess Republicans feel they work hard and then people take away the fruits of their labor to help people that are just exploiting the system. They probably feel like slaves working for other people.
Democrats feel like, if they're going to work hard, they want to help people that are in need. I feel more this way, but I agree that we shouldn't just let everyone get a free ride on our backs.
The problem is that it's not really poor people in need that are taking the fruits of a Republican's labor. It's billionaires. I'm not sure why Republicans are against taxing them more. I mean, who could be ridiculous enough to think that a billionaire is really worth their billions? They just exploit a broken system.
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u/sgsparks206 1d ago
If the fruits of my labor help 20 people, and 1 of those 20 is exploiting the system, I'm still happy to help the other 19. It's about the greater good.
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u/2013orBust 1d ago
It’s the grand illusion that it could be YOU. YOU could be that billionaire if you just work hard enough 😂
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u/CwispyWhiskey 23h ago
I always see it as I could be the one who loses everything and would need a hand up back on my feet
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u/BlightOfNight 18h ago edited 17h ago
You’re partially correct. Republicans (or at least this one) do feel like the state takes away the fruit of my labor to support people that are potentially exploiting the system. And, yes, I do feel like I’m treated as a slave working for other people. USAID, SNAP and fraud reports across multiple states are indicative of just how corrupt the system is and how entitled those that live under this system are.
I do want to help people who are genuinely in need. I’ve been on both giving and receiving ends and know how both sides feel.
But charity is not the government taxing me and helping another. Where is charity here? I’m not being charitable for paying my taxes; that’s a force issue. The only thing I get for paying my taxes is being a law-abiding citizen. After all, I really have only two choices. I can pay my taxes or I can go to jail.
The state isn’t capable of being charitable. The state transforms my taxable labor into policy and political ideologies once it “goes into the system.” The state defines who gets the money and how much they get.
The legislature passes a law. No charity here, just an attempt to gain the goodwill of a particular community or group. The executive branch enforces the law, a process mired in bureaucracy, politics and red tape; again no charity here. And the judiciary interprets the law, to be applied when someone feels they have been mistreated. IMHO the last place you should expect (or desire) to find charity is in the courts. Charity trumps justice and Justice that extends Charity cannot be Justice.
Thus the state creates a system to determine who is in need; one where an individual must apply and “prove” their qualifications is the opposite of charity. To do otherwise would be inappropriate as the law requires a degree of integrity, to at least pretend that “fairness” exists.
No, charity is (1) a person with time, means or abilities that (2) recognizes another person or people in need of a portion of these capacities and (3) having empathy for the afflicted and (4) gives of themselves to provide a measure of relief.
Anyway, there is no “charity” through taxes or the state. The choice to be charitable was removed from me, literally stolen from me by the government (i.e., the taxed amount). I see no difference between a tax (or portion thereof) and handing that money to someone else versus a mugger “Robin Hood” pointing a knife or gun at me, taking my money out of my wallet and handing it out to their friends, family or neighbors.
“This is too extreme!” you claim. Please, tell me how taxing Peter to give to Janice is any different? Peter is forced to give his own property to Janice via an intermediary. It’s just that, in the government’s case, both Peter and Janice are additionally afflicted with an inordinate amount of paperwork.
The state is slightly more “civilized” about its theft. This means that the state will send police to kick your door in, toss you into jail until you “pay your dues,” make you repair the damage they did to your door and the home they trashed. And, just to ensure you know you screwed the pooch, they add your name onto a list of felons; ensuring your life is forevermore f*cked.
The mugger might just kill you. The mugger is at least honest in what they’re doing and why. Tax spending is at the whims of whomever is in power.
So, exactly why should we be taxing billionaires? This has been a collective complaint for centuries. You know who eventually gets shafted? The plain-Jane citizen, that’s who.
