r/PraiseTheCameraMan • • 23d ago

Tracking an RAF jet as the pilots eject and it crashes

This crash occurred in Anglesey, Wales yesterday (23/09). The video is not mine and was provided by a local resident

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u/RoninRobot 23d ago

Wonder what the failure was. Pitch up sharply twice, ejection, white smoke not from the engine. Possibly an artifact of the explosives from ejection.

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u/Ok_Tap8157 23d ago edited 23d ago

There’s another video where it’s clear to see flames coming out of the back and top of the fuselage on takeoff roll and lift.
This particular aircraft doesn’t have afterburners, so it looks like a failure within.
Plane was doomed the moment it lifted.
Thankfully no one was killed, but ejection from a plane doesn’t come without consequences for the pilots. Either way, it’s better than death.

Edit: add video - https://youtube.com/shorts/I2fO9phU2jQ?is=hQAPsjHXfc_zHiVG

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u/Fuster2 23d ago edited 23d ago

Do they get to stay on as pilots? I thought I read previously on reddit, (so grain of salt and all ...) that the effects of ejection are so great they struggle to be fit enough in future.

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u/Nabs-2 23d ago

They have to be declared medically fit again by a flight doc and its not uncommon to have some injuries due to ejection (often lower leg and spine) , its a violent process, but its also common for pilots to not be seriously injured and only have minor injuries which wouldn't stop them from being declared medically fit to fly

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u/zewill87 23d ago

Positive thing about it they can join the wait list for the watch!

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u/spookmann 22d ago

I used to be a pilot like you. Then I took an ejection in the spine..."

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u/1stltwill 23d ago

Winter is, in fact, coming.

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u/Karl-Lauer 23d ago

Also positive thing:

You can become a member of a very exclusive club:

https://martin-baker.com/tie-club/

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u/jkxs 22d ago

The tie looks good lol

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u/d3agl3uk 23d ago

Will Smith managed to save the world from an alien invasion after an unplanned evacuation of his F/A-18.

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u/DatGums 23d ago

Now that’s what I call a close encounter

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u/tronster_ 23d ago

Otherworldly comment…

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u/NeitherEntry6125 21d ago

I ain't heard no fat lady!

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u/nickN42 23d ago

He managed to do it with his legs broken after the starship crashed, using a moody teenager as a proxy. Man doesn't even need to be there to save everyone.

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u/_Bipolar_Vortex_ 23d ago

That movie slaps.

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u/cvidetich13 22d ago

Not only did he eject, survive, and save the world, but he also punched an alien in the face and said “welcome to earth, asshole!”

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u/that_dutch_dude 23d ago

former egress tech here.

it depends, you are grounded for a while as you need extensive medical checks and recovery. if the spinal compression (yes, that is a thing) is within limits you can be allowed to fly again, sometimes that can mean no more jets but only normal planes without ejection seats or helicopers. if you can fly again on jets and you have to eject a second time its by default over and you are grounded forever. most physcially cant fly after that second egress anway due to the massive spinal damage from the ejection.

ejection is never good but its better than the alternative.

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u/NJNMAZ 19d ago

The second time it's over? John McCain was called a "reverse ace" because he crashed five fighters. I'm assuming he ejected before the crashes.

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u/that_dutch_dude 19d ago

those were the very first type of seats, those pulled barely over 10G. that is litteraly what current "normal" fighter jet pilots have to train for as that is what modern planes can do. that is nothing compared to the 20~30G modern seats will dish out. dont forget the planes are far more extreme and the seat needs to be able to handle supersonic ejections without killing the pilot.

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u/ChemistRemote7182 23d ago

Nah, we just saw an Eagle pilot get shot down twice in one month. Of course we also saw one lost multiple fingers in a single ejection. Modern seats are great but there are so many variables that I don't an easy conclusion can be drawn as to consistent results.

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u/Rodge6 23d ago

You mean it’s not like a rollercoaster with a bump landing like Tom Crusie makes it out to be

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u/ikukuru 23d ago

Gooooose!

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u/Doomu5 23d ago

Too soon

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u/n1dom 23d ago

They’ll be eligible for a tie. Martin-Baker Tie Club

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u/davewave3283 23d ago

Assuming all else equal in the US Navy you can eject twice and still come back.

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u/Latter-Twist9154 22d ago

I thought you were going to say “Do they get to stay on as pilots…because they’re clearly not very good at doing their job“ 😂

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u/kog 23d ago

I've been told you might be cleared to fly again after one ejection, but any more after that is highly unlikely. Compresses the spine.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 9d ago

In the USAF you get two ejections before being grounded, it's incredibly hard on your spine.

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u/RocketCello 23d ago

Hydraulics run through the spine of the Hawk IIRC, so looks like hydralic line bursting then fluid igniting as it meets the hot exhaust. No hydralics=good luck

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u/slb609 23d ago

My nephew makes those ejector seats for other planes, but it seems not those ones. Red Arrows being an example.

