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u/Dereksmith3107 4d ago
You are the second person I have ever heard use the term "Pennsyltucky" and that impresses me
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u/reichrunner 4d ago
Its a fairly common term around the area
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u/Klytus_Im-Bored 4d ago
I use it to describe anything thats not Allegheny County, but also not Fayettenam
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u/Trash-Panda321 4d ago
For those unfamiliar, it kind of refers to the middle of the state in between Pittsburgh and Philly.
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u/IIRCIreadthat 4d ago
My family uses it a lot. My parents are both from there, and they and all their siblings were not particularly devastated to leave for the ends of the state.
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u/Ashkendor 4d ago
I only ever heard this term get used in central PA. It's right up there with 'yinz guys.' 😂
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u/WhiteRoseGC 3d ago
In Michigan there is a city named Taylor with a reputation of being redneck. Often referred to as Taylortucky
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u/WISE_bookwyrm 3d ago
Also applies to Ypsilanti/ Ypsitucky.
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u/porcelaincatstatue 18h ago
In Indiana there's a town called Kendallville. Folks call it Kendaltucky.
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u/DaveTheDolphin 4d ago
It’s Common if you’re from the area/the larger city areas of PA and South Jersey and probably some parts of Delaware
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u/TARDISkitty 2d ago
I know that Bedford County uses the term pretty damn frequently, crazy accurate tbh.
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u/AvanteHD 1d ago
If you were here, you'd understand.
If you are and you don't... welp.
You're probably Pennsyltuckian.
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u/princessdickworth 4d ago
Personally I'd just keep backing in. It's a boat ramp, not a baptismal font. There are a hundred other spots you could wade into and have your ceremony.
Do these people even understand how nasty water gets around boat ramps?!
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u/Wolfire0769 4d ago
The best holy water is a mix of marine fuel and outboard oil.
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u/princessdickworth 4d ago
Okay I just laughed hard enough to cause my dog to jump up and check if I'm alright
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
While I completely agree with the spirit of this rule, its language seems to be plainly unconstitutional.
The commonwealth may not require permits for religious activities.
The commonwealth may and, in my opinion, should regulate how, when, and in what numbers people get into PA’s lakes and rivers, especially if this activities prevents others from using boat ramps etc.
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u/SpaceCadetBoneSpurs 4d ago
So perhaps a better way of phrasing this would be: “public events using the waterway require a permit.”
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
This begs the questions whether baptism are public events, but something like that, sure.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 4d ago
Is there such a thing as private baptism? Like the exhibitionism always seems like a primary part of the ritual, that your friends and family and congregation witness the event.
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u/nethingelse 4d ago
The larger rule is that if you're using DNCR land for any gathering (examples from the state include: weddings, family gatherings, birthday parties, reunions, scout activities, etc.), you need a permit. Guessing a field employee here ran into too many churches not respecting this for baptism purposes, and made a sign that's over-stating the rule. Can't imagine state attorneys would want this sign around because it complicates things unnecessarily.
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u/AutomaticAccident 4d ago
What you're saying in the last part of your comment is the reason this would likely be constitutional. Though that also depends on how hard it is to get a permit.
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
No. The reason a government bans certain activities matters. It can’t ban activities just because they are religious. So this sign would almost certainly be unconstitutional, because not all ramp-hogging activities are banned equally, only using this space for baptisms is.
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u/AutomaticAccident 4d ago
What says they're banning the baptisms because they're religious? It doesn't say no baptisms. It just says that a permit is needed. I'm sure you need a permit for a lot of other activities that aren't baptisms.
Also, they can regulate religious activities if they have a good enough reason that doesn't have to do with religion AND the process of permitting is clear and not arbitrary.
Plus, this isn't the only instance of the government regulating baptisms in waterways. Other places require a baptism as well. Here's a local government's requirement in Wisconsin. These requirements are everywhere.
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
Again, language matters. The government can’t simply single out religious activities on signs such as this.
