While mostly true, this isn't unique behavior to industries like the news.
It's a symptom of our consumeristic society, the smaller news outlets with integrity or dedication to actual news don't get the outreach or influence these bigger sensationalist news stations do, which they then spend that money on making themselves more accessible, which in turn makes finding and consuming real news outlets harder to do.
In the end, like most of our industries, the ones truly dedicated to their craft and not the almighty dollar get outshadowed or even bought out by the soulless huge corporations that only seek to increase their margins.
Media today is based on engagement. Mostly whether or not people share a particular piece of media.
Turns out, the best way to get people to share something is if it generates a big emotional response. And the best emotion to generate a response is anger.
So the media ecosystem is one giant filter, that makes whoever is willing to run the story that will make people angriest the most successful. And what makes people angry? Horrible people doing horrible things. Which means media becomes run completely by assholes, about assholes, to make the general public angry to share the story.
The best thing is you can frame the same story differently to make different people mad. Women's media frame the husband as the evil mastermind who manipulated his wife into murdering the children and committing suicide. Men's media frame the wife as evil.
I don't think it's just the media. Murderers always made the headlines, you can probably find multiple similar cases through out the years in the media. I think, what made it blow up is the wide public support for the murderer in the social media. So I blame Twitter, Tik Tok and the rest.
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Social media is literally peddling the misinformation that Patrick Clancy was the one that killed the kids and that he’s framing Lindsey. That’s my point.
The news media is stating the facts that Lindsey killed them. The issue is social media saying the opposite
It’s 100% this. So much terrible stuff happens everyday and that’s what sells. A parent doing what a parent should do just doesn’t hit the news cycle on a busy news day.
It's also because influencers are playing up the untrue conspiracy theories (the defense admits she killed her kids) that her husband did it because he remarried. The influencers have made this story go viral, and that's why it has gotten so much attention.
This is also exactly what attorneys are supposed to do in these cases. Put together a narrative of facts in a way that is tangible at least to part of the population. Mission accomplished.
Yeah idk why everyone is acting like this dude is a superhero. He seems kind of like an asshole trying to slander every medical professional who worked with this woman. I doubt some of these people are going to be able to continue working after this
Speaking from the perspective of someone who works in the medical field:
The providers were extraordinarily negligent in their lack of coordination of care and anyone who prescribes a Benzo on top of Ambien on top of Trazodone has no business practicing medicine.
Can confirm, I was in a big case that was the State V (insert name), and the lady defending the piece of shit that touched me as a kid was almost as big of a piece of shit as the guy she was defending
It’s not even necessary the media. At the end of the day, the media is chasing trends and stories, but those stories that people themselves are already discussing or have interest in.
Like yes, the media can bury stories or ignore them, but they want to cover stuff people want to see.
This feeds into the concept of viral content. Never before in history have we really been able to share so much content with each other without it first being shared by the media. In many ways, the media is more reactive than ever.
The left side: Emma Schols. In September 2019, swedish mother of six Emma Schols saved all six of her children from a massive house fire, repeatedly rushing back into the burning building
The right side: Lindsay Clancy. In January 2023, Lindsay Clancy, a nurse from Massachusetts, was charged with strangling her three young children using exercise bands
If you listen to the testimony this is bang on. She sought out so much help, but was not 100% honest with them. The doctors on the stand clearly cared about her and tried to help!
Thank you for this. So many people are quick to blame her medical teams, but she was seeking out psychiatric care from multiple different professionals - confounding the medical management with different plans and polypharmacy - and she was not completely honest with these professionals.
Psychiatry is a heavily patient history-based specialty, and these specialists have to go off of the information they’re given. If patients conceal information, especially regarding the severity of their illness, there isn’t much more they can do.
If she at any point had disclosed HI towards her children to a medical professional, this almost certainly would have gone much differently, but she chose to deny it to them up until the point that she followed through on the thoughts she denied having.
Yeah having listened to breakdowns of the testimony, at this point, it seems to me that she was lying through her teeth to her medical care team about her level of thoughts of harming herself and/or her thoughts of harming others. Maybe also about not hearing voices. And I'm not hugely shocked, because I feel like I routinely see parents on Reddit saying that they're terrified of someone taking their kid away. Nobody wants to ADMIT they had to leave their screaming infant alone in a room because they were afraid they might shake them, much less more worrying thoughts. Goodness knows I had to give the newborn to my husband and walk away quite a few times at 3am. I couldn't help but wonder if that's why she did so little talk therapy, despite it being repeatedly recommended by multiple providers.