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u/Drunkgummybear1 23d ago

I wonder if I work with your nephew

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u/U-Ei 21d ago

JFC that guy did not need to put his face there in the corner

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u/zwifter11 23d ago

Engine fire

The pitch up was the pilot trying to keep a good attitude while the airspeed was dropping off and the wings were stalling.

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u/Imhonestlynotawierdo 23d ago

speculation at the moment, but the fire is in the left wing, that led to complete hydraulic failure. pilots are violently pitching up to induce a stall and punch out safely.

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u/BulldenChoppahYus 23d ago

Is the “pitch up” sharply move not to slow the plane down to allow for ejection? I assumed it was

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u/CombatMuffin 23d ago

Imagine the dread the pilot felt. That doesn't seem, at first glance, like a sparsely populated area 

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u/TellmSteveDave 20d ago

The pitch up is very likely a last attempt to trade altitude for airspeed. A higher altitude, lower airspeed ejection is more survivable - crews are taught to “zoom and boom.”

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u/Funlovingpotato 23d ago

That’s a Hawk T2 - the fast jet trainer for the RAF. It’s also Anglesey, where RAF Valley is located - fast jet training location.

This was likely a training mission with a trainer sat in the rear, which explains the sudden ejection. The pitching up may have been the attempt to gain a little more distance from the buildings before full loss of control.

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u/FlossCat 23d ago

It looked like it landed very goddamn close to the buildings to me

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u/xenreh 23d ago

From the other pictures I saw - it was VERY close. As mentioned in a previous comment, the tail landed next to someone’s caravan

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u/DatGums 23d ago

“Landed”

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u/dannyjohnson1973 23d ago

Uncontrolled descent into terrain

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u/Disgruntled_Welshman 22d ago

Yep, and all of wales is cleared to fly these missons not just Anglesey. Fun

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u/Nitpicky_AFO 22d ago

User name checks.

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u/Harpsichordist68 23d ago

I was waiting for this vid to show up on this sub - to recapture the plane after losing it from the frame, at a telephoto focal length, and then holding steady on the crash itself. Great work.

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u/cmonuspurz 23d ago

How can you hear the birds but not the explosion? Just wondering

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u/ImportantIron1492 23d ago

Birds close, plane far away 

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u/xenreh 23d ago

I was wondering that myself. I’m assume the audio is bugged or, due to the distance, the video cut off before you could hear it? I’m really not sure

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u/EEVVEERRYYOONNEE 23d ago edited 23d ago

You can hear it about 4 seconds after the impact but it's very subtle.

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u/froseva 23d ago

-We need to eject! -But the plane will crash into the school! -It doesn't matter...

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u/ThisIsYourMormont 23d ago

I dont know if you know how accurate this statement actually is.
I wont name the school that’s very near the crash site for safeguarding purposes. But this could’ve been much much worse

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u/Charlie3PO 23d ago

Unless you're qualified to fly that exact type of aircraft and are privy to the exact information the crew had, you can't judge them one bit

There's footage of the problem first emerging during the takeoff. The aircraft in the video is way up in the air, so they could have been managing the issue for some time already by that stage. For example if it was a hydraulic issue turning into a complete hydraulic failure then there's no recovering from that, they are just passengers at that point, so there's no point in staying in the aircraft anymore.

We don't actually know what happened, but in the moments before the ejection it does appear as if control was lost.

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u/Charlie3PO 23d ago

Again, you have exactly zero idea of what was going on in that cockpit. We know nothing about what warnings occured and when. How can you say they screwed up when you don't know what happened, why it happened or how the crew managed it beyond ejecting once control was lost?

Seriously, imagine yourself in their shoes for a moment. You've studied your arse off for years, passed a grueling recruitment process, you've performed well enough to be selected for fast jets.

You trained relentlessly for all sorts of sequences, including emergency procedures and were successful in that, you're now in the top 1% of pilots. Now you're an instructor teaching students how to do it, using that same knowledge every single day.

You then have a complex emergency, your jet goes out of control and you eject..... All for someone who has played a video game to then watch 10 seconds of footage and based on that alone, say "they screwed up, I could have done better"

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u/Charlie3PO 23d ago

For someone who isn't saying you could do better, there's an awful lot of judgement, assumptions and "they should have" comments.

You're assuming that they knew about it right away, but you can't know that, we don't know when they got their first indication of something abnormal or what it was. Maybe it was initially benign and they weren't expecting to need to eject.

Also, the pitch up into a stall looks uncommanded, I.e. a control malfunction, as evidenced by the fact they eject shortly after it occurs and the fact that it continues after ejection, when nobody is there to pull on the stick.

Again, I'm sure that a fast jet instructor and their student knows a bit more about it than you do, so stop making assumptions on what they did and what you think they should have done.