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u/AutomaticAccident 4d ago
Well, they can regulate baptisms with permits, as I said, so why shouldn't they be able to put up a sign that says that baptisms require a permit?
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u/random8765309 3d ago
No they can't specifically require permits for baptisms. There have been several challenges on this, and where the permit was only for religious activates, the permit has been struck down.
The National Park Service used to require a special-use permit for baptism, it was challenged and the Park Service lost.
The U.S. Supreme Court — Niemotko v. Maryland set the precedent that the government can not arbitrarily deny religious groups access to public facilities.
The Thomas v. Chicago Park District case established that permits to manage lands and spaces have to be content-neutral.
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
they can regulate baptisms with permits
Only until a religious organization sues.
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u/random8765309 3d ago
If they allow people to enter the water without a permit, requiring a permit for a specifically for a baptism would be plainly unconstitutional. They can regulate large groups, they can regulate if people can get in the water, they can regulate what you wear in the water. What they can't do is set specific rules just for using the water for religious reasons.
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 3d ago
This. So, at a minimum, the sign shown above is misleading by implying that permitting were only required for religious purposes.
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u/Wolfire0769 4d ago
I'm not sure if you're aware of the paradox you've presented. Quite impressive.
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
What exactly do you think is the paradox here?
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u/Wolfire0769 4d ago
If a religious activity prevents others from using boat ramps, is a permit required?
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u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 4d ago
That’s not a paradox. An activity impeding timely equal access to the general public (i.e., “hogging the boat ramp”) is some thing the commonwealth may regulate to ensure equal access, but not because of the religious nature of the activity.
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u/Salt-Resident7856 3d ago
Yes; same with Hindu Americans. They have a constitutional right to practice visarjan, which involves filling lakes and streams with lead-painted Ganesha idols.
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u/mrbobcyndaquil 4d ago
I'm in Ohio, and thankfully my church has a baptistry built in for immersion baptisms.
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u/Extension-Damage8597 4d ago
I got someone upset saying that on a c.b. once. My buddy and i were in two different vehicles. All I said was let's get out of Penciltucky. The guy snapped back something about kicking my backside. I told him meet me at the gas station and described a different car.
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u/Connect_Rhubarb395 2d ago
cb?
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u/Extension-Damage8597 2d ago
Okay. Citizen Band Radio. Popular in the 70's and still used by Truckers and off road 4x4's. Yes I still have a walkie talkie version. They help on long trips. They tell you about accidents, which lane is open and coming to a sudden stop. Oh and the cop thing.
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u/Connect_Rhubarb395 2d ago
I wouldn't have guessed that acronym 😅
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u/Extension-Damage8597 2d ago
Yeah but you knew what it was, just not by that name. An old friend told me radar detectors detect radar, not a cop. C.B. warns you of everything. That is so true.
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u/Connect_Rhubarb395 1d ago
No I didn't actually (I am not American).
It is what they use in the movie Convoy?1
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u/symphonic-ooze 3d ago
Hehe people call Council Bluffs (IA) Counciltucky. Maybe it's because it's across the Montessori River from Omaha, I dunno.
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u/Ronyx2021 4d ago
How do they feel about people laying their jacket on the waters edge and walking across on dry ground?
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u/PencilTucky 3d ago
I know exactly where this sign is. This is right in the heart of the Alabama portion of the state.
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u/Sethmanzel 2d ago
I am not Christian but I want to sue them for inhibiting the free practice of religion.
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u/Wurm42 4d ago edited 4d ago
Problems with local churches wanting to do total immersion baptisms in the river or the lake?
It can get ugly when they take over the boat ramp and act like they own it and nobody else can use it that morning.
Edit: It can also be a problem if multiple churches that use the same liturgical calendar all want to use the good open water baptism spot on the same Sunday. It tends to be whenever they do Matthew 3:13–17, about Jesus getting baptized by John the Baptist.