I unfortunately have a lot of experience with mental illness and in fact psychosis with a sibling of mine. His psychiatrists have told me the same, they can only go based on what they are given. Unlike a broken bone, no amount of diagnostic imagining can ever capture the human mind and what it says to itself. It’s very hard medicine to practice.
As Dr House points out all the time: Everyone lies to their doctor.
She isn’t some special case. She went nuts and killed her kids. Her behavior after the fact is not what I would expect from a grieving person. She’s trying to get away with it. I’m sick of her excuses. She isn’t just lying to her doctors, she’s lying to everyone to get away with triple filicide.
Didn't her husband bring her to one of the best mental health hospitals in the country and then she lied and withheld how bad her mental health was deteriorating. This is were I personally lost all sympathy her, she new she wasn't well and had plenty of opportunities to seek help but didn't and now three kids are dead. Fuck that!
Yea, and while I get that it's hard to correctly assess your own mental health problems and convey that to someone else WHILE you're mentally ill, it does not in any way excuse you or make you a victim WHEN YOU HURT SOMEONE ELSE OR KILL THEM.
I’m an Iraq war veteran with some quite severe trauma for it. I am not physically abusive or anything nearly this extreme as a result — but I am still constantly reminded it’s not an excuse for being unpleasant in any way.
This lady gets a pass for a triple murder because of mental health?
Even if you want to argue that psychosis is a whole other thing — sure — but name another person who committed a mass murder under psychosis and was granted any kind of empathy or forgiveness.
The dude who shot Gabby Giffords was delusional and no one is holding a candle vigil for him.
Unfortunately many people get their news via social media and believe everything they see. I’ve seen countless people I know claim that her husband killed the kids and framed her. It’s all social media conspiracies running rampant and people donate because they believe this shit. I’ve seen people arguing over this non stop for weeks and it’s just comical.
Yeah dude but he like didn't cry while he was on the stand. So like, lets all claim this dude who had to suffer the murder of his 3 kids, was actually the one who did it. Great job tiktok!
There's a women further down the comments has just said she believes the husband should be investigated further because he was 'shifty' while on the stand... the mental gymnastics of some people is actually insane🤯
She was very well off. Had a nanny and lots of access to healthcare. She abused her access to healthcare if anything getting lots of prescriptions from multiple doctors.
You are confusing go fund me's , the dad had one but didn't use the money on it for the funeral instead he donated to an association to help women with this kind of problems, this go fund me you see with millions are another one that is set up to give the money to the mother's parents.
So two different gfm's and neither was used for funerals at the end.
Wtf? What do her parents have to do with anything? These things dont correlate. Why should her parents randomly get 1m, just because she killed her kids?
Why are you asking me? I am not the one that made the go fund me...I am just saying what the go fund me that people are talking about and is in the picture says.
From what I looked up it's also because of gfm rules, you can't have a page where the benefactor is acused or involved in violent crimes, so instead of putting the mother the people that created that page put the parents of the mother and said that is to help pay their traveling and such during the daughter trial. Which is also crazy because no amount of travel will cost 2 millions...
They’ve created one for her since the trial. It says for her parents and that side of the family cause I don’t think they are allowed to say it’s for her for some reasons with go fund me. But yeah here’s the second one.
Yeah the entire description of the fundraiser is basically an attempt to get around GoFundMe's rules about fundraising for violent crimes.
GoFundMe strictly prohibits raising money for the legal defense of anyone formally charged with a violent or financial crime. Under the platform's Terms of Service, campaigns cannot be used to fund legal representation, court fees, or associated costs for individuals accused of serious wrongdoing.
And yet the image they use on the fundraiser is literally a circle of women supporting the murderer, painting the woman as a victim.
All of the comments for the GoFundMe are about supporting Lindsay.
That situation is it's own can of worms because somehow both of these cases have grown a very weird, and frankly disturbing, following. Like wasn't the lastest for the case your referencing looking to attempt a retrial and evidence that the first judge thought was irrelevant, because it makes the situation so much worse for everyone involved, is now being used?
"The fundraiser states they have spent years drawing down savings to cover travel, lodging and other expenses connected to attending court hearings and supporting Clancy.
