r/SipsTea • • Aug 22 '26

WTF Damn

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u/TheEndOfAllThings23 Aug 22 '26

Heart surgery. For privacy I don’t want to be more specific. It was necessary but not emergency.

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u/Imreallythatguy Aug 22 '26

So insurance wouldn’t cover it because it wasn’t necessary in their eyes?

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u/Realistic_Slide_3426 Aug 22 '26

Sounds like insurance would’ve paid 80%, pretty standard after deductible 

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u/kodman7 Aug 22 '26

Standard almost exclusively in the US which has higher waits and worse outcomes

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u/ImaManCheetahh Aug 22 '26

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u/DeviantlyPronto Aug 22 '26

Yeah the US is still on the lower end of waiting times as of 2023.

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u/d1squiet Aug 22 '26

Seems in the middle for GPs and near the top for meetings with specialists. Canada is waaay back there.

It's outcomes that matter though, not wait times. I think people in the USA avoid seeking medical care more than in other countries because of the expense. That and other reasons lead to worse outcomes in USA vs most/all of the developed world.

EDIT: Oh I realize you agree with me. Sorry I was confused by "lower end of wait times", thinking you meant "lower ranking".

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u/motorwerkx Aug 22 '26

This is from your link "A common misconception in the U.S. is that countries with universal health care have much longer wait times. However, data from nations with universal coverage, coupled with historical data from coverage expansion in the United States, show that patients in other nations often have similar or shorter wait times."

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u/ImaManCheetahh Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

read beyond one sentence and look at the data itself, and of the countries evaluated the US is near the bottom for wait time length for all the metrics evaluated. Certainly not on the higher end of any list.

So a broad claim of the US having generally "higher wait times" is incorrect , no? I mean hell, % waiting over a month for a specialist was 27% for the US and up to 61% in Norway and Canada.

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u/LycheeRoutine3959 Aug 22 '26

Stop bringing to those facts to this feelings discussion. Dont you know what sub your in?

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u/kodman7 Aug 22 '26

That link doesn't say what health plan they are using for US outcomes. The US has the best Healthcare in the world for those who can afford it

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u/ImaManCheetahh Aug 22 '26

correct... it's not about affordability, it's about wait times. which is what I'm talking about.

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u/kodman7 Aug 22 '26

Right what I'm saying is the data provided has no indication where it's coming from

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u/ImaManCheetahh Aug 22 '26

You’re welcome to read the full report

https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/waiting-times-for-health-services_242e3c8c-en/full-report/component-2.html#execsumm-d1e61

No they did not selectively pull data from only the richest Americans. That would be a pointless exercise.

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u/kodman7 Aug 22 '26

Did you read it? There is absolutely no info on what kinds of health plans made up the indicated data

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u/ImaManCheetahh Aug 22 '26

If 2 million people in the US go the ER in a month and the median wait time is 20 minutes, then that’s the number. Listing out the insurance plans that each of those 2 million people had doesn’t change that number, especially in the context of the ER where they are require to treat you whether you have insurance or not.

And if 30k people get heart surgery, the median wait time for those surgeries doesn’t change if you list out which insurance plan each of those people had. Might it be more expensive than in other countries? Very likely, but the point is if you do get a heart surgery in the US, with the costs associated with that, how long will you be waiting for it? Again, listing out 30,000 line items with the insurance plan of each person that got a heart surgery, which is what you seem to want, doesn’t change that number.

My wife is an OB/GYN in the states and she had a patient that spent a good chunk of her savings to fly to the US from Canada because she was having severe chronic pain and no one would see her for multiple months and she was that desperate. Is that one anecdote? Sure. But the idea that relative wait times are some manufactured problem because the data is being manipulated because you have some bizarre bar of what constitures a rigorous study report, I don’t buy it.

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