And why? Because, lawyers like lots of money, and guess who has a _lot_ of money. Because, legislators also like lots of money. And, again, guess who has _lots_ of money. Did we not learn anything from Jeffrey Epstein? A billionaire has legal experts, business experts, banking experts, technology experts, financial analysts, official advisors from both parties, and vast research, institutes and colleges that all want the billionaire’s attention. You are at a disadvantage at every step.
The “tax the rich” mantra you hear from Bernie Sanders et al., was approved and passed muster with at least one billionaire. You think that the media is immune? Think again, just ask Google who owns the media company you listen to when you get your news.
Even NPR isn’t exclusive.
https://www.npr.org/people/g-s1-96612/john-buoymaster
John W. Buoymaster is the chair of the NPR Foundation. This guy is the managing director of Pathstone, a wealth management company with over 100 billion under management. Yeah, for “high-net-worth individuals.” You think he might have opinions on what gets broadcast by “NPR member stations?” He already has a position that ensures member stations will at least listen to his opinions.
Instead of taxing the billionaires, shift the focus onto restoring integrity in the government. Vote for legislators that will write laws ensuring that billionaires’ companies are rewarded for “moving more money into employees’ pockets.” More importantly, hold your legislator _responsible_!
Push your legislators to change the country’s monetary policies and force an end to inflation. This one change will prevent the nation from picking the pockets of the least educated and most vulnerable of society.
Remove the enormously expensive legal mandates on medicine and return control of medical care to doctors. Discard the laws that protect pharmaceutical companies and health insurance companies when they make decisions like doctors and override the decisions made by a doctor who is face-to-face with the patient.
End income tax on citizens. This country did fine for 150 years without it.
Most of all, companies have more rights than citizens. This is the most egregious problem as I see it. If a pharmaceutical company kills hundreds of people, that company must pay the price in the same way a citizen would. Profits must be turned over to the estates. Make the “death penalty” a real thing for companies. The shareholders deserve to lose their investment if a company not only kills citizens but (1) covers it up or (2) continues its bad behavior.
Force the company’s assets to be used as restitution for the company’s crimes.
That would turn billionaires into moneyless losers if their companies are forced to sell their assets. Executives, officers, shareholders (and family) holding more than 10% of the company are not eligible to purchase any of the assets being sold and cannot obtain employment or be an owner or officer for any company in the same industry for the rest of their lives.
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u/wyld_french_fry 16h ago
As a republican i can tell you thats its not taxing billionaires that we are against, it’s the fact that everytime a new tax is enacted, it always ends up affecting EVERYONE eventually. Just look at where we are now. From the boston tea party to paying taxes on what you make, buy and sell. A new tax is never just for a specific group, but it does start that way. The federal income tax was initially just a tax on the rich, now we all pay it.
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u/Syncanau 1d ago
Because increasing the tax rates do nothing. They have ways of circumventing any increase. What NEEDS to happen is getting rid of loopholes and ALSO a mass crusade against fraud.
It is insane how much disability fraud, food stamp fraud, and healthcare fraud is out there. You can find people talking about how much they scam the US government on social media because they know nobody is actually checking in on this stuff. Fake companies making tens of millions of dollars on healthcare scams.
People on disability working off the books on manual labor jobs.
People creating fake paperwork in order to be paid out thousands in food stamps on a monthly basis.
And everybody SHOULD be for cracking down on this because it hurts everybody else. From the others who actually deserve these benefits to the people who are forced to pay into them even though they know their money isn’t being used for anything good.
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u/Mundane-Land19 20h ago edited 20h ago
If someone starts a company and it does very well shouldn’t they enjoy the fruits of their labor. After all it was their skin in the game and not someone else’s. If the company fails the employee finds another job the owner is financially on the line.
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u/Last_Gigolo 20h ago
The guy that owns two gas stations near my job, and one more he always talks about, his wife does not work. She is on food stamps. We shop at the same grocery store.
Yes, the rich do exploit the system.