"It is simply an opportunity to help two parents who have spent more than three years carrying a financial burden on top of an emotional one most of us cannot begin to imagine," the GoFundMe page reads. "At some point, the court proceedings will end. Mike and Paula will still have a life to return to. There will still be bills, a home, lost savings, and years of putting their own lives on hold while they stood beside their daughter."
Lindsay Clancy has never claimed anything or commented about the gofundme and she's not the one who created it. Her parents created it and the money is going to them technically. Although anyone who donated is an absolute idiot.
People in this comment section saying “the media the media the media” but it’s everyday people on TikTok who are crafting the conspiracies and donating the money. It’s definitely partly the media’s fault for amplifying this narrative, but it wasn’t them who started it. Hold crazy people accountable for being crazy please.
There is a prevalent wave of misandry that people are ignoring for some reason and this case is a prime example. When the main argument on social media is "Husband did it" then you have to look into what the fuck is going on out there, because that ain't right. We need to talk about the misandry on certain platforms that is perpetuated by regular people.
Yeah and it keeps getting worse. Women and feminism in general lose nothing by not demonising men. It's become almost cool to just shit on men for everything. We all recognise the boomer humour trope 'my wife's a ball and chain huehuehue I hate marriage' to be toxic, so why is this okay?
Right, and each and every one of us has a brain. I don’t care what the media says, I still have the power to think for myself. TikTok is taking advantage of the addiction of conspiracy theories and brain rot as a life distraction.
the fire lady may only have 42k, but she also has all of her children because of her heroic efforts. I'd say she wins tbh.
Edit: Thanks for the awards!
Yeah she doesn’t need to be rewarded for her instincts but damn she’ll need surgery and pain therapy for a long time. This woman should have gotten 1 million for her pain and suffering.
Women on TwoXChromosomes are reporting being tested by their boyfriends on their opinions about Lindsey, and them breaking up if they have the wrong opinions.
Two years those same people were testing their boyfriends’s opinions on “who would you pick between a bear and a man.”
It’s going to take everybody, and not just Other People™️ to show empathy to people we disagree with. If you think I’m an incel for thinking some stigmatizations are not ok because they target the right people, or this is just whataboutism, then enjoy your gender war I guess, because it’s not going anywhere for a looooong time.
and them breaking up if they have the wrong opinions.
In that story, it's the OP that broke up with her BF because he was uncomfortable with her answer.
That being said, that OP's post history is full of massive contradictions, like her being a tradwife but then dating another guy she's going to marry but then after that she's only ever been with the original guy and is worried God wants her to never be with another man again and she will be forever alone, but then she's actively trying for a baby with the current guy in that order. On top of that, she gives six or seven different reasons that she broke up with her seemingly current boyfriend, including a few of them because of his noncommittal answers about Trump, Musk, and making a tasteless joke about autism, so it doesn't really support her pearl-clutching about him supposedly being such a chauvinist pig for saying she breaks up with him whenever she doesn't like his vibes. And she posts each of these stories across like eight or so subs.
Honestly, I think she's a bored student writing stories for engagement, and doesn't keep track of her plot points. Exploiting the Clancy case for engagement was just one of her more particularly ghoulish topic selections.
Do I think Clancy deserved better mental health care? Sure. The system has always been far less providing than it needs to be. And that goes for all mental healthcare.
Do I still think she needs to be in prison or an asylum for the rest of her life? Absolutely.
Yeah we can say the same sort of things about mass shooters. There were often many concerning signs, there are mental health “reasons” that they did what they did, it doesn’t mean they’re the victim or that they should be given a bunch of money or have hoards of people standing outside their trials holding up hearts in support of them
I don't get the culture of donating money to individuals, especially when the full story of things aren't yet known (not just talking about this specific case but any). Why don't people donate to organisations who can help many people instead? It gets rediculous when someone gets made a millionaire when all they have asked for are funeral costs to be covered, I think the money should be shared around with other people who need assistance, which is where donating to organisations is better. They can also filter out who really does need help and who is just grifting.
Surely in this case supporters are better off donating to a mental health charity?
Mental health is important, but that doesn't absolve you of what you've done. She deserves to be in a prison mental ward, not at home living like nothing happened. She is a danger to herself and others.