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u/pja 23d ago

The flashes around the fuselage suggest the engine was ripping itself apart & throwing turbine blades in all directions. If the hydraulics had been severed then the pilots would have had no flight control, in which case bailing out would have been the only option.

No point staying in an aircraft you can’t fly.

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u/ThisIsYourMormont 23d ago

Thank you for your opinion which I’m sure is based on hundreds of hours of flight experience.

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u/Cw3538cw 23d ago

It was on fire when it took off, per a video taken from a different angle. So the gap before bailing was quite a bit longer than that

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u/JackCooper_7274 22d ago

I am sure your opinion is backed by much expertise and flight time.

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u/sar_tr 23d ago

Ah yes, that plane looked fully in control. They should have just turned round and landed it. /s

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u/Dugoutcanoe1945 23d ago

I quit an airplane sub over this. The pilots were adamant that either punching out over a residential area or landing on a motorway with vehicles on it was perfectly acceptable. Innocent people getting killed before themselves was simply bad luck.

Of course there are exceptions and who knows what the outcome could have been otherwise here. But I know more what the attitude is for some pilots now when it comes to mitigating a crash and it’s not altruistic.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 9d ago

If there's nothing you can do to mitigate then why not eject? You can't control where it lands even if you ride it into the ground.

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u/Dugoutcanoe1945 9d ago

I was referring to ‘controlled’ landings like in a civilian aircraft into a roadway. I apologize if I was not clear.

I can’t think of an argument against ejecting from a military aircraft after the pilot has done all they can do and it’s out of their control. Thanks for allowing me to clarify!

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 9d ago

A big commercial carrier landing on a highway is an interesting thought experiment. There's a high likelihood of hitting and killing motorists on the road, but depending on the size of the plane and number of passengers you might save more lives on the plane than you take on the road. Real life trolley problem.

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u/Dugoutcanoe1945 9d ago

Point taken.

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u/Synth_Ham 23d ago

Apart means separate from. A part of means included in. English.

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u/jdogg40k 23d ago

Holy shit! I hope nobody got killed.

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u/xenreh 23d ago

No injuries have been reported, just someone opening their caravan door to find the jet’s tail next to it

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u/Relative-Tune85 23d ago

It's a welk known risk for caravans...

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u/sar_tr 23d ago

Those damn welks, always causing trouble.

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u/TwinSong 23d ago

That made me laugh, the image of someone opening their door when they heard a crash and find a bit of plane like "???"

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u/xenreh 23d ago

Hahaha I mean realistically what do you do in that situation

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u/TwinSong 23d ago

Call 999 I guess? Let them know there's a section of plane outside my caravan.

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u/Connect_Rhubarb395 22d ago

"I thought I heard something?"

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u/GoatCovfefe 23d ago

They just did it for the exclusive watch.

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u/LawyerCheesegrater 22d ago

Looks like a compressor stall ngl with all the flames on take off

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u/xpietoe42 23d ago

hopefully no one on the ground was hurt? Does anyone know? Looks like a populated area unfortunately…

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u/Exact_Scratch854 22d ago

No injuries reported.

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u/swim225 21d ago

Yeah the people in those houses got really fucking lucky

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u/Rifleman519 3d ago

Oh he had a slip and then totally redeemed himself!

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u/IndustrialPuppetTwo 23d ago

They ejected right over a town?

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u/JackCooper_7274 22d ago

When your plane suddenly stops working in the air, I imagine that you would not have a lot of control over the situation.

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u/GlassNegative7839 23d ago

Looks like they bailed quite early. Did they even attempt to guide the aircraft so it didn’t land on a house/school/hospital???

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u/not_right 23d ago

Wow we have a real air force pilot in here! What in your expert opinion are the tell tale signs that they bailed "quite early"? Or didn't even attempt to guide the aircraft?

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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo 23d ago edited 23d ago

I mean they can do a 00 ejection and it went fairly far off course after ejection. Obviously you can't exactly park it but there's plenty of concern about how close it was to buildings and schools. The quotes below are all from a single BBC article:

Eyewitness Ollie Zalot said he was initially concerned that people on the ground could have been hurt as the crash happened near buildings.


"I just saw smoke everywhere but it looked like it was next to a farm yard so I thought maybe it's a bonfire.


"I was just hoping everyone was okay. It looked close to buildings.

"That's what I was worried about."


Anglesey councillor Neville Evans said he thought it had been a "very lucky escape considering how close the crash was to a village and caravan park".


"It's very, very close to populations and amenities," he said.

As far as I can tell it landed less than 1km from an elementary school and the explosion was witnessed by children, by all accounts it went down right next to a caravan park.

I won't tell them how to do their job but I'd certainly have questions over whether more could have been done to keep it away from civilians. It seems more or less pure luck that it didn't hit a building.

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u/GlassNegative7839 23d ago

And you don’t need to be a pilot to see that, right? 😂😂

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u/Mace_Windu23 22d ago

Sus...why'd you shoot the plane down huh?