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u/throbbybrown81 7h ago
They are taxed more. Problem is they use the tax code to get out of a lot of it. And yes, I work my ass off and get pretty irritated standing behind somebody at Walmart buying steaks and pulling out their EBT card from their 200 dollar purse. Then catching them in the parking lot hopping in their 80,000 dollar suburban. I know some need it. And that’s fine. But the abuse is real and it seems nobody wants to look into fraud. Like fraud is some politically exclusive thing. Everybody should want all their tax dollars going to good use. Social security is going to dry up because tons of able body people are on it for BS reasons. The list goes on
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u/Revolutionary_Rub776 1d ago
It's not about the taxing. It's about that it always finds a way to be put on the people other than the wealthy. When income tax was first established. It was only on the wealthy then it became everyone's responsibility. We know that any time a tax is created. It will eventually cover everyone. With the wealthy paying less than when it started. But my problem is that my taxes are given to every other country to help them and the people here are in need. We should take care of our home first. And a lot of that money finds it way back into politicians pockets.
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u/Dtek7 21h ago
Billionaires will find ways to move their money or business outside of the taxed state. These people will go to stupid lengths to not pay up, just raising their taxes won't do anything. You'd have to do something like China where they restrict money leaving, but freedom and such.
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u/Snoo_95901 20h ago
The tax rate is high enough. The broken system allows them to avoid taxes. It also allows you to avoid taxes if you learn how. Both parties have had opportunities to fix that system and instead they want you to argue over tax rates that will be meaningless to the people who know how to side step them.
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u/letsseeem1 18h ago
Billion Aires don’t have billions ! My house appraises for a million. Doesn’t mean I’m a millionaire
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u/Miserable-Wave-6081 7h ago
The total U.S. national debt is approximately $40.30 trillion, according to the U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data.
We don't run on a balanced budget so it doesn't make sense to me that billionaires not being taxed enough is the reason people aren't eating or receiving healthcare.
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u/Humble-Activity-4525 6h ago
As a Latino Republican I will say this, most republicans don’t care about taxing the rich, so long as it doesn’t cause them to take their companies and jobs elsewhere where. We are more worried about how the money in which taxes go to is being spent. You have a lot of people that could be productive or more productive with no restrictions that take advantage of the system and blow the money away. Meanwhile you have people that really need it or deserve it struggle with nothing and the rest of us, working class both democrats and republicans, being taxes to the point we can fill our grocery cart and limiting our standard of living. It’s not about being taxed more or less, it’s about where is the money going too.
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u/Fizbanopolus 1d ago
60% of all federal budget goes to social programs. As a matter of fact, here is a breakdown of our budget by category. To me, it looks like we already spend a ton on helping people out.
Health Programs
~24%
Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, ACA subsidies
Social Security
~21%
Retirement, survivor, and disability benefits
National Defense
~13%
Military operations, equipment, and weapons research
Net Interest on Debt
~13% - 14%
Interest paid on outstanding national debt
Income Security
~7% - 10%
SNAP, SSI, EITC, unemployment, housing aid
Veterans & Retirees
~8%
Healthcare and pensions for veterans & federal retirees
Everything Else
~5% - 7%
Education, infrastructure, law enforcement, foreign aid
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u/CandyIllustrious3301 1d ago
I want people to feed, house themselves without my tax dollars. Along with an educational system focused on learning not activism.
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u/StormAppropriate3123 1d ago
You lost me at “dignity.” Have you seen how people act these days? Dignity is dead.
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u/faust314 1d ago
Bro if anyone here actually thinks either side gives a shit about them or their families or their futures we are doomed!
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u/Barn8614 1d ago
Neither side cares about you. They wanna import cheap labor they can exploit, so you can suffer, while keeping your poor.
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u/redbeardrex 23h ago
Republicans want a civilization where anybody who wants it can have it. Democrats want a civilization where they take other people's money to pay for things they're unwilling to do themselves, so they can virtue signal on the internet while ignoring the fact that 99% of the money got embezzled and feel they are on the moral high ground while actually being the most hateful, racist people on the planet.
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u/Upstairs-Head-5546 21h ago
That’s the problem! You want to be Supported instead of Supporting yourself! There are Countries you can move too that will do that for you!