I'm honestly so sick and tired of people pretending there won't be consequences because of insanity plea. She isn't going be going on mental health spa retreat. She'll be among other crazies who crash out due to voices in their head.
Also aren't state forced mental institution generally considered worse then prison? You loose all your freedom like in prison, but you also are surrounded by people who's mental health is so bad the legal system had to get involved. The stories I've read made these institutions sound like a nightmare
Not really worse in that sense. You're surrounded by violent assholes in prison, many who will never see freedom again and thus are not influenced by punishment anymore.
The big issue with psych ward is that you have no concept of how long your stay will be. They are instructed to keep you until you're no longer a danger. That could never happen. And there's no parole system either. So a short prison stay could be life in psych. But if you're looking at life anyway, the differences aren't as major.
IF the courts and the medical professionals conclude that they are no longer a threat to society than its usually court supervised release. Parole for life. As far as I know this rarely happens.
The last public PPP trial, Andrea Yates, she could technically have gone free for a decade already or something, and she just doesn't want to be released.
Like: no matter what punishment we give as a society, there's nothing worse then having the memories of you killing your own kids.
not sure why you were downvoted when its true. the ending is either going to be she is in prison, or she is in a psychiatric hospital. its not deciding if she did it or not, its deciding where she goes BECAUSE she did it. she will never just live at home. these people are doing the same thing the supporters are, just blabbing without any research
Right!! I've been watching the trial every day streaming the whole thing while I work and when I hop on social it's like a shock what's actually making the rounds about this case.
Her brain is literally broken. You can't ask a person with a broken leg to run and you can't ask someone with psychosis to act rationally. I agree she needs to be off the streets and highly supervised, but I don't think people who use the "mental health matters, but..." argument fully comprehend just how all-encompassing psychotic thoughts can be.
No one is saying she should go home. Even she is not saying she should be set free. Not guilty by insanity is not the same as not guilty, not guilty by insanity is admitting she did it and they put her in a mental facility. It’s frankly insane that people don’t understand that. Her supporters, other then a very small minority, think she belongs in a mental institution not prison and certainly not free.
100%. Do I think the system failed her? Absolutely, and I think it’s important to shine a light on that, postpartum depression, and her own mental health struggle. Does that mean she shouldn’t go to a facility? Absolutely not.
I might be generalising but in general GoFundMes aren’t that massive in Europe either… because we have public healthcare and insurance that is affordable.
I could see the same ordeal bankrupting someone in America.
That's a good comparison. Crazy women wanting Clancy to walk free after murdering three kids and crazy men doing pushups outside of Andrew Tate's jail as he awaits extradition for human trafficking.
It's wild that it's happening simultaneously. I sometimes wonder how the OJ trial would have played out in the public sphere had it happened today instead of in the mid-90s. Social media fucked our brains.
Does she claim shes a victim? I thought she admits full guilt and its those other online supporting women saying shes victim and its husbands fault...?
Two things can be true at the same time. You can be disgusted at what she did and still accept that mental health care is substandard and people do unspeakable things because of it. I don’t think the majority of people are ‘supporting’ her as much as trying to get people to accept the complexity and nuance.
Yeah, a lot of us have witnessed the failings of our mental health care system in this country first hand. It’s a horrific situation that could have been prevented.
I suspect there will be a lot of dads out there that are currently in a custody fight present the courts with evidence their BM supports someone murdering their kids.
She created a time window by sending her husband away.So she knew what she was doing enough to know that she had to send her husband away to get away with it.
She deserves either life in a cell or the chair.
Psychosis or not, she's a child murderer and too dangerous to be on the streets.
Also the lady who called an autistic child a racial slur (you know the one) and then later defended her actions because she "called the kid out for what he was".
This situation genuinely makes me sad, i am not saying women do not suffer, but declaring that woman did nothing wrong and should go free is a bit problematic. She murdered her own kids, if not in jail she should at least spend sometime getting her mental health checked
No doubt post-partum depression is a thing and she wouldn't be the first person to kill their sons of that, but there is a big leap between "this is a real mental problem" and asking to be released. By that extend anyone with a severe depression shouldn't be liable, or anyone with a seve autism, people with two personallities, etc.
Aknowledge the problem and put her in a mental institution where she should be helped... and serve a sentence that considers all the circumstances.
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Media attention playing a big roll. I've never heard of the fire lady.