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u/No-Perspective4787 19h ago
Yes there are and low & behold they are all some of the Happiest Citizens ever. Take Sweden , Denmark , & Norway for example all three have a Capitalist system of Government , but not like America which for most of the last Decade has been Vulger Capitalism / Oligarchy Regime equals a 80yr old Fascist who's billionaire buddies all around him want Trump to Declare Marshall Law , and take all the voting machines away - That's their plan to rig the election , but I know die hard MAGAS that are so sick of all his lying 🤥 and gaslighting the Right Wing Fascists aka the White Supremacists. That what's pissed them off the most are all his promises he made , he didn't keep one of them the way he told us a thousand times in 2024 how on Day 1 the Russia / Ukraine war would be over in his first day in office. His War with Iran has completely hurt the 99% of Americans , while enriching a handful of Billionaires who own the Defense contracts on making all our planes , fighter jets , tanks , interceptor missiles , tomahawk ballistic missiles , drones , and the 30 MOAB' S which range from 2,000 lbs of dynamite , 5,000 lbs of Dynamite , 10,000 lbs of Dynamite , and at least one or three 20,000 lbs that pretty much put a gigantic hole in the ground. Democrats passed the ACA and 17.5 million Americans are now receiving their redetermination letters to fill out and without meeting the Work requirements , all will get dropped. The ACA is still the LAW of the Nation , the Supreme Court Justices told Trump there hands are tied since Obama passed the bill by beating the R- Filibuster , and a super majority in the House to pass the ACA , therefore only CONGRESS can repeal the LAW ‼️⚖️💀🗽🇺🇸
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u/BioHazard512 21h ago
Conservatives. It was literally the side of conservatism. Progressives wanted abolition, conservatives wanted to conserve slavery...
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u/Icy-KaitSyth 1d ago
If you cannot articulate your opponents argument it means you take your own on faith.
These types of posts are like someone hearing the phrase "if you give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime" and responding "So you just hate poor people"
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u/Bushwhacker-XII 1d ago
Is in Jail you are fed for free, freed healthcare , free housing, and they can go to class for free
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u/ThePurpleandBanana 1d ago
Tbf its not democrats either. I still vote for whatever garbage the DNC props up, but I’m not happy about my options.
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u/poco_loco1965 1d ago
If Jesus was a Dem and Satan was Gop Lets just say I ain't voting Dem Ever Keep aborting your unborn children Keep mutilating your toddlers bc your Liberal insanity tells you a 6 yo knows what gender they are
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u/Scottstots-88 1d ago
And then once you’ve trained people to believe that everything will be handed to them… Who’s going to actually put in the work that it takes to make those things a reality?
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u/Critica0 1d ago
An who's that because it's not the left. I mean its not the right either but it's 100% not the left.
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u/Snoo-7821 1d ago
"...unless they don't agree with me politically or fail to vaccinate in a timely manner. Then no hospital for you, Wheezy."
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u/Placatethedorks 1d ago
Yea and they know that, take your money, and then don’t do it.
Ever bought a car from someone who says if you buy it you’re a good person
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u/Zestyclose_Band1478 1d ago
Ya let’s vote for communism ya. Good move using the image of a female American Indian in the picture fist raised in defiance. lol , burn it all down vote communist/democrat. Be liberal till they come for your stuff and vote out your existence in this country. You all creat jobs right?
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u/CommitteeDelicious68 1d ago
Well said!! #VOTEBLUE #RELEASETHEEPSTEINFILES #DON'TSTOPTALKINGABOUTTHEEPSTEINFILES
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u/herbertcluas 1d ago
If you are talking about Republican and Democrats than neither, if you are talking about people than some
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u/Late_Ant_4002 1d ago
Well we thought maybe we would give them the opportunity to get a job and enterprise and freedom, but I guess we’re never good enough :-/
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u/Radicalized_Spite 23h ago
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u/LimeGrass619 23h ago
And yet states not democrats have a major problem with these. I literally live here and the more socialist it gets the more homeles there is and more expensive things get.
You know those pics of the beautiful glamorous houses of LA? Those are gated communities for the rich. Otherwise youre poor or living paycheck to paycheck. Even here in SD where its less blue but still blue, its hard for the middle class to exist if you dont already have a house long before the recession.
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u/minus_minus 23h ago
Everybody wants this but some only want it for people that look and think like them.
Replace “people” with “everyone” and the GOP will nope out in a nanosecond.
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u/Quirky_Blood8486 23h ago
Lol there are 2 things this post will prove 1st most people on reddit are going to be left leaning college "educated" people and 2nd starting needless fires on the internet will bring more engagement to a post then writing a thoughtful post with any actual substance to discuss. Also for those that haven't heard it today Jesus loves you and have a blessed day.
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u/TheBigChungaBunga 23h ago
Honestly, in my honest experience... F people. I like about 1 out of every 200,000 people I meet.
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u/XNXTXNXKX 23h ago
Republicans want that too, if people do it themselves and they’re white Christians.
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u/Far-Replacement-9196 23h ago
duh, I think that you should deal with unreasonably high prices, instead of each others political beliefs. Can say as russian - we have A LOT LOT LOT problems here, but at least insulin can be afforded by anyone
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u/Offthewall1212 23h ago
Everyone stands for that. The adults in the room disagree on how to pay for it.
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u/westdanny316 23h ago
Unfortunately that’s not our government in general. They just want to be filthy rich and keep everyone else poor and divided.
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u/Pesoboss 23h ago
I think my dream for decency is one that we can achieve, and i know others share this dream. high five
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u/awful_bits 23h ago
There’s a big difference between voting for that and making it happen. You must not pay much in taxes.
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u/Plus-Concentrate-401 23h ago
I’m with the one with the credible plan, not the grand uncosted headlines.
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u/Jaber1077 23h ago
Many cases from just the last century of governments promising these things and then opting to kill millions- 10s of millions of its own people.
When you make the government powerful enough to take care of you, sometimes they just decide it’s easier and quicker just to “take care of you”.
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u/SmokingCowboy420 23h ago
Ha. This is the problem. We all want that. The method of getting there is where we part. You’re not helping by diving
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u/ToungePunch3r 23h ago
Funny you said that democrats was the party of the kkk seems you forget that
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u/No_Ad7967 23h ago
so you are a MAGA supporter, good for you, the democrats do not care about any of those things.
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u/calisoldier 23h ago edited 20h ago
Do you honestly think one “side” or the other wants what this meme promotes? When it comes to government, it’s about power (votes). That’s all they want. How about we try having people feed, house, educate and treat others with dignity rather than handing our power over to government to do what we should be doing for each other?
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u/AssumptionOk7269 23h ago
I learn from this admin that there's no actual human left in GOP party. All party members are incompetent, highly demanding, inhumane, criminal gang, claiming something they never done or never did.
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u/Forsaken_Attorney_72 23h ago
This is why I left the democratic party. They only care about signaling some virtuous intent. They could care less about 2nd order impacts from distorting markets.
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u/Competitive_Ask_2958 23h ago
Cross out education and replace it with indoctrination to Liberal ideologies
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u/Local_City_8174 23h ago
Even Republicans support that. The difference is who pays for it and what is an acceptable standard. If we want to have a family of 4 on an 800 SF apartment building, we can do that, but you won’t have nice cars, you won’t get a $10 Starbucks coffee. To be honest, got look at Russia, China, India and Brazil and tell me if that’s what you want.
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u/Similar-Recover7891 23h ago
Lol you think your vote matters. Wake up kids and welcome to the food chain. This is a managent team that tag teams you and your children's children into a circus of servants. So slow clap and try the popcorn.
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u/sneezesquirrel 23h ago
But then they vote every possible terrible law into place so those things fail miserably. If they want is so bad, where are the outcomes?
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u/SinsualChef 1d ago
Or the "